A Parent’s Guide to Precocious Puberty With Dr. Anne Marie Fine

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Katie: Hello and welcome to the “Valence Mama” podcast. I am Katie from Valensma.com and Valence.com, which is on the same end as EWell, which is now a complete and complete range of personal care products such as hair care and toothpaste. I have a new line and now I am going to get rid of it. So be sure to check it out. This episode is a great thing for any parent who is approaching early age or children’s age as it is all about social puberty and how can we ensure that our children do not go through puberty too early. And what can we do to help? Them when they do.

Dr. Anne Marie Fine is my guest today. He is a doctor, award-winning researcher, and best-selling author, and the founder and CEO of IAMFINE, based on his personal and medical experience suffering from chronic illness due to environmental toxins. Environmental toxicity is a major factor when it comes to puberty. We are going to go deeper into that today. But she also works with people with autoimmune disease, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, cerebral palsy, cancer, etc., and has done a lot of research on the increasing environmental concentration of 80,000 new chemicals in our environment. And how it manifests itself at every stage. From life, thought and pregnancy to puberty, and even as an adult health and hormonal issues.

So, a very informative episode that I know you will enjoy. And without further ado, let’s jump. OK doctor, welcome. Thanks for coming here

Dr. OK: Okay, thanks for inviting me. I’m glad to be here

Katie: I’m excited to talk to you about a topic that’s coming up more and more with my readers and listeners, which is why I think it’s important to add. And this title is the stress of puberty. And I think there are a lot of factors involved. And I think a lot of them have to do with the research and work that you do all the time. So, I think, to begin with, for anyone who is not familiar with the term, let’s explain what the term puberty is.

Dr. Excellent: Puberty Puberty is attributed to the fact that boys and girls are reaching certain signs of puberty, such as changes in pubic hair and breast development, and breast development, and genitals. This is really the age at which it occurs in boys and girls. And the problem is that the age at which this is happening is declining globally. And so people, people want to know because there are implications for early puberty. And the other thing about social adolescence is that mainstream traditional medical doctors are changing only the little things they see in practice. And similarly, they are now saying that puberty is a sign of secondary sexual characteristics in boys under 9 years of age and in girls under 7.5 or 8 years of age. Normal puberty in a girl says what she is saying. Now any place is 8 to 13 years old, when in fact, 12 to 13 years are for a girl, whereas about 50 50 to 75 years has been more than usual, not 8 to 13 years old ۔

Katie: Wow. And from what I’ve read, the change in age, and the percentage of people who are already going through puberty, is growing relatively drastically compared to previous generations, as you said. What do you think are some of the reasons for this rapid change?

Doctor OK: Well, I won’t talk about that much because I really want to be involved in chemical partners like endocrine disruptors, but one of the environmental factors involved in early puberty is obesity. ۔ And it is provoking him. And our fat cells actually make estrogen. And so, this is something that has been considered. But there are a lot of chemicals that I want to talk about, such as pesticides, fungicides, herbicides, cleaning products, cosmetic products, dyes, plastic solvents called endocrine disruptors, which means they I have the ability to see how our hormones work in the smallest detail. Dosages. And these are the key, very small doses. And that’s how our own hormones work. Very small doses of hormones actually have big effects.

So when you take these small doses of chemicals in the environment, especially in some weak fetal developmental age, when of course; when your reproductive organs are actually coming into being. They are actually developing and the brain is developing. When you are exposed to these substances, you find something that may not appear until puberty, or may not appear. Increases the risk of breast cancer and prostate cancer. You can’t see that until these people are adults. But some of these angry people are in the fetus. And that’s why it’s important for women who want to get pregnant to have a pre-existing detoxification, because that’s where it starts. We really need to see where the baby starts.

Katie: All right. So, let’s go, kind of, on the timeline. Because obviously, dealing with parents, like, now children are worried about getting close to this stage. They do not have the ability to go back and imagine. I know, I’ve read a lot since I had my first child. I wish I could change things now. So I definitely want to make sure we’re watching; you know, obviously, we’re not judging or trying; there’s no one who’s not there. But let’s start here, like a perfect world, until we even get pregnant to help our babies get the best hormonal start.

Dr. Excellent: Before conceiving, the best thing to do is to see a doctor trained in environmental medicine who will take a very thorough history, including an environmental history that can showcase the possibilities and Where the person lives You know, through the internet, you can find places by zip code and see what the main chemical is in this environment. And then those people, and it really should be men and women, the sperm actually carries the information about environmental pollution to the new baby. Traditionally, we have focused on the mother. And then these prospective parents need to figure out which pollutants, which types of chemicals are really high in them. And so, the program is being designed for them personally.

So, it’s not; the same people don’t do the same thing. There is no reason to do so, like a heavy metal detox on someone who doesn’t have a problem with heavy metals. So, you want to see what these people know about the hassles, the environmental exposures so that you can really zero in on them and make sure you’re doing a good detox. And then as far as some of us have already had children, oh, wow, do I know that? Because I am also a mother, and I already had my own children. And I used to tell them a lot about these women long before you expected them to be avoided. And similarly, when I got pregnant, the only thing we were told was to avoid alcohol and caffeine. That was it. And let me tell you – I ate a lot of tuna when I was pregnant.

And, you know, it’s high in mercury. And I got hurt with kids who had ADHD, and I like, “I wonder what happened because, you know, I thought I was doing a good job.” But I did a course correction as a child. I tested them with heavy metals and mercury. And when I saw that it was high, I went inside and managed to chew or detoxify some heavy metal. And I’m really glad to remember one thing when you’re a mom, because you have to listen to a lot of little moms right now, when you have your kids at home, it’s a great time to work with them. If you have missed something to improve the course and take care of it, as I have certainly done. Because once they turn 18 and leave home, you will know that your word is no longer good news.

