A Guide to CBD, Cannabis, & Mushrooms With The Rebel’s Apothecary


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Katie: Hello, and welcome to the “Valence Mama Podcast.” “I’m from KatieWellensmaama.com and Wellensy.com. That’s fine with e. And in this episode, I have touched on two topics on which I have growing questions, including the health-related uses of CBD and medicinal mushrooms, which are different from pure or cyclic mushrooms and in overall health. Their place, and also more deadly things like cancer treatment and others. I’m here with Jenny Sensusi, author of “The Rebel Apocalypse: Healing Magic’s Cannabis, CBD, and Mushroom’s Practical Guide” These are all topics that are becoming increasingly popular in research and mainstream consciousness, and I thought it would be important to talk about them today. Jenny is a certified health coach and the creator of the Healthy Crush blog, where she has been writing since 2008. She is also a graduate of the Institute for Integrative Nutrition in New York City and is training in practical medicine. And we talk deeply about this incident in this episode, how she got into it for the first time and how she is using this amazing substance in her daily life, and the extremely serious health crisis. To help her father. I think you will really enjoy this event.

So without further ado, let’s jump. Jenny, welcome to the podcast. Thanks for coming here

Jenny: Thank you so much for keeping me. I’ve been a fan of your site for so many years, so it’s great to connect with you.

Katie: I’m excited for our conversation because you’ve written about a couple of topics that I think are still increasingly important, and to hit mainstream consciousness as much as possible. And I loved your book, The Rebels Apothecary. To begin with, I always like to hear people’s stories, especially when someone has such a deep knowledge of a particular topic. So to get started, why did you write this book in the first place?

Jenny: Well, it was really unexpected. I had no plans to write this book. I definitely like these topics. There was no keen interest, moreover, in taking a mild interest in medicinal mushrooms, simply because I have been interested in nutrition and fitness for so many years. I, as you know, was trained as a health coach in 2010 by the Institute for Integrative Nutrition. And I’ve been blogging about wellness and nutrition for many years. And I’m always interested in that, you know, what’s on the horizon, who’s using new foods and herbs and things, you know that as an alternative treatment? So I was familiar with medicinal mushrooms and I was starting to get very lightly aware of CBD because it was like entering the scene. But I did not dive deep into these topics.

And that all changed for me in 2017. So this is the end of 2017. And again, this is exactly what happened when whispers about CBD started and people were saying, “What is this? What’s going on with CBD? But nothing big. And my Dad was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer, and it was around Thanksgiving, the day before Thanksgiving, actually, in 2017. And at the moment, I mean, I was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer at the time. I didn’t know anything about it, but as soon as I did my first Google search for pancreatic cancer, it was disappointing. What I found was not good news. And I’m sure anyone could be related to it; I mean. That no cancer is ever good news, of course, but stage 4 pancreatic cancer, in particular, you know, is an aggressive and very difficult task to treat and usually does not yield many positive results. So it was a big shock and a big shock; it was just a life-changing moment for me and my family.

And so far, I’ve taken care of most of the good ness that made me feel better and, you know, disease and illness prevention, have energy and get a good night’s sleep. And I’ve always cared for myself like that, you know, feels more and helps other people feel more. But it became very serious, very fast. So it was the first time in my journey with health and fitness that I felt like, “Well, I need to do something. And it’s like life or death. And so, yes, when the initial shocks. When he was first diagnosed after walking like us, I realized I needed to do some research.

By no means do I want to convey that I recommend for the mother to be inactive. I knew he was going through a traditional cancer hospital for chemotherapy. This is exactly what he wanted to do. So became my character, well, how can I help them through it? And how can I find the best things that will not only keep the immune system strong during chemotherapy, as most people know, chemo can really weaken people’s immune systems. And I wanted to make her feel good during this process and help her avoid cancer. I mean, I’m not a doctor. And even, a few years later, I’m not claiming that we’re helping her specifically with cancer, and I can’t claim that. So that being said, I want to see if there is anything that can possibly help.

And I, you know, was familiar with functional medicine doctors and nutritionists and people I can ask. And I started asking around, I started making phone calls. I started doing my own research and the medicinal mushrooms came from almost everybody I talked to. And that’s not surprising to me because I knew that medicinal mushrooms are helpful for the immune system. So I realized, “Well, the medicine mushroom is probably something I’m going to find out about.”

Part of his CBD and hemp came from a friend of mine. He said, “You know what? Find CBD and cannabis and cancer, and just look for what you get. And so I took this tip and I ran with it and I found information about cannabis. And again, this is not a title I have ever really looked at, but I have used these stories of people, not just people, to eliminate the side effects of these chemotherapy treatments. But, you know, there are some preliminary studies that are being done. And, you know, of course, because of the legal status of cannabis, there has been no clinical trial on it yet, but there has been; scientists and researchers are also working, you know, cannabis and THC and Studying CBD. And their effects on cancer cells. And there have been people who have been focusing on it, so it was promising.

And so we saw a documentary about cannabis and cancer patients, and so did my father. And I started it on CBD Oil. And we made it a plan like that, and cannabis and mushrooms ended up being the two things I focused on the most as far as I’m trying to help her through the process. And a few years later; so now he’s been in his treatment for more than two and a half years and he’s stable and really feeling great. Its scans are stable. He has been away from chemo for the last four months now because he is doing so well. And his blood work is normal. And by no means do I want to convey that I recommend for the mother to be inactive. This type of cancer is very difficult to treat, not impossible but difficult.

So the fact that it is stable and inactive and you know that the activity in the tumor is really, really good news for this type of cancer. And the best thing about him is that he’s just completely surprised. In the first month or two, he had side effects from chemo. And then as soon as we brought him under the rule of cannabis and mushrooms, he didn’t have any nausea. She has a good appetite. It has energy. He sleeps really well. So all the things that people complain about when they, you know, go through chemotherapy, he has managed to avoid almost all of it. And that’s largely because, in our opinion, the hemp and mushroom rule we have.

And once we started doing that and saw some positive results, I started writing about it on my blog. And not only was I starting to learn about cannabis and mushrooms for my dad, but I started using them for myself, you know, different things like sleep and anxiety and my immune system then I started to feel good. Began to happen. And so, as I was blogging about it and sharing it with people, because what I really wanted was for people with googling pancreatic cancer, Like I did, I wanted them to find something positive because when I couldn’t find anything positive. First seen And I thought maybe someone, you know, got this diagnosis, stumbled upon it and said, “Okay, hopefully. And there’s something I can do. “And I’m sure you, you know, you belong to it. Just having something at home that you can try to make as empowering as possible, especially if you encounter something where You know, you feel frustrated or you feel like “I can’t do anything, you know, help me.”

If you have an idea, you will know that something like; home remedies, it is very powerful. So I really wanted to give people just one starting point. and of course. I think everyone should talk to their doctors before doing anything. But I really wanted to give people something to look for and something that really helped our personal story. So that was his background.