As a mother, it is very difficult to go back and be able to do something. Of course, this is their personal motivation, then, of course, it comes into play. So, I really feel like you made such a good point. Many of us did not have this option. I definitely had never heard of it. And similarly, you only need it as you have children, and even in your own cells, as you get older, you always have the opportunity to make course improvements and go back and test. Get in and take a deep dive into what can really happen. There are special concerns about your health. And then, you know, reduce the burden of chemicals on your body. So, it’s not too late.

And I want to say that, I want to make that clear because that’s what I see in my practice, sometimes, mothers, when they’re already pregnant, they come in. So, this is not an ideal time, right? Or they have waited so long to get pregnant because of career worries or financial troubles that they are now worried about, you know, getting old and unable to conceive. And they can’t feel, you know, they need to take time out before taking care of premature care. And so, these are real things; they’re real life issues that spread, but that’s what I’m proposing. But, you know, it’s something you have to keep in your head before it’s time to get pregnant, or you feel like, “I’m so old. I just have to get pregnant. It’s really. More important, isn’t it?

Katie: Yeah Al that sounds pretty crap to me, Looks like BT aint for me either. I always try to remind everyone, you know, I haven’t figured out most of it, it sounds like you, even when I’m an adult and get autoimmune disease, And then he had to eliminate all the damage and find out what was wrong. And similarly, if we are talking about it for our children, even when we are their children, we have the benefit of starting to grow up. You know, so any time, like 20 years ago, was the best time to plant a tree, today is the second best time. We can always start with what we know now.

And so, I guess, there’s a kind of spectrum here. So, I think of it as an autoimmune disease, for example, I explained that we all have buckets and you can fill a bucket with a lot of things. You can put marble, or sand, or pine cones, or whatever. But when you reach the top, it will flow. The idea is that when you fill this bucket and it gets overwhelmed, you will face some kind of trouble and it will appear differently for each of us. And that’s how I think about environmental toxins.

The body is able to handle a small amount of these things and it is very flexible. But when you reach a certain level of exposure, it ends. And similarly, you can tell me if this hypothesis doesn’t work here, but that’s what I think with kids. And so, if we can reduce their exposure and do things when they are young to help them avoid filling the bucket for the first time, that’s an advantage. Or if we can do something to help them get things out of the bucket, there’s another benefit. And the better we can do it, the better. But anytime is a great time to start.

Dr. OK: Absolutely, Katie. I agree a lot. We say the barrel theory of rain. And it’s true, it doesn’t matter what’s there. A lot of things go there, environmental toxins go there, but stress goes there, and poor nutrition goes there. And once it reaches its peak, the next thing, no matter what it is, if it flows, is what triggers the disease. And so, the idea, it can be very special if you are testing it and looking for it carefully, but also, the theory is that you can do anything to get your bucket down. Yes, that can be helpful, and you can start at any time. Helpful

And by the way, even if you, you know, are very careful about your pregnancy and childhood, as we live and accumulate years, and our land keeps getting polluted, even When we are careful, we always accumulate physical load. Chemicals and so on, make it a part of your daily life, but, still, every now and then, do a detox and reduce it before the body load is gone. Or a lot of people will wait until they actually have, for example, an autoimmune disease or something, and then they’ll go ahead and do it, or they’ll get cancer or that. There will be some kind of disease. But this is not the end of the story. And so, this is something we really need to keep in our toolbox and behind our heads, an area that we need to focus on for a lifetime.

Katie: Absolutely. Okay fine. So, let’s talk more deeply in the chapters, especially the listeners of the parents who are asking me these questions by email or direct message, who want to know, you know, if my children; maybe even expect them No, my baby is at this young age and it is starting to show possible signs of puberty. As such, what do they need to know about endocrine disruptors so explain what they are when they talk about our children and where they are most often found?

Doctor: OK. So, let’s talk about the details with early puberty. Two of the most common contributors to puberty are, I would say, BPA and phthalates, which are plasticizers. So, the whole category of plastics is something I’m going to focus on here. And I’m going to talk about them separately, but I’ll just tell you a few places where they are. Children’s toys have a rubber duck like a bathroom. They are rubber, soft rubber toy phthalates. The shower curtain in your bathroom, if it’s vinyl, found flatlets in it. And the problem with phthalates is that they are not bound to this basic substance. They are constantly falling into the air. And in the same way, there are flats in the dust of your house.

And so, believe it or not, Katie, it’s easy and free for everyone. But we need to dust our homes more often and more carefully, and this will keep environmental toxins down. You won’t believe what’s in your dust, okay. And then in our hygiene products, we also have phthalates and personal care products because nature is also used as an incense, as a perfume. اور اس طرح ، جاننے کا آسان طریقہ یہ ہے کہ جزو کی فہرست کو دیکھیں۔ اور اگر آپ کو اجزاء کی فہرست میں خوشبو یا خوشبو کا لفظ نظر آتا ہے تو ، یہ آپ کا اشارہ ہے کہ غالبا. ان مادوں میں خوشبو ہوتی ہے۔ آپ کبھی بھی کسی بھی چیز کے لیبل پر فتیلیٹ نہیں دیکھیں گے۔ اسے درج کرنے کی ضرورت نہیں ہے۔ خوشبو ایک محفوظ تجارتی راز ہے ، اور خوشبو کا لفظ 80 یا 100 مختلف کیمیکل تک چھپا سکتا ہے اور آپ واقعی نہیں جانتے کہ وہ کیا ہیں ، ٹھیک ہے۔ تو ، مجھے ان میں سے کچھ اور سے گزرنے دو اور پھر ہم تھوڑا سا بیک اپ لیں گے۔ تو ، یہ اچھی طرح سے phthalates کا احاطہ کرتا ہے.

اور پھر بھی ، میں پلگ ان ایئر فریشینرز کے بارے میں بات کرنا چاہتا ہوں۔ سننے والے ہر شخص کو یہ سننے کے فورا. بعد ، ان کو ان پلگ کرنا چاہئے اور انہیں پھینک دینا چاہئے کیونکہ ان میں phthalates موجود ہیں۔ ان میں فارمیلڈہائڈ ہوتا ہے ، جو ایک کارسنجن ہے۔ ان میں بینزین ہوتی ہے ، جو ایک اور کارسنجن ہے۔ اور وہ صرف ان کو ہوا میں خارج کررہے ہیں۔ اور اس طرح آپ انہیں اپنے جسم میں سانس لے رہے ہیں۔ Phthalates بھی transdermally جذب کیا جا سکتا ہے. لہذا ، اگر آپ کے گھر میں خوشبو پھیلانے والا ہے تو ، یہاں تک کہ وہ چھوٹی چھوٹی لاٹھی جو آپ نے عقل کے جار میں ڈال دی ہے ، اگر آپ کی جلد کھلی ہے اور آپ… اور یہ… میرا مطلب ہے ، آپ اسے دیکھ بھی نہیں سکتے ہیں ، لیکن آپ اس چیز کو متعدد مختلف طریقوں سے جذب کررہے ہیں۔

جب آپ کسی ڈیپارٹمنٹ اسٹور پر جاتے ہیں اور آپ داخل ہوجاتے ہیں ، اور آپ کو عطر چھڑکنے والے مل جاتے ہیں ، اور مجھے اس سے نفرت ہے۔ اور اس لئے میں ہمیشہ کہتا ہوں ، “نہیں ، آپ کا شکریہ۔” اور میں اس کے بارے میں بہت نیکی محسوس کرتا ہوں۔ لیکن پھر میں نے شاید تین یا چار سال پہلے یہ دریافت کیا تھا کہ یہاں تک کہ اگر آپ خود بھی اپنی جلد پر کچھ نہیں لگاتے ہیں ، تو صرف خوشبو کے اس بادل سے گزرتے ہو ، آپ کی جلد کا ہر انچ جو آپ کو بے نقاب کر رہا تھا اس کو جذب کر رہے ہیں جس کا مطلب خوشبو ہے نئے سیکنڈ دھواں کی طرح ہے. مثال کے طور پر ، اگر آپ کسی دفتر میں بیٹھے ہوئے ہیں ، اور آپ خود خوشبو نہیں پہنتے ہیں کیونکہ آپ phthalates کے endocrine- خلل ڈالنے والے اثرات نہیں چاہتے ہیں ، لیکن ہم کہتے ہیں کہ آپ ہیں… دفتر میں موجود دوسرے افراد خوشبودار پہنے ہوئے ہیں … اور یہ صرف عطر ہی نہیں ہے ، عطر ایک واضح ہے ، عطر اور آفٹر شیو بھی عیاں ہے ، لیکن یہ غیر اعلانیہ deodorant ہے۔ یہ باڈی لوشن ہے۔ یہ میک اپ ہے۔ یہ ہیئر سپرے ہے۔ یہ بہت سی دوسری چیزیں ہیں۔

اور اس طرح ، اگر آپ کے آفس میں کوئی اسے پہنے ہوئے ہے تو ، آپ کو بے نقاب کردیا جائے گا حالانکہ آپ خود ہی اس سے اتفاق نہیں کرتے تھے۔ اور آپ کو “نہیں” کہنے کے لئے کافی تعلیم دی گئی تھی اور آپ غیر منحصر مصنوعات جیسے لانڈری ڈٹرجنٹ ، ڈرائر شیٹس استعمال کررہے ہیں ، ان سب چیزوں میں فلاٹیٹ ہیں۔ ہمارے گھروں میں ابھی صرف اینڈوکرائن میں خلل ڈالنے والے کیمیکل پمپ ہیں جو بہت سی چیزوں میں حصہ ڈال رہے ہیں۔ صرف بلوغت کی بلوغت ہی نہیں ، وہ اس میں حصہ ڈال رہے ہیں… وہ آپ کو موٹا بناتے ہیں۔ وہ آپ کو ذیابیطس اور دیگر صحت سے متعلق مسائل کا شکار ہیں۔

اور یہ بھی ، میں یہ بتانا چاہتا تھا کہ اینڈوکرائن سوسائٹی ، جو دنیا کی میڈیکل اینڈ ریسرچ اینڈو کرائنولوجسٹ کی دنیا کی سب سے بڑی پیشہ ور انجمن ہے۔ لہذا یہ بہت روایتی ڈاکٹر ہیں ، اور یہاں تک کہ وہ تختہ پر آگئے ہیں اور وہ اختتام پذیر ہونے والے کیمیائی اثرات کو کم کرنے کو ان کا اعلٰی صحت عامہ قرار دیتے ہیں۔ لہذا ، جب وہ اس کے ساتھ چند سال قبل سامنے آئے تھے ، آپ جانتے ہو ، یہ بہت گہرا تھا کہ اسے ہر جگہ پہچانا جارہا ہے۔