And then when I started blogging about it, a book agent contacted me and asked if I was ready to write a book about it. And I didn’t plan it. And I, you know, I didn’t say, “Well, that’s the story that’s happening to me. I’m going to start writing a book. He asked me, ‘Will you write this book?’ “And I said, ‘How can I say that to anyone?’ You know, if all these caregivers are there, or you know, people who are interested in or struggling, And I have some information that might be helpful, so I’d like to be able to just hand people a book, all in one place, so here’s a summary of how it all started.

Katie: I think there are many ways in which we can delve deeper into the features of the protocol and the benefits of different types of mushrooms. But just to highlight what I think is really important, you said, isn’t it that you were trying to use them as an alternative to traditional cancer treatments? You weren’t; like your father chose not to chemo. These are things that can be used in harmony. And I think that’s really important because I think that sometimes, you know, traditional medicine and alternative medicine get in trouble and they don’t need it because they really work better together. can.

And I’ve read a lot about how many people suffer from far more side effects and chemo complications than cancer. And that’s where a lot of the pain comes from. So I think if we can alleviate some of these symptoms, we can help the patient feel better and help the results. And it’s a win-win, even within the traditional model. And I first stumbled upon this idea while researching fasting, which was a big part of my own recovery from Hashmoto. It’s not something I recommend to the board because I think maybe it’s because you answer questions about them, you know. I think health is a very personal aspect and these things should be done. Do your research and work with professionals. But I think there are a number of alternative things we can do that can really make other cancer treatments more effective and keep people much more comfortable, as you said.

So I want to go a little deeper and find out in the realm of medicinal mushrooms, can you explain that first? Because I think people have different definitions of mushrooms, depending on where they come from. And then talk about some of the different things that you guys have tried and tested.

Jenny: First of all, I want to say that I totally agree with what you have said about traditional medicine and alternative medicine, and that’s really what we’ve experienced throughout this process. And one thing I just want to note is that medicinal mushrooms and hemp, in different ways, have been shown to work in harmony with some chemotherapy drugs, as you have said, so that all The results can be improved and made across the board. I mean, it’s going to be very different, with every person, with every chemo and with every one, you know, the herb or supplement you try, but they can work in harmony. And my dad has gone through 50 cycles of a very strong chemotherapy drug. And her doctor said that most people can go through 8 to 10 cycles just before the break is needed because their immune systems are so weak and inexperienced. So I think it’s because of the medicinal mushrooms.

But just for that definition, it’s definitely a misunderstanding when people start talking about medicinal mushrooms, they think I’m talking about cycladic mushrooms or magic mushrooms. Am And, you know, when I start talking about these things, it’s like, “Okay, shall I take this? Like, you talk about putting mushroom powder in your coffee.” کر رہے ہیں۔ کیا اس سے مجھے دورے پر جانا پڑتا ہے؟ اور ایسا نہیں ہے۔ میں کتاب میں سائکلیڈک مشروم کے بارے میں تھوڑی تھوڑی بات کرتا ہوں کیوں کہ ابھی ان کے ساتھ واقعی بہت دلچسپ تحقیق چل رہی ہے۔ لیکن جن اہم دواؤں کے مشروموں کی ہم نے کوشش کی ہے وہ بنیادی طور پر مشروم کی ایک کلاس ہے جو بٹن مشروم نہیں ہے جسے آپ گروسری اسٹور پر دیکھتے ہیں اور یہ سائیکیڈیلیک مشروم نہیں ہے۔ لیکن یہ مشروم کی یہ دوسری کلاس ہے جس میں دواؤں کی خصوصیات ہیں اور کچھ کھانے کے قابل ہیں اور کچھ آپ کو پاؤڈر یا ٹینچر لگانے کی ضرورت ہے ، لیکن کچھ آپ اس کے ساتھ کھانا بنا سکتے ہیں۔

اور سات مختلف مشروم ہیں جن پر میں کتاب پر توجہ مرکوز کرتا ہوں اور وہ سب ، بورڈ کے اس پار ، ایسی خصوصیات رکھتے ہیں جو مدافعتی نظام کی تائید کرسکتے ہیں۔ لہذا ضروری نہیں ہے کہ قوت مدافعت پیدا کرنے والے ، بلکہ مدافعتی توازن ، مدافعتی ماڈیولنگ کی طرح آپ کے مدافعتی نظام کی مدد کرنے کے لئے جب اسے فعال رہنے کی ضرورت ہوتی ہے اور آپ کو معلوم ہوتا ہے کہ جب اس کو کم فعال ہونے کی ضرورت ہوتی ہے تو کم فعال ہوتا ہے۔ لہذا وہ اس طرح کے اڈاپٹوجنز ہیں ، آپ جانتے ہیں ، اس قوت مدافعتی نظام کے لئے کہ وہ آپ کی ضرورت کے مطابق ڈھال لیتے ہیں۔ اور مدافعتی نظام کے سامان کے علاوہ ، ہر ایک مشروم کے اپنے فوائد ہیں۔ لہذا پورے بورڈ میں ، مدافعتی نظام کے ل all سب اچھا ہے اور پھر ان میں سے ہر ایک کو اپنی اپنی خصوصی طاقتیں حاصل ہیں۔

چنانچہ سات دواؤں کے مشروم جن پر ہم اپنے والد کے ساتھ ہونے والے سلوک پر توجہ مرکوز کررہے ہیں اور اس بارے میں میں نے کتاب میں لکھا ہے چاگا ، ریشی ، ترکی کی دم ، شیٹیک ، مائٹیک ، کورڈی سیپس اور شیر کے مانے۔ میں نے ابھی میموری سے یہ کیا۔ میں ایک فہرست کی طرف بھی نہیں دیکھ رہا ہوں۔ مجھے پسند ہے ، “براہ کرم ، براہ کرم ان سب کو حاصل کرلیں۔” لیکن ہاں ، وہ سات ہیں جن پر ہم نے توجہ مرکوز کی۔