تو پھر ، دوسرا جس کے بارے میں میں بات کرنا چاہتا ہوں وہ ہے بیسفینولز ، بیسفینول اے ، بی پی اے۔ اور بی پی اے پلاسٹک کا بھی ایک حصہ ہے اور بلوغت کے خطرے سے دوچار ہونا۔ اور یہ پولی کاربونیٹ پانی کے برتنوں میں پایا جاتا ہے۔ یہ تھرمل رسیدوں میں پایا جاتا ہے۔ حرارتی رسیدیں دراصل اس کا ایک بہت بڑا ذریعہ ہے۔ اور جیسے ففلیٹوں کی طرح ، یہ کیمیکل بنیادی مادے پر بہت مضبوطی سے پابند نہیں ہے۔ اور صرف اس کو چھونے سے ، یہ بات سیکنڈوں میں ثابت ہوچکی ہے ، اگر آپ اس شخص کا خون لے جاتے ہیں جو سیکنڈ کے اندر ، بہت زیادہ نہیں ہوتا ہے تو ، آپ کو بلڈ اسٹریم میں بی پی اے ہوتا ہے۔ لہذا ، چیزیں آسانی سے منتقل ہو جاتی ہیں ، بی پی اے تھرمل رسید سے آپ کی جلد ، آپ کے جسم میں منتقل ہوتا ہے۔ اور اگر آپ نے رسید سنبھالنے سے پہلے ہینڈ سینیٹائزر کا استعمال کیا ہے تو ، آپ کو اپنے خون میں تقریبا about 10 گنا زیادہ بی پی اے ملتا ہے کیونکہ ہاتھ سے صاف کرنے والے میں ایسی چیزیں شامل ہوتی ہیں جن کو دخول بڑھانے والے نام سے جانا جاتا ہے۔

اور یہ ان دنوں کے بارے میں سوچنے کی بات ہے کیونکہ ہاتھوں سے صاف کرنے والے کے استعمال میں اضافہ ہوا ہے۔ تو ، آپ کو تھرمل رسیدیں کہاں سے ملتی ہیں؟ آپ انہیں ہر جگہ ، گروسری اسٹور ، بینک ، پوسٹ آفس میں ڈھونڈیں گے ، اگر آپ کو گیس اسٹیشن پر رسید مل جاتی ہیں ، آپ جانتے ہو ، ایئر لائن کے ٹکٹ۔ وہ ہر جگہ ، فاسٹ فوڈ کے مقامات ، دوسرے ریستوراں میں بہت زیادہ ہیں۔ لیکن یہاں بات یہ ہے ، ہمیں ان کو قبول کرنے کی ضرورت نہیں ہے۔ تو ، صرف نہیں کہتے ہیں۔ جب تک آپ کوئی ایسی چیز نہیں خرید رہے ہیں جو آپ کو لوٹانی پڑسکتی ہے ، آپ جانتے ہو ، آپ صرف اتنا کہہ سکتے ہیں ، کیا آپ کو اپنے ریستوران کے کھانے کی رسید کی ضرورت ہے؟ اپنے فون پر اس کی تصویر لیں یا اسے آپ کو ای میل کریں۔ یہ نہیں ہے… ان چیزوں کو لینے سے آپ کو فائدہ نہیں ہوتا ہے۔

اور پھر خاص طور پر خواتین کے لئے دوسرا مسئلہ یہ ہے کہ جب ہم ان رسیدوں کو اپنے پرس میں رکھتے ہیں تو ، بی پی اے ابھی آرہا ہے اور آپ کے پرس میں موجود ہر چیز کو چھو رہا ہے۔ اور جب آپ اپنے سیل فون ، یا اپنے شیشے ، یا بٹوے کو تلاش کرنے کے لئے اپنے پرس میں ہاتھ رکھتے ہیں ، ہر بار جب آپ اپنے پرس میں ہاتھ ڈالتے ہیں تو ، آپ صرف اپنے ہاتھوں کو بی پی اے کے ساتھ لیپت کرتے ہیں۔ اور اس طرح ، میں ابھی ابھی یہ نوک چھوڑوں گا تاکہ میں اسے فراموش نہیں کروں گا۔ لیکن میں جو کچھ اپنے مریضوں سے کر رہا ہوں وہ خواتین ہی ہیں ، میں انہیں گھر میں اپنا پرس خالی کروا دیتا ہوں ، تمام رسیدوں سے جان چھڑاتا ہوں ، ایک کپڑا جو گرم پانی سے گیلے ہو ، لے لو ، پرس کے اندر کا صفایا کرو ، ہر چیز کا صفایا کرو ، ہر ایک … پرس ، فون ، میک اپ کٹ ، سب کچھ۔ اور پھر ، ایک زپلوک بیگ یا اس طرح کی کوئی چیز حاصل کریں اور اپنے پرس میں رکھیں۔ اور اگر آپ کو رسید لازمی ہے تو ، اسے اپنے زپلوک بیگ میں رکھیں اور اپنے پرس میں کسی اور چیز کو چھونے سے الگ کریں۔

اب ، مردوں کے لئے ، وہ دریافت کر رہے ہیں ، آپ جانتے ہیں ، وہی ہوتا ہے۔ آدمی اسے اپنے بٹوے میں ڈالتا ہے۔ تو ، اب پیسہ بی پی اے اور بی پی ایس سے آلودہ ہے۔ لہذا ، آپ جانتے ہو ، یہ ایسی چیز ہے جس سے اجتناب واقعی یہاں کلیدی حیثیت رکھتا ہے۔ آپ کو بی پی اے سے واقعی محتاط اور آگاہ رہنا ہوگا۔ یہ کپٹی ہے۔ سی ڈی سی کئی دہائیوں سے ہمارے خون میں کیمیکلوں کا سراغ لگا رہی ہے۔ اور آخری گنتی میں ، یہ ایسا ہی ہے جیسے بی پی اے 95 فیصد امریکی لوگوں میں تھا ، حالانکہ ان کی نصف عمر بہت ہی مختصر ہے۔ لہذا ، اگر یہ 95٪ امریکیوں میں پایا گیا ہے ، تو اس کا مطلب صرف اتنا ہے کہ ہم اتنے سراسر بے نقاب ہیں کہ آپ ہمارا خون کسی بھی وقت لے سکتے ہیں اور ہمارے پاس اس کی وجہ صرف اس وجہ سے ہوگی ، آپ جانتے ہو ، جس چیز کی وجہ سے ہمیں دو دن تک بے نقاب کیا گیا تھا۔ پہلے ، وہ چلا گیا لیکن اب جو چیزیں ہمارے سامنے آرہی تھیں ، اب وہیں پر ہے۔