کیٹی: گوٹا ٹھیک ہے. تو ذرا گہرا ہوجائیں۔ مجھے یہ جاننا پسند ہے کہ آپ ان کا استعمال کس طرح کرتے ہیں اگر وہ ہر طرح کے مرکب میں تھے یا اگر آپ نے مختلف اثرات کے ل specific مخصوص افراد کا استعمال کیا ہے۔ میں جانتا ہوں کہ یہاں ایک عمدہ دستاویزی فلم موجود ہے جس کا نام ہے “تصوراتی ، بہترین فنگی”۔ اور دستاویزی گفتگو میں شامل لوگوں میں سے ایک جو اس کی ماں کے ساتھ تھا ، مجھے یقین ہے کہ یہ مرحلہ 4 چھاتی کا کینسر تھا اور اس نے ترکی کی دم کو بہت بڑی مقدار میں استعمال کیا تھا اور وہ استثنیٰ حاصل کرنے اور اس سے آگے کئی سال زندہ رہنے کے قابل تھا۔ اور میں فور سگ سگٹک ، جو مشروم پر مبنی کمپنی ہے ، کے ٹیرو کے ساتھ واقعی اچھے دوست ہونے سے جانتا ہوں ، کہ ان میں سے بہت سے حیرت انگیز فوائد ہیں۔ اور میں روزانہ عام طور پر کم از کم ریشی اور چاگا اور کارڈی سیپس اور شیر کے مانے کا استعمال کرتا ہوں۔ لیکن مجھے یہ سن کر خوشی ہوگی کہ آپ نے مختلف چیزوں کو کس طرح استعمال کیا۔ اور یہ بھی اسی لائن کے ساتھ ، اگر یہ سب کچھ آپ نے اپنے والد سے سیکھا تھا ، تو اب آپ اپنے روز مرہ کے معمولات میں مختلف اوقات میں ان کو کس طرح شامل کرتے ہیں۔

جینی: ہاں۔ تو حقیقت میں ، سب سے پہلے ، ”تصوراتی ، بہترین فنگی“ ایک حیرت انگیز فلم ہے۔ میں نے ابھی اسے دو بار دیکھا ہے اور میں نے اپنے والدین کو حال ہی میں اسے دیکھنے کی ضرورت کی ہے اور انہیں بھی اس سے محبت تھی۔ یہ ان کے ساتھ صرف اتنا خوبصورت ہے ، وہ بصری کہ وہ استعمال کرتے ہیں۔ لیکن ہاں ، پال اسٹیمٹس۔ یہ وہ لڑکا ہے جس کی ماں کو چھاتی کا کینسر تھا اور اس نے ترکی کی دم استعمال کی تھی۔ اور یہ ایک بہت بڑی چیز تھی جس نے مجھے ترکی ٹیل ٹرین پر چڑھایا ، میرا خیال ہے۔ لیکن ترکی کی دم اور شیٹکے وہ دو تھے جن کی ابتدا ہم نے سب سے پہلے کی تھی۔ اور جب میں شیئٹیک کہتا ہوں تو ، وہاں ایک ضمیمہ ہوتا ہے جسے اے ایچ سی سی کہا جاتا ہے اور یہ شیٹکے مشروم سے ماخوذ ہے۔ اور یہ کیپسول میں آتا ہے ، وہی جو میرے والد لے رہے ہیں۔

اور اس کی وجہ یہ ہے کہ میں نے اسے ان کیپسول پر کھڑا کیا ہے کیونکہ وہ واقعتا China کیموتھریپی علاج کے علاوہ چین اور جاپان کے کینسر اسپتالوں میں مستعمل ہیں۔ ایسے مطالعات ہیں جو ان پر کیے گئے ہیں جس سے یہ ظاہر ہوتا ہے کہ وہ کینسر کے علاج کے دوران مدافعتی نظام کو مضبوط رکھنے میں مدد کرسکتے ہیں۔ تو یہ سب سے پہلے میں سے ایک ہیں جو میں نے اسے صرف اس کے مدافعتی نظام کو مضبوط رکھنے کے لئے حاصل کیا۔ لہذا اے ایچ سی سی اور شائٹیک ، میرا مطلب یہ ہے کہ عمومی طور پر یہ صرف حیرت انگیز ہے ، اور اسے اینٹی ویرل دکھایا گیا ہے اور یہ ان میں سے ایک ہے جس سے آپ ، یقینا ، کھانا بنا سکتے ہیں۔ اور وہ اسے زیادہ مرتکز شکل میں لیتا ہے ، لیکن ہم کوشش کرتے ہیں کہ زیادہ سے زیادہ شیٹکے مشروم بھی زیادہ سے زیادہ پکائیں۔ جب بھی وہاں ہو ، آپ جانتے ہو ، ایک سیوری ڈش جس میں میں کچھ شیٹیکس ٹاس کرسکتا ہوں ، میں ہمیشہ کروں گا۔

تو یہ ان میں سے ایک ہے جو ہم نے اسے شروع کیا۔ اور پھر ترکی کی دم ایک اور تھی۔ میں نے فون کیا… میں نیویارک شہر میں میڈیکل ڈاکٹر کے ایک فنکشنل میں کام کرتا تھا۔ اس کا نام ڈاکٹر فرینک لیپ مین ہے۔ اس نے میری کتاب کو آگے بھی لکھا۔ لیکن جیسے ہی میرے والد کی تشخیص ہوئی میں نے اس کے دفتر کو فون کیا اور وہاں ایک کمپاؤنڈ فارماسسٹ موجود تھا۔ اور اس نے کہا ، ”ترکی کی دم کو دیکھو کیونکہ ترکی کے دم سے چھاتی کے سرطان کے ٹیومر کو کم کرنے کے بارے میں مطالعے ہوئے ہیں۔ تو یہ آپ کو دیکھنا چاہئے۔ ” تو یقینا. ، میں نے دیکھا… پال اسٹیمٹس کے پاس ایک ویڈیو ہے۔ میرے خیال میں یہ ایک ٹی ای ڈی ٹاک ہے جہاں وہ اپنی ماں کو چھاتی کے کینسر کے لئے ترکی دم استعمال کرنے کے بارے میں بات کرتا ہے۔ اور پھر ترکی کے دم اور چھاتی کے کینسر کے بارے میں بھی دوسرے مطالعے ہوئے ہیں۔

لہذا ہم نے ترکی کی دم کو شامل کیا۔ لہذا یہ وہ دو تھے جن کی ہم نے شروعات کی تھی: اے ایچ سی سی اور ترکی کی دم۔ اور اس کو چھوڑ کر ، ہم روزانہ ہلانے لگتے ہیں۔ لہذا ہم نے روزانہ سبز رنگ کی ہمواریاں بنانا شروع کیں ، آپ جانتے ہو کہ اس میں سبزوں کا ایک گچھا ہے۔ کیونکہ ایک چیز جو میں نے واقعی میں کیموتیریپی سے شروع کر کے محسوس کی تھی ، وہ ہے ، آپ جانتے ہو ، کچھ لوگ ، جب انہیں کینسر ہوتا ہے ، تو وہ واقعی سخت خوراک پر چلنے کا فیصلہ کرتے ہیں یا وہ تیزی سے رس لینا چاہتے ہیں ، یا وہ پییلیو جاتے ہیں یا وہ ویگن جاؤ یا ، آپ جانتے ہیں ، جو بھی وہ کرنا چاہتے ہیں۔ اور میں ، اس کی مکمل حمایت کرتا ہوں۔

لیکن میں نے جو محسوس کیا ہے وہ یہ ہے کہ کیمو پر رہنے والا شخص اکثر اوقات اپنی بھوک بالکل ختم ہوجاتا ہے ، اور وہ واقعی میں کچھ کھانوں کو پیٹ نہیں کرسکتے ہیں اور اس کی وجہ سے وہ کھاتے ہی نہیں اور بہت زیادہ وزن کم کرتے ہیں۔ لہذا جب میں نے اپنے والد کے ساتھ یہ پوری غذائی تبدیلی کرنے کی کوشش کی تو یہ بات میرے لئے واضح ہوگئی کہ وہ اتنی جلدی اپنا وزن کم کررہا ہے کہ مجھے یہ جاننے کی ضرورت ہے ، “ٹھیک ہے ، شاید اسے صرف وہی کچھ کھانے کی ضرورت ہے جس سے وہ کھا سکے۔ ہم اس کے لئے ان اضافی غذائیت میں اضافہ کرسکتے ہیں۔ تو لوگ مجھ سے ہر وقت پوچھتے ہیں ، “کیا وہ واقعی سخت خوراک پر گامزن ہے؟” اس کا جواب نہیں ہے۔ ہم نے ابھی کچھ چیزیں اس میں شامل کیں ، اور اس نے شراب کو مکمل طور پر چھوڑ دیا اور انتہائی شوگر کو بہت کم کردیا۔ لیکن اس کے علاوہ ، ہم زیادہ تر چیزوں کو شامل کرتے رہے ہیں۔

لہذا ہم نے جو روز ہلا کرنا شروع کیا وہ فور سگماٹک سے ملنے والے 10 مشروم کا مرکب تھا۔ اور میری امی اس کے لئے روزانہ بناتی ہیں۔ اور میں اسے صرف اتنا کہتا ہوں کہ جتنا ہو سکے ڈال دو۔ وہ ہیپنگ چمچ کی طرح ڈالتی ہے ، لیکن میں ہمیشہ پسند کرتا ہوں ، “اگر آپ تھوڑا سا اضافی کرتے ہیں تو ، ٹھیک ہے۔” لہذا ہم فور سگماٹک سے ملنے والے 10 مشروم کا مرکب استعمال کرتے ہیں ، جس میں وہ سبھی ، سات مشروم ہیں جن کا میں نے پہلے ذکر کیا ہے ، اور کچھ دوسرے۔ اور پھر ہم نے اس ہلانے میں اضافی ترکی دم ڈال دی۔ ہم نے اس ہلانے میں اضافی چاگا بھی ڈال دیا۔ اور اسی طرح ، وہ ایک مرکب لے رہا ہے ، 10 ترکی کے ساتھ اضافی ترکی پونچھ اے ایچ سی سی۔ صرف اس طرح کی جب بھی ہم اضافی دواؤں کے مشروم پھینک سکتے ہیں ، تب ہم ایسا کرتے ہیں۔

کیٹی: بہت اچھے۔ اور کیا آپ بھی وہی کرتے ہیں؟ کیا آپ ان میں سے 10 دن کو بھی شامل کرتے ہیں؟

جینی: میں ہر روز 10 شامل نہیں کرتا ہوں۔ میرا اندازہ ہے کہ میں عام طور پر کیا کرتا ہوں ، میری دواؤں کی مشروم کی طرح کا معمول ، کیا میں عام طور پر ہر دن ایک ٹینچر میں چاگا لیتا ہوں۔ اور چاگا ، میں واقعی میں اس سے محبت کرتا ہوں کیونکہ یہ ایک اچھ kindی روز کی ایک اچھی قسم ہے ، میری رائے میں ، روز مرہ کی فلاح و بہبود کی حمایت کرنے والا مشروم کیونکہ یہ اینٹی آکسیڈینٹس میں بہت زیادہ ہے اور یہ مدافعتی نظام کے لئے بھی بہت اچھا ہے۔ لہذا میں یا تو چاگا کے ساتھ ٹکنچر لیتا ہوں یا میں چاگا چائے بناتا ہوں اور میں یا تو فور سگماٹک کے پیکٹ استعمال کروں گا۔ یا اگر میرے پاس چاگا کا اصل حصہ ہے تو ، میں اس کو ابالوں گا کہ پانی میں ، عام طور پر ، آپ جانتے ہو ، ایک برتن میں چولھے پر عام طور پر کم از کم ایک گھنٹہ ہوتا ہے۔ میرا مطلب ہے ، آپ اسے کم سے کم 20 منٹ تک وہاں چھوڑ سکتے ہیں۔ لیکن ، آپ جانتے ہیں ، اگر آپ دو گھنٹے یا اس سے زیادہ وقت تک جاتے ہیں تو ، آپ چائے میں مزید دوا نکال سکتے ہیں۔

تو میں چاغ چائے بہت بناؤں گا۔ دراصل ، جب میں کتاب لکھ رہا تھا ، میں بنیادی طور پر چاگا چائے پر رہ رہا تھا کیونکہ جب میں اپنی ڈیڈ لائن پر تھا تو میں زیادہ سو نہیں رہا تھا۔ میں صرف دن میں بہت سارے گھنٹے کام کر رہا تھا اور واقعی دیر سے رہتا تھا ، اپنی ڈیڈ لائن کو نشانہ بنانے کی کوشش کرتا تھا۔ اور میں نہیں چاہتا تھا کہ میرا مدافعتی نظام کمزور ہوجائے کیوں کہ ، آپ جانتے ہیں ، جب میں نیند کھو دیتا ہوں تو ، میں محسوس کرسکتا ہوں کہ میرا مدافعتی نظام بہت جلد کمزور ہونے لگتا ہے۔ لہذا میں چاگا چائے کو نیچے اتار رہا تھا اور میں کبھی بیمار نہیں ہوا ، جو حیرت کی بات ہے۔ لیکن مجھے چاگا پسند ہے۔ لہذا میں ہر دن کسی نہ کسی شکل میں چاگا لیتا ہوں۔