تو ، بی پی اے کی کہانی میرے پاس تھی… آپ جانتے ہو ، میرے پاس ایک مریض ہے ، ہمیں واقعی محتاط رہنا چاہئے کیونکہ بعض اوقات مجھے ایسے مریض مل جاتے ہیں جو اپنے ماحول میں کچھ چیزوں کو دیکھ رہے ہوتے ہیں ، جیسے پانی کی فراہمی اور یہ کہتے ہوئے ، “میں بہتر کام کرسکتا ہوں۔ ” ہاں ، ہم سب بہتر سے بہتر کام کرسکتے ہیں۔ تو ، یہ اچھا ہے۔ اور پھر وہ پانی صاف کرنے والے ایک سے اس کا آرڈر دے رہے تھے ، میں ان کا نام نہیں لوں گا ، جو باقاعدگی کے مطابق آپ کے گھر پہنچاتے ہیں۔ اور پاک ہوجاتا ہے ، اور پھر آپ ان کی ویب سائٹ پر پانی تلاش کرسکتے ہیں اور دیکھ سکتے ہیں کہ اس میں کیا ہے اور اس میں کیا نہیں ہے۔ اور یہ واقعی دلچسپ ہے۔ میں نے اس خاص پانی کو دیکھا ، یہ دراصل تھا… یہ بہت اچھا پانی تھا۔ لیکن تمام کنٹینر پولی کاربونیٹ ، بی پی اے سے بنے تھے۔ اور اس طرح ، آپ نہیں جانتے کہ وہ پانی ، کتنا اچھا پانی ، آپ کو معلوم ہے کہ یہ بی پی اے کو چھوتے ہوئے کتنے دن بیٹھا ہے جو اس میں آرہا ہے۔

جب وہ ان ٹرکوں کو پہنچائے جاتے ہیں تو آپ کو معلوم نہیں ہوتا کہ وہ وہاں پر کتنے عرصے تک موجود ہیں۔ آپ نہیں جانتے کہ وہ گودام میں کسی شیلف پر کتنے دن بیٹھتے تھے اس سے پہلے کہ وہ آپ کو بھیجا جائے۔ اور دلچسپ بات یہ ہے کہ میں نے کمپنی کو اس بارے میں بات کرنے کے لئے بلایا ہے ، بنیادی طور پر ان سے یہ پوچھنا کہ کیا وہ اس بات سے بخوبی واقف تھے کہ یہ اچھا خیال نہیں ہے ، اور انہوں نے بنیادی طور پر کہا ، “ہاں ، ہمیں معلوم ہے کہ ہمارے کنٹینرز میں بی پی اے موجود ہے۔ تاہم ، ہمیں نہیں لگتا کہ وہاں صحت کا مسئلہ ہے۔ اور اسی طرح ہم ہیں… آپ کو معلوم ہے ، ہم ابھی بھی اسے استعمال کرنے والے ہیں۔ اور اس طرح ، وہ واقعی سائنس پر نہیں جاسکتے ہیں۔ اور یہ واقعی ، بدقسمتی سے ، ماںوں پر ہے کہ ہم اپنا اپنا ایف ڈی اے بنیں اور ہم اپنے گھروں میں جس چیز کی اجازت دیتے ہیں اس کے بارے میں زیادہ سمجھدار بنیں۔ اور اسی وجہ سے… تو ، پانی صاف کرنے کا خیال ایک اچھا خیال ہے۔ پانیوں میں بہت گھٹیا ہے۔

میں پوری طرح سے صحت مند ہو گیا ہوں۔ اور میری… بات چیت میں سے ایک جس پر میں نے سب سے زیادہ مثبت رائے حاصل کی ہے وہی ایک ہے جس پر میں نے کہا ، “ہمارے پانی میں کیا ہے؟” آپ اس پر یقین نہیں کریں گے۔ لیکن بہر حال ، لہذا ، پانی کے ساتھ ، آپ کسی بھی طرح کا بوتل والا پانی نہیں پینا چاہتے ، چاہے آپ کتنا ہی اچھا سمجھتے ہو کہ پانی اندر سے سمجھا جاتا ہے۔ آپ پانی چاہتے ہیں جو شیشے کی بوتل میں ہو۔ اور یہ واقعی اہم ہے۔ اور یہ وہ چیز ہے جو بطور کنبہ… اور ویسے بھی ، جب میں ایک جوان ماں تھی ، مجھے یہ نہیں معلوم تھا۔ اور اس طرح یہ ایک ایسی چیز تھی جسے نظرانداز کیا گیا تھا۔ لیکن شکر ہے کہ ، بالآخر میں اس کے لئے ایک ریورس اوسموس واٹر سسٹم حاصل کرنے میں کامیاب ہوگیا اور اس کے بارے میں فکر کرنے کی ضرورت نہیں تھی۔ اور اسی طرح ، ہمیں بس… جیسے کیٹی نے کہا ، تمہیں بس جہاں سے ہو وہاں سے شروع کرنا ہوگا۔ “اوہ ، افسوس میں ہوں… .. یہ کہنے میں کوئی غلطی نہیں ہے۔” نہیں ، آپ صرف وہیں سے شروع کریں جہاں آپ ہو۔ اور آپ بہتر فیصلہ کرتے ہیں اور پھر آپ آگے بڑھتے ہیں۔