اور پھر دوسرے مشروم جو میں مختلف قسم کے حالات میں استعمال کرتا ہوں۔ اگر میں لکھنے کے لئے بیٹھنے والا ہوں ، یا اگر میں جانتا ہوں کہ میں پوڈ کاسٹ انٹرویو کرنے والا ہوں ، یا اگر میں ہوں تو ، آپ کو پتہ ہے ، بیٹھ کر کام کرنے یا ای میلز کا جواب دینے والا ہوں ، اور میں صرف انتہائی توجہ مرکوز ہونا چاہتے ہیں کیونکہ شیر کی مانے میموری اور ادراک اور عام طور پر دماغ اور اعصاب کے ل for واقعی اچھا ہے۔ اوہ ، میں اپنے والد کے ساتھ شیر کی مانے کا ذکر کرنا بھول گیا تھا۔ شیر کا مانی ایک اور ہے جسے وہ ہر روز اضافی لیتا ہے کیونکہ اس کی کیموتھریپی سے متاثرہ نیوروپتی سے واقعی اس کی مدد کی جاتی ہے۔ تو یہ بات قابل دھیان ہے کہ وہ شیر کے مانے ، کیونکہ یہ اعصابی تخلیق نو کے لئے بہت مددگار ہے ، یہ ان لوگوں کے لئے مددگار ثابت ہوسکتا ہے جو نیوروپتی کا تجربہ کرتے ہیں ، جو انگلیوں میں انگلیوں اور انگلیوں میں جھک جاتا ہے یا احساس محرومی ہوتا ہے ، جس کے بعد میرے والد نے شیر کی مانی لینے شروع کردی ، تقریبا دو ہفتوں میں ، وہ اپنی انگلیوں کے اشارے سے بٹنوں اور سککوں اور اپنے کانٹیکٹ لینسوں کی طرح چیزوں کو دوبارہ محسوس کرنا شروع کرسکتا تھا۔ تو یہ واقعی حیرت انگیز تھا۔ تو شیر کی مانے ایک اور ہے۔

اور پھر میں عام طور پر رات کو ریشی لیتا ہوں۔ جب میں بستر کے لئے تیار ہونے کے لئے ونڈ ڈاون کا معمول بناتا ہوں تو ، میں یا تو چار سگمیٹ پیکٹ استعمال کرکے یا پھر ایک ریشی چائے پیوں گا… یا آپ جانتے ہو ، میرے پاس عام طور پر رشی نہیں ہوتی ہے ، میرا مطلب ہے ، ریشی کے اصل ٹکڑے کی طرح ، لیکن ایک بار میں ، میں ایک جڑی بوٹی کی دکان سے کچھ حاصل کرسکتا ہوں اور چائے اسی طرح کروں گا جیسے میں چاگا کروں گا یا میں ٹینچر لیتا ہوں۔ تو میں ان کو مختلف شکلوں میں رکھتا ہوں۔ اور اس لئے میں ریشی کہوں گا ، شیر کا مانے اور چاگا وہ تین ہیں جو میں نے… لیکن میں نے ابھی کچھ اور سنڈرسیپس کا آرڈر دیا ہے کیونکہ میں اپنی زندگی میں مزید کورڈیسیپس کو شامل کرنا شروع کروں گا۔ اور آپ جانتے ہو ، توانائی اور استعداد کے ل that یہ واقعی بہت اچھا ہے۔

کیٹی: میں آپ کے ساتھ ہوں۔ اور یہ دیکھنا واقعی حیرت انگیز ہے… مجھے معلوم ہے کہ مختلف قسموں پر… ابھی بہت ساری تعلیمیں سامنے آرہی ہیں… یہ مختلف قسم کے مشروم ہیں اور ان کا استعمال کیسے کیا جاسکتا ہے۔ اور میں بھی وہی کرتا ہوں۔ میں مختلف قسم کے سائیکل چلاتا ہوں جن کا میں زیادہ تر دن استعمال کرتا ہوں۔ لیکن زیادہ تر صبح ، میں چائے یا کافی یا کسی ہموار یا کسی چیز میں شیر کی مانی شامل کروں گا اور پھر دن بھر چاگا اور کارڈی سیپس میں شامل کروں گا ، اور پھر تقریبا always ہمیشہ ہی کسی نہ کسی شکل میں ریشی سے نیچے گر جاتا ہوں۔ اور یہ واقعی میری نیند کو بہتر بناتا ہے۔ اور اس سے مجھے واقعی وشد خواب بھی ملتے ہیں۔ اور بہت ساری ٹھنڈی تحقیق ہے اور ریشے سمیت مختلف مشروموں کے نیوروپروکٹیک فوائد کے بارے میں محض نظریات۔ اور اس ل I میں سوچتا ہوں کہ یہ ممکنہ طور پر ہے ، یہ نیوروپاتھ کو متحرک کرنے کی طرح ہے جب آپ سو رہے ہو۔ یہ ایک نظریہ ہے کہ کیوں یہ وشد خواب دیتا ہے۔

اور مجھے حال ہی میں پتہ چلا ہے کہ ریشی در حقیقت بڑھتی ہے جہاں ہم رہتے ہیں۔ لہذا میں مشروم کی مختلف اقسام کے لئے چارا سیکھنا سیکھ رہا ہوں جو واقعی لطف آتا ہے۔ لیکن ہاں ، مجھے لگتا ہے کہ آپ ٹھیک ہیں۔ مجھے پیار ہے کہ آپ ان موضوعات پر روشنی ڈال رہے ہیں کیونکہ میرے خیال میں یہ تحقیق کا بڑھتا ہوا علاقہ ہوگا۔ اور جیسے میں نے پوڈکاسٹ پر پہلے بھی بات کی ہے اور اس کے بارے میں لکھا ہے ، مشروم اتنی ٹھنڈی ، واقعی ، استعمال کرنے میں واقعتا cool ایک عمدہ چیز ہے کیونکہ وہ بہت پائیدار ہیں۔ وہ بہت جلدی بڑھتے ہیں۔ اور پھر ان کے بہت سے استعمال ہوتے ہیں حتی کہ صرف غذائی اور صحت سے متعلق استعمال کے بھی۔ اور ہم یہ ماحولیاتی طریقوں سے استعمال ہوتے ہوئے دیکھ رہے ہیں۔ اور وہ سمجھتے ہیں کہ مشروم کی مدد کر سکتے ہیں کے لئے کچھ طریقے ہو سکتے ہیں ، مثال کے طور پر ، پلاسٹک اور ہر طرح کے دوسرے استعمال۔

تو میری فہرست میں اگلا یہ سیکھنا ہے کہ گھر میں کچھ مشروم کیسے اگائیں۔ اور مجھے فی الحال میرے باورچی خانے کے کاؤنٹر پر کچھ شیروں کے منے اور گنوچی تجربات بڑھ رہے ہیں۔ مجھے یہ عنوان پسند ہے۔ میرے خیال میں یہ دلچسپ ہے۔ اور مجھے پسند ہے کہ آپ اس پر روشنی ڈال رہے ہیں اور اس طرح کی عملی وضاحتیں اور مشورے دے رہے ہیں کہ ہم سب کو ان میں شامل کرنا کیسے شروع ہوسکتا ہے۔ اور مجھے واقعی پراعتماد بھی ہے کہ ہم اس کے بارے میں اعداد و شمار دیکھنا جاری رکھیں گے… اس کی وجہ سے ، جیسا کہ آپ نے ذکر کیا ہے ، ان کے مدافعتی معاون فوائد ، جو ہم وقت کے ساتھ ساتھ یہ کام کرنے کے بارے میں بھی اعداد و شمار دیکھنا جاری رکھیں گے۔ مدافعتی نظام کی حمایت کرنے اور ممکنہ طور پر حفاظتی اثر پیدا کرنے کے لئے۔