کیٹی: بالکل۔ ٹھیک ہے ، اور ایسا لگتا ہے کہ میں صرف واٹر نوٹ پر کود پائے گا کیونکہ مجھے لگتا ہے کہ آپ ٹھیک ہیں۔ اور میرے پاس اس کے بارے میں پوسٹس ہیں جو میں شو نوٹوں کے ساتھ ساتھ wellnessmama.fm پر بھی لنک کرتا ہوں۔ اور میں جانتا ہوں کہ آپ کے پاس وسائل بھی ہیں۔ تو ، ان سب کو شو نوٹوں میں جوڑا جائے گا۔ لیکن جب میں نے اس کے بارے میں جاننا شروع کیا تو ، پلاسٹک سے چھٹکارا پانا اتنا زبردست لگتا ہے۔ اور میں 80-20 قاعدہ کا ایک بڑا پرستار ہوں۔ لہذا ، ذاتی طور پر ، میرے لئے ، میں نے موجودہ تحقیق کی بنیاد پر یہ معلوم کیا ، جیسے آپ کے ذکر کردہ نمائش کے سب سے بڑے ذرائع ، ہوا کے ذریعے سانس لینا ، اور ہماری پانی کی فراہمی ، اور خاص طور پر پلاسٹک کی پانی کی بوتلیں ، جو سیارے کے لئے بھیانک ہیں۔ لہذا ، ہم نے پانی کے فلٹر کو حاصل کرنے کو ترجیح دی ، دراصل ایک پورا گھر فلٹر ہمارے پاس ہے ، اور سنک فلٹر کے تحت ، اور دوبارہ استعمال کے قابل دھات کے پانی کی بوتلیں استعمال کرنے میں سوئچ ہے ، جو کہ ماحول دوست بھی ہے۔ اور یہی ایک تبدیلی ہے جو ایک بڑا ، بڑا ، بڑا فرق بناتی ہے۔

اور اس طرح اگر ہم عام طور پر ڈسپوزایبل واحد استعمال شدہ پلاسٹک کے پینے سے دور ہوسکتے ہیں ، تو یہ ایک بہت بڑی چیز ہے۔ ہم اپنے گھر میں ایئر فلٹرز بھی لگاتے ہیں اور یقینا airایئر فریسنرز کا استعمال نہیں کرتے ہیں اور باورچی خانے میں پلاسٹک فری چیزوں پر سوئچ کرتے ہیں۔ اور میرے پاس وسائل ہیں کہ لوگوں کو ان سبھی لوگوں کو چلانے میں مدد ملے۔ لیکن ایک بار پھر ، یہ ہے کہ آپ اس میں جو بھی اضافی تبدیلی لائیں گے وہ ایک بہت بڑی بات ہے ، خاص طور پر جب ہم بچوں کے بارے میں بات کرتے ہیں۔ اور اس کا مطلب یہ نہیں کہ آپ کو رات بھر یہ کام کرنا پڑے ، آپ جانتے ہو۔ یہ یقینی طور پر ایک عمل ہوسکتا ہے ، لیکن یقینا باخبر رہنا یہ ایک اہم عمل ہے۔

ڈاکٹر ٹھیک: ہاں۔ اور اسی طرح ، جب آپ گھر میں بچے رکھتے ہو تو ، اس پر آپ اپنی توجہ مرکوز کرنا چاہتے ہیں ، مجھے لگتا ہے کہ ہم آپ کو کیسے واپس لوٹنا چاہتے ہیں… آپ ان بچوں کے ساتھ کیا کرتے ہیں جن میں بلوغت کی بلوغت ہوتی ہے؟ آپ کو دیکھنا ہوگا ، “اوہ میرے گوش ، میں نے اس ایک کمپنی کو فون کرنا ہے۔” ٹھیک ہے ، شاید نام سے نہیں۔ لیکن مجھے لگتا ہے کہ ہمیں واقعی گہری نظر ڈالنی ہوگی کہ ہمارے گھروں میں کیا ہے کیونکہ یہی وہ جگہ ہے جہاں آپ ماؤں کی حیثیت سے ہوتے ہیں ، اسی وجہ سے ہم سب سے زیادہ فرق ڈالتے ہیں۔ گھر ہمارا ڈومین ہے۔ اور ہم وہ ہیں جو اسے اپنی مرضی کے مطابق ترتیب دینے میں کامیاب ہیں۔ اور اسی طرح ، ہم واقعی میں چاہتے ہیں… جیسے آپ نے کہا ، کیٹی ، ہم واقعی میں تمام پلاسٹک کو ختم کرنا چاہتے ہیں ، اور تمام خوشبودار۔

سچ میں ، مجھے لگتا ہے کہ ہمارے گھر میں پلاسٹک اور خوشبو ، وہ دو… اور زیادہ دھول ڈالیں ، کیونکہ میں نے شعلہ خوروں اور دیگر تمام چیزوں کے بارے میں بھی بات نہیں کی جو آپ کے گھر کی خاک میں ہیں۔ لیکن مجھے یقین ہے کہ ، ہفتے میں دو بار دھول چڑھانا ، پلاسٹک سے چھٹکارا پانا ، آپ کے گھر کی خوشبو والی اشیا سے نجات پانا ، اور نامیاتی کھانا ، یہ چیزیں آپ کے بچوں میں واقعی چیزوں کو محدود کرنے کے لئے واقعی اہم ثابت ہوسکتی ہیں جو انڈوکرائن میں خلل ڈالنے والے ہیں۔ اور ہم نے واقعی کیڑے مار دواؤں کے بارے میں بات نہیں کی ہے ، لیکن میں یہاں کچھ شامل کرنا چاہتا ہوں۔ کیڑے مار دوائیں کم بچوں کے ذہانت کو دکھایا گیا ہے۔ اور جانوروں کی سلطنت میں ، وہ ہیرمفروڈائٹ میڑک دیکھ رہے ہیں ، اور نسائی اثر کی وجہ سے آرہے ہیں۔