لہذا امید ہے کہ ، یہاں تک کہ لوگ جو واقعی صحت کے ایک بہت بڑے بحران کا سامنا نہیں کر رہے ہیں ، اب بھی طویل مدتی سے ان سے فائدہ اٹھا سکتے ہیں۔ ہمارے پاس ابھی وہ ڈیٹا نہیں ہے ، لیکن مجھے یقین ہے کہ یہ آرہا ہے۔ اور میں اس بات کو یقینی بنانا چاہتا ہوں کہ ہم دوسری چیز کے بارے میں بات کرنے کے لئے بھی وقت محفوظ رکھتے ہیں جس کے بارے میں آپ بہت کچھ لکھتے ہیں ، جو بھنگ اور سی بی ڈی کی طرف ہے۔ لہذا گیئرز کو تھوڑا سا سوئچ کرنے کے ل first ، پہلے ہمارے لئے سخت بھنگ اور سی بی ڈی کے درمیان فرق کو توڑ دو۔

جینی: ضرور سی بی ڈی بانگ پلانٹ کا ایک حصہ ہے۔ یہ بانگ پلانٹ کے اندر ایک مرکب ہے۔ بھنگ پلانٹ کے اندر سیکڑوں مرکبات ہیں ، جن سے قبل میں اس تحقیق کو شروع کرنے سے پہلے مجھے اس کے بارے میں کچھ پتہ نہیں تھا۔ لیکن ٹی ایچ سی اور سی بی ڈی دو انتہائی مشہور مرکبات ہیں اور وہ دو جن کا اب تک مطالعہ کیا گیا ہے۔ اور ٹی ایچ سی وہ کمپاؤنڈ ہے جسے لوگ سب سے زیادہ تسلیم کرتے ہیں جو آپ کو اونچا جاتا ہے۔ لہذا ، یہ آپ کو معلوم ہے ، یہ وہی ہے جو سر کی طرح ہوتا ہے… وہی جو آپ کو سر بلند کرتا ہے اور جب آپ تمباکو نوشی کے بارے میں سوچتے ہو یا اس طرح کے کچھ سوچتے ہو تو آپ سوچتے ہیں۔ بھنگ کے پودے کے اندر سی بی ڈی ایک انو ہے جو آپ کو اونچا نہیں کرتا ہے۔ اس میں وہ نفسیاتی اثرات نہیں پائے جاتے ہیں ، لیکن اس سے علاج معالجے کے بہت سارے فائدے ہیں اور ٹی ایچ سی نے بھی اسے فائدہ اٹھایا ہے۔

تو سی بی ڈی بانگ پلانٹ کے اندر صرف ایک مرکب ہے۔ اور اس کتاب کی وجہ ، آپ کو معلوم ہے ، ٹیگ لائن میں ، میں بھنگ اور سی بی ڈی کہتا ہوں ، اس کی وجہ یہ ہے کہ مجھے لگتا ہے کہ اس میں کچھ الجھن ہے ، آپ جانتے ہیں ، یہاں تک کہ سی بی ڈی بھی آیا ہے اور ، آپ جانتے ہیں ، بھنگ میں اس کا کیا کردار ہے۔ اور میں یہ بھی چاہتا تھا کہ وہ لوگ جو خاص طور پر سی بی ڈی کی تلاش کر رہے تھے ، تاکہ وہ کتاب کو ڈھونڈ سکیں اور شاید اس نے بھنگ ہی کہی ہو تو وہ اسے تلاش نہ کریں۔ تو اسی جگہ سے CBD آتا ہے۔ یہ اس پلانٹ کے اندر ایک بہت ہی مشہور مرکبات ہے۔

کیٹی: ٹھیک ہے ، ٹھنڈا ہے۔ کیونکہ مجھے لگتا ہے جیسے ، جیسا کہ یہ چیزیں زیادہ مشہور ہوچکی ہیں ، اس طرح وہ ایک دوسرے کے ساتھ اکٹھے ہوجاتے ہیں۔ And I know a lot of people have been hesitant to try CBD because they just kind of assume it’s in the same category with cannabis and it’s not something they’d wanna use themselves or with their kids if they’re not necessarily…if they are avoiding THC or they’re not on board with that. Talk about some of the main reasons that people are using CBD for health and wellness and how you use this with your dad. Because just like with the medicinal mushrooms, we are seeing an explosion of both anecdotal and scientific evidence on these compounds. So explain kind of how you incorporated it.

Jenny: Sure. Yeah. One of the things to note right off the bat that…kind of similarly with medicinal mushrooms, when people think that they’re magic mushrooms or psychedelic mushrooms. With CBD, one thing to really note is you can use CBD without any THC and you can use it without feeling any high. And there’s different kinds of CBD that you can use. And, you know, one is called full spectrum. You know, if we’re talking about a CBD tincture, for instance, that’s kind of one of the most common ways people use it. When I say tincture, it’s usually an oil-based tincture that you use under the tongue. But if you use a full-spectrum product, what that means is there’s all the different compounds from the cannabis plant are in there, including a little tiny bit of THC, depending on what kind of product you get. And the compounds have been shown to work better together. So it’s called the entourage effect and they can kind of boost each other up and help each other work more strongly.

So a full-spectrum product will have mostly CBD if you’re getting a CBD product, but a little bit of everything else too, the other compounds inside the cannabis plant. But you can, if you really wanna avoid THC altogether, even though there have been studies showing that a little bit of THC can boost the CBD’s effects, you can avoid it altogether if you don’t wanna give it to your children, or if you’re in sober recovery or you just really want to avoid it, you can get either a CBD isolate or a broad spectrum CBD.

I prefer broad spectrum over isolate because broad spectrum just means it includes a bunch of other compounds within the cannabis plant that can help with that entourage effect except no THC. So that could be a place to start if you really wanna avoid THC. CBD isolates are just the CBD molecule on its own, and that can be effective for people, but it has been shown that you need to take more, you know, five times or more the amount of CBD isolate to get the effects that you would get with a full spectrum CBD, which can end up being, you know, expensive. And so if you don’t have an issue with having a little bit of THC, I would personally go for full spectrum.

So that aside, to answer your actual question, my dad uses a full-spectrum CBD. He started on capsules. So I personally like the oil tincture under the tongue. That’s my preferred method of using CBD, but he takes capsules just because it’s easier for him. Just in his daily routine, he takes other capsules. So he likes to take the capsules. So we got him started on CBD capsules with full-spectrum CBD capsules before he got a medical marijuana card, which in certain states…it’s gonna be different in every state, you know, because cannabis is still federally illegal. CBD on its own is now legal, but cannabis in general, especially with THC, and it is with more than 0.3% THC, which is a really, really small amount is federally illegal. So you need to…in every state, it’s gonna be different.

So here in Massachusetts where my dad lives, he needed to get a medical card in order to get something with more THC in it. So for the chemotherapy side effects and for his cancer, the product that we really wanted was something called Rick Simpson Oil. And sometimes it has different names. Sometimes it’s called full extract cannabis oil. It’s inspired by a guy named Rick Simpson who according to him, used this very highly concentrated oil to cure his skin cancer. And so this oil is very, very thick and very, very highly concentrated. It could have, you know, 50 milligrams of THC or CBD, depending on what kind of product you get in a drop the size of a grain of rice. And that’s a really high amount just for reference. If you’re…you know, the amount of THC most people take to get high is like 5 to 10 milligrams. So 50 milligrams is really high.

So the product that he’s using is this highly concentrated oil that has a one-to-one ratio, meaning equal parts CBD to THC. And most of the cannabis doctors I’ve spoken to with this specific type of product, they recommend the one-to-one ratio because of how these compounds can really boost each other up and amplify each other to give the most medicinal effects. So some people use a high THC one. Some people just use a really high CBD one, but he uses this one-to-one. And it’s not an everyday wellness type of product. This is a medical product that really can only be found at medical dispensaries.

So he takes a little bit of this oil morning and night, and he’s had to play with his dose a little bit to get it to the point where he doesn’t feel that high because he doesn’t wanna feel that during the day, you know, when he needs to get other things done. So he will, you know, kind of titrate the dose up little by little in order to get to the point where he still feels comfortable. And then he’ll take a little bit more at night because it really helps him sleep. But the reason for the THC, especially with chemotherapy side effects, is it’s really helpful for nausea and appetite. So if those are, you know, things that people are experiencing with cancer treatment, those are things that THC can be really helpful with. Nausea, appetite, sleep and pain are things that the THC can be really good for.

Personally, I don’t take products with THC. I take a full spectrum CBD product that just has a tiny bit of THC because I don’t like to feel the high. So I’m very focused on, you know, getting those therapeutic benefits from the CBD without feeling the intoxicating effects. And so I’ll take… And as far as what people are experiencing from CBD, I think the most common things they’re using it for are probably anxiety, pain, and sleep. Those are the three ones that I hear most often and that’s what I take it for.

So I’ll take a full spectrum tincture that I use under the tongue mostly at night before I go to bed. And it’s not a sedative. It doesn’t just put you to sleep or knock you out, but it really… It can really help with, you know, anxiety and racing thoughts and feeling like you’re on edge. If that’s why you’re having trouble sleeping, it can really help with that. And then the same with pain. If pain is keeping you awake, the CBD can help to mitigate that pain to help you fall asleep. So those are some of the ways that people are using CBD.

Katie: That makes sense. Okay. So can you explain a little bit deeper how CBD works in the body and specifically what the endocannabinoid system is and how CBD interacts with that?

Jennie: Yeah, that was one of the things that I was really, you know, fascinated to learn about when I was doing this research is that we have this system in our body, the endocannabinoid system, like you mentioned, and it works directly with cannabis molecules that interact with this system. And we have this system in our body, it wasn’t designed just to be used with cannabis. We actually have our own molecules in the body, these endogenous cannabinoids, which…cannabinoids are the molecules within the cannabis plant, but we have our own. They’re called endocannabinoids and our body makes them in response to stress, in response to anxiety, in response to pain. And the system is really there to keep us in balance, to keep us regulated.

You know, I mentioned the word adaptogen before when it comes to medicinal mushrooms and I really kind of consider the endocannabinoid system to be that same kind of adaptogenic system for our body that really keeps us in homeostasis. And so the way that CBD interacts with this system is that it actually doesn’t…it doesn’t bind to the receptors in the system directly, but what it does is it can break down the enzymes that…well, it can block the enzymes that break down our natural cannabinoids. So without being too scientific about it, we have these, you know, these molecules in our system that CBD will basically amplify and make us have higher levels of these molecules, you know, circulating throughout our system.

So if we are putting these molecules out in response to anxiety and we take CBD, then we’ll have more of these anti-anxiety molecules in our system, if that makes sense. So THC is a little bit different in the sense that it binds to the receptors and it can actually mimic these molecules that we have in our body, but CBD will just kind of up-regulate that system for us.

Katie: Okay. So for understanding that, like, what are other various ways? I know I’ve seen the research on CBD for cancer. I know also, like you mentioned a little bit, people use this for anxiety, for mental health reasons, for sleep. What are some of the other reasons that you’re seeing that people are using CBD?

Jenny: Well, I think people use it for mood. I mean, one thing that’s important to know about CBD is that our endocannabinoid system, we all have a different endocannabinoid system. So I compare it to our digestive systems a lot in the sense that everybody has a different, you know, state of their digestive system. Everybody has different, you know, gut flora and bacteria that are in our guts and we all respond to different foods differently. And the endocannabinoid system is kind of like that in the sense that we all have a different…

There’s a doctor that I spoke to when I was researching this book. His name is Dr. Ethan Russo and he calls it the endocannabinoid tone. So we all have our own endocannabinoid tone, which is the state of our natural endocannabinoid molecules, the state of our receptors and, you know, diet, lifestyle, genetics, all of this can affect our endocannabinoid system, which is one reason why there’s not one dose, one correct CBD dose for everybody. If I, you know, I may need a little bit more than you, or, you know, someone may take 25 milligrams of CBD and it could really help them sleep. Another person could take 25 milligrams of CBD and it could wake them up a little bit more. So people do have different experiences with it because of that. So it really takes a lot of, you know, self-experimentation and starting with a low dose and just seeing how you feel and really monitoring it.

But aside from what I talked about with anxiety, pain and sleep, people are using it for, you know, focus, for mood. It even interacts with the immune system. So people are saying that it could be kind of an immune tonic, the same way that medicinal mushrooms are, although there needs to be more research with the immune system. But people use it for their skin as well to, you know, just sooth the skin. It’s been shown to be helpful for acne too. So it’s kind of…there’s a variety of reasons that people are using it, but I think the anxiety one is probably the most prevalent.

Katie: I’ve definitely heard that one quite a bit. And personally, I use a topical CBD. I’ve been lifting weights quite a bit, and it’s really helpful for muscle soreness as well.

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I love that you mentioned the kind of very personalized dose response to CBD. I’ve noticed that with myself and my husband and with my kids as well, like obviously, them, they’re smaller, they use teeny tiny doses. But even between my husband and I, he can handle much, much bigger doses. In fact, he needs much bigger doses if it’s gonna help with his sleep or for him to see an effect. And whereas even just like a very small dose of a full spectrum can help me sleep or I see the effects very, very quickly. And so I think that’s absolutely a really important point. But when it comes to dosing, what is a good place to start and how can people know when they’ve found the right dose?