ہم واقعی زیادہ لڑکوں کے بارے میں بات نہیں کرتے تھے۔ لیکن ہمارے ہاں لڑکیوں میں بلوغت کی بلوغت اور ماحول میں کیمیکلز کے ذریعہ لڑکوں کی نسائی سازی کا ایک جڑواں مسئلہ ہے جو ایسٹروجن کی طرح کام کرتا ہے۔ اور اسی طرح ، کیڑے مار دوا ایک ایسی گاڑی ہے جو یہ کرتی ہے۔ لیکن یہ بھی ، phthalates لڑکوں پر نسائی لگ رہی ہے۔ اور مطالعے سے پتہ چلتا ہے کہ مرد شیر خوار مردوں کا تناسل تبدیل کر رہے ہیں۔ اور جس طرح سے اس کا رخ بدلا ہے وہ یہ ہے کہ اس مرد بچے کی نسبت ظاہر ہو رہی ہے ، جو آپ جانتے ہو ، ہمارے ماؤں کے بارے میں جو ماؤں کے پہلے ہی بچے ہیں ، شاید اس لمحے اس سے متعلق نہیں ہوں گے ، لیکن میں آپ کو بتاؤں گا کہ یہ کہاں سے متعلق ہے۔

ماؤں ، کیا آپ نے دیکھا ہے کہ وہ اب ہمارے نوعمر لڑکوں کو مارکیٹنگ کر رہے ہیں؟ وہ ان مصنوعات کی مارکیٹنگ کررہے ہیں ، جسم کی خوشبو والی مصنوعات۔ اور مارکیٹنگ بہت ، سختی سے تجویز کر رہی ہے ، مثال کے طور پر ، آپ جانتے ہیں ، اگر لڑکے ان مصنوعات کو استعمال کرتے ہیں تو ، وہ نہ صرف ایک لڑکی بلکہ دو لڑکیاں حاصل کرسکتے ہیں۔ میرا مطلب ہے ، میرے پاس یہ میری سلائیڈز میں اپنے ڈاکٹروں کے لئے ہے ، یہ واقعی جنگلی ہے۔ اور یہ مصنوعات ، اگر آپ ان کو غور سے دیکھیں تو ، ان میں نہ صرف فیتھالیٹ ہوتے ہیں ، وہ اتنے سخت خوشبو والے ہوتے ہیں ، ان میں بہت سے فلاٹیٹ ہوتے ہیں۔ اور phthalates میں کمی آ رہی ہے ٹیسٹوسٹیرون. لہذا ، آپ نہیں کر سکتے ہیں … اس مسئلے سے لڑکے میں بلوغت کی بلوغت پیدا نہیں ہوسکتی ہے ، لیکن ٹیسٹوسٹیرون کی کمی یقینی طور پر مرد کی غیر معمولی نشوونما کا باعث بنتی ہے۔

اور اسی طرح ، یہ ایک اور چیز ہے جس پر ہم اپنے گھروں پر غور کرنا چاہتے ہیں۔ ہم ٹیسٹوسٹیرون اور نطفہ شمار میں کمی کے بارے میں سوچنا چاہتے ہیں۔ اور ، میرا مطلب ہے ، لڑکوں اور لڑکیوں دونوں میں تولیدی اعضاء اور سسٹم کچھ عرصے سے حملہ آور ہوئے ہیں۔ اور ہم ابھی ابھی اس کی مزید چیزیں دیکھنا شروع کر رہے ہیں۔ تروی گلوبل کے لئے میں نے کچھ سال پہلے ایک مضمون لکھا تھا ، اس میں جہاں میں بنیادی طور پر… اس کا عنوان ، اگر آپ اسے دیکھنا چاہتے ہیں تو ، “دستانی کی کہانی حقیقت بن جاتی ہے۔” کیونکہ یہ ایک ایمی ایوارڈ یافتہ ٹی وی شو ہے جس میں یہ ظاہر ہوتا ہے کہ جب انھوں نے کیڑے مار ادویات اور کیمیکلز سے اپنے ماحول کو آلودہ کیا۔ اور اب انہیں دوبارہ تولید میں پریشانی ہو رہی ہے۔

They have to get the handmaids in to be…someone who has been proven to have been able to carry a child. Basically they’re outsourcing the baby-making, right? And this show is incredibly popular. And it boggles the imagination because people act like it’s entertainment, but it’s really not because this is what we’re seeing in our patient population. We’re seeing a rise in infertility and a rise in assisted fertility techniques. And we’re seeing a rise in birth defects and a rise in, you know, developmental problems in our children. And so, all of this is stemming from these chemicals that have insidious negative implications at teeny-tiny doses, but that we’re getting those teeny-tiny doses all the time.

And that’s why, Katie, I wanna…you did say something that I do wanna kind of pounce on here. Air filters. Love air filters. 20 years ago when I started practicing medicine, I used to recommend them for my asthmatic patients. Not anymore. I think everybody should have them in their homes, in their bedrooms, in their children’s bedrooms. So, at least when you’re sleeping, you are able to filter out many of these things. We do not have good air. And the air in your home is between 5 and 10 times more toxic than your outdoor air, which is super toxic, and that’s because your home is off-gassing a lot of different things.

But that’s…we’re getting a little bit away from what we were talking about. But I wanted to bring that in too because you mentioned it. So, air filters, avoiding plastic, avoiding scented products, dusting really well, vacuuming with a really good vacuum cleaner. Most of them are just, I don’t know if you’re aware of that, they are just…you vacuum and then it’s like the dust just kind of goes out of the bag. You’re not…you’ve gotta have a good HEPA filter in there, so that when you are vacuuming you are truly getting rid and capturing the dust particles because the dust in your home is toxic. And then pesticide-free is something that you want to also focus on.