Jenny: That’s a great question. So if you’re using a product with higher THC, and most people for general wellness stuff probably don’t need to be using a product with higher THC, unless they just really enjoy how it feels. That’s totally up to you. But if you’re using something with higher THC, I would say start much lower than something with a low amount of THC. So one milligram of THC is a really good place to start if you’re using THC because it’s been shown that two milligrams of THC is kind of the threshold for the psychoactive effects of THC. So if you’re very sensitive or new to cannabis or new to CBD products, make sure you’re paying a lot of attention to how much THC is actually in your product. If it’s gonna, you know, if it’s something that you care about is monitoring that kind of intoxication level that THC can bring.

And I guess that’s a good time for me to say that any product that you’re using, any cannabis product that you’re using, you wanna look at a lab test if you can especially like I said, especially if it’s gonna be something with THC in it. Because you wanna make sure that the amount of CBD or THC that it’s showing you on the bottle matches the lab test ideally, a third party lab test done by another company, because as you know, CBD, the market is highly unregulated. So people are just putting out products that don’t match what is actually on the label. And so you could be taking something with way, way less than you think of CBD or way more. So I think it’s important to look at a lab test, which you can usually either find on a company’s website or you can get in touch with the company directly and ask them to email you a lab test.

And most reputable companies should have that really readily available for you. So that’s just something to think about. If you take a CBD product and you’re like, “It didn’t work,” or nothing happened, or “I just, I’m not sure what’s in this,” look at the lab test. So that being said, if you’re just taking a CBD product, a full-spectrum CBD or any other kind of CBD product, you can start low. I mean, you can start as low as like five milligrams just to see how you react. You may have no reaction to that. And it also depends on kind of the level of relief that you’re looking for and the kind of relief that you’re looking for. If you’re using a topical, for instance, like you said, you’re probably not gonna be measuring milligrams. You’re probably just gonna be taking like a little bit of the topical and rubbing it on your muscles and seeing how it feels.

But you’re using a tincture, which is an oil-based tincture, which is kind of the most common way, I would start with maybe five milligrams and then you wanna wait, you know, at least an hour or so before taking more. You know, it can have effects within 15 minutes or so, but, you know, you just wanna monitor how you feel and then you can kind of up it by five milligrams every couple of days until you find the dose that really works for you. And with CBD, if there’s not a lot of THC in it, you don’t have to be super careful with, you know, five milligrams versus 10 milligrams when you’re upping the dose. It’s a little bit more forgiving. But yeah, I would start small and then, you know, a general place that a lot of people start is a little higher, maybe 15 milligrams. But if you’re very new to it, I would just start low and then work your way up from there.

Katie: Perfect. And I know you have a lot more detail in the book. People can learn on all of the things we’ve talked about today. As we get close to the end, a couple of questions that I love to ask. The first being if you had any advice that you could share with the hundreds of thousands of people who will listen to this episode, it doesn’t have to be related to mushrooms and CBD, but it could be, what would it be and why?

Jennie: Well, I think overall, with all this and with my, just in general, with wellness, we’ve talked about this already, but I think the most important thing is to really listen to your own body and listen to your own intuition about what you should be taking. And especially with things like cannabis, you know, people do have their thoughts and ideas about it. I speak to a lot of people that are in the sober community, for instance. And if something doesn’t feel right for you, just don’t do it. Or if something… You know, like listen to yourself and listen to what feels best for you, because at the end of the day, people can tell you what’s good for you all day long and it may not be the right thing for you.

So I just think getting really, really clear on how your body feels is really important with any herb, supplement, or wellness practice that you’re doing. I really… I think it’s important to keep a journal and to write down how you feel after you take certain things and just make sure whatever wellness protocol you’re on is the right one for you. And I think people really want to be told exactly what they should do with dosing and with what they should be taking, but it is super, super personal. So get to know your body and experiment.

Katie: Such important advice. And I’m so glad you brought that up. I’ve been guilty of that as well being in the health world for so long. And early on, when I was sick, I was finding things that were helping and I got so dogmatic about those things and would write about them thinking they could help everybody. And what I learned more and more these last few years is that this is so personalized. And I think you’re right, everybody…we all have the obligation to do our own research and our own experimentation. And at the end of the day, we find our best health answers when it’s very individualized and when we take ownership for that. And I love that you are giving people the tools to do that through your work, but also not being dogmatic in how. So I think that’s beautiful advice. And lastly, if there is a book or a number of books that have really influenced your life, what they are and why.

Jenny: Yeah, the first… I mean the one book that really has influenced my life probably more than any other, just because of the journey that it took me on, is ”The Artist’s Way” by Julia Cameron. And that’s a book about basically awakening your creativity. And one of the things that I always felt about myself was that I wasn’t creative. And, you know, before I started writing on my blog, I would look at people who I thought were… I thought the only people who were creative were like artists and musicians and poets. And I was like, “Oh, I’m just not creative.” But I read the book, ”The Artist’s Way,” and she takes you through a series of prompts and exercises and, you know, guidance to really awaken your own creativity and to find the… Because everybody is creative, right? That’s kind of the essence of human beings. We are creative beings and we can create things in so many different ways.

And when I read that book, it helped me to start writing and to start writing about wellness. And following Julia Cameron after I read ”The Artist’s Way” book, I wanted to go… I wanted more from her because she had really awakened something within me. And I looked her up online just to see if she was speaking in New York City. And she was speaking there at a place called the Institute for Integrative Nutrition, which is where I ended up going to get my health coach certification. But I had no idea about that school until I read ”The Artist’s Way,” followed Julia Cameron, went to go see her speak. And then I learned about this nutrition school and I ended up enrolling. And from then…that was 10 years ago. And that really put me on a path to where I am today. So I’m just super grateful for Julia Cameron.

Katie: I will add that to the show notes along with everything we’ve talked about. You guys can find all of those notes at wellnessmama.fm, along with a link to Jenny’s book, ”The Rebel’s Apothecary,” which is also, I’m sure, available anywhere books are sold. Where can everyone else find you online, Jenny?

Jenny: Thank you so much. They can find me… Yeah, the book is available exactly anywhere books are sold although in this moment, a lot of bookstores are closed, so online. But you can find me. My blog is healthycrush.com, which I kind of have…it’s taken a little bit of a backseat since I’ve been focused on book-writing, but I’m getting back into it. So that’s where I’ve been writing for many years. And then you can find me on Instagram at Jenny Sansouci.

Katie: Perfect. Jenny, thank you so much for your time and for your work and I wish your dad continued health and recovery. And thank you for sharing your knowledge today.

Jenny: Thanks so much for having me

Katie: And thanks as always to all of you for listening and sharing one of your most valuable resources, your time with us. We’re both so grateful that you did, and I hope that you will join me again on the next episode of the ”Wellness Mama” podcast.

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