Katie: Totally agree. And I think, when it comes to endocrine disrupters and hormones in general, you know, getting rid of the bad stuff is a very important, big huge part of the equation. And then once you tackle that step, it’s then figuring out ways to support the body as well. Because I think it’s a balance when you’re talking about holistic health of removing the bad and then giving the body the good. And so, I think that’s another key area I would love to talk about and hear your thoughts. And a few of the things I’ve noticed and I do have kids in the almost puberty age, I haven’t had any, like, make that jump yet, we’re right on the cusp of it.

And so, thinking of things like supporting the body nutritionally with tons of micronutrients during that time, especially we know things like leafy greens bind to extra estrogen in the body. So, we wanna make sure our kids are getting a wide variety of different sources of micronutrients from ideally fresh local produce whenever possible. And just being cognizant of them getting enough nutrients because puberty, of course, is a time of increased demand on the body and very rapid growth. But I’m curious if you have any dietary or supplementation recommendations for both supporting kids from not going through puberty too early, which of course, you know, avoid processed foods and foods that contain plastic, like we talked about, but then also when it is the right time for them to go through puberty, how can we nutritionally support them best through that process?

Dr. Fine: I recommend, and this is kind of an area that I didn’t focus on too much before, but when I said no plastic, that includes processed foods that are packaged in plastic. Because in Puerto Rico years ago, they were finding premature puberty in female girls. They were finding little girls sprouting breasts, and getting their periods at 2, 3, and 4 years old. So, that is way worse than what we’re seeing here, right? And so, they tested these girls in Puerto Rico, what on earth is causing that? And they discovered it was phthalates, okay. And so, what they discovered, they had to kind of be detectives and say, “Well, where are the phthalates coming from?”

And one of the things they concluded was that Puerto Rico is an island, everything is shipped in, and everything is shipped in covered in plastic, plastic, plastic, plastic. So, your food being covered in plastic, your meats, your fat, fatty products like meats are being covered in plastic. You want to eat fresh. Well, okay, let’s just go back to the meat. If you’re buying meat, I recommend buying the grass-fed organic kinds of meats from the kind of place where it hasn’t been sitting there in a case wrapped in plastic styrofoam on the bottom and plastic on top. Go to the kind of store that is just sitting open in a case. And then you can wrap it, or the butcher will wrap it in a butcher paper. And then, you know, you take it home and you cook it. And then that way, it’s not just sitting in all of those wrappings of plastic for so long. So, I do recommend that.

Whole foods, fresh fruits, and vegetables for sure. I see that the children today are not really getting very many. And the problem is, as you alluded to, our detoxification systems in our bodies, they run on nutrients. The nutrients are the cofactors that…we have detoxification enzymes in our bodies, and if you are nutritionally deficient in some of them, they’re just not gonna run. And so, by saturating their diets with the micronutrients and the greens, in particular, I really like the dark leafy greens, but I really like broccoli, garlic is really good for supporting detox enzymes. I’m not a big fan of a lot of kale because kale is high in thallium, which is a heavy metal. And I’m seeing that the people who are eating a lot of green smoothies, because, of course, I test my patients, right? And so, a lot of the green smoothie eaters are coming up super high in thallium. And thallium is a very toxic heavy metal, and it’s in our organic and commercial kale now.

And why is it there? Because certain chemicals are polluting the agricultural water. And when you say a vegetable or fruit is being grown organically, those organic standards do not include the kind of water that’s being used. So, I’m having people be careful with kale right now. But I do love the isocyanides, I like the cruciferous vegetables. I like the cauliflower, the garlic, the berries are always really important, anthocyanidins and berries are really important for detox and good health. And so, your colored, I just said colored vegetables and I just realized cauliflower is white. The colored fruits and vegetables are what you really want to emphasize but cauliflower, it turns out, is a superfood, so don’t let the white color fool you. Just make sure you get plenty of other colored fruits and vegetables in there as well.

And then I have people stay away from sweetened drinks, even fruit drinks. I don’t like…I think having kids drink predominantly water is the way to go, purified water. And by the way, we need…your liver requires water to detoxify properly. And if you are dehydrated, you cannot detoxify properly. And I see a lot of people just not drinking enough water. I would have to say, most of the people I see are dehydrated. And so, let’s not forget that because that’s so simple, make your kids drink water.

So, did you have any other questions about the food? And then, of course…oh, one more thing, I do wanna say this, the food supply has gotten contaminated as well, not just with pesticides and herbicides. Do you know that the almonds are now being fumigated with propylene oxide? And I test for that. And so, I see that in my patients too. I just…it is just kind of criminal, people are eating almonds thinking they’re good, that there’s FDA requirement, that they’ve gotta be fumigated and that’s kind of a nightmare. So, you have to be…you have to really do your homework and find the clean foods.

And sometimes the animal foods are the most highly contaminated with something called POP, persistent organic pollutants like PCBs. And so, you want to make sure that even if you are a meat-eating family, you want to make sure that those meats, like if you’re gonna give salmon, it’s gotta be wild salmon because the farm salmon is the highest source of PCBs in the diet. And butter is the next one. Butter, the epidemiologists, when they go into a new area and they want to sort of get a quick and dirty idea of how much PCBs are contaminating that area, they will test the local butter. And that would be something that’s not dependent on whether or not that butter is organic. Because it’s not a pesticide, it’s something that is, even though PCBs have been banned since the ’70s, they’re in our earth’s soil and water, and the cows are eating grass off of the earth.

So, it’s not something that just getting organic butter is gonna make sure you don’t get any PCBs. So, animal products are the high…and they’ve shown this in all the…when they look at women who are vegan versus women who are not, one of the big differences they see is persistent organic pollutants. The vegans who aren’t eating animal products are really far cleaner from that one thing. So, you wanna make sure there’s plenty of plant foods in the diet. And if you’re going to eat the meat, you want to get as clean as you can with as few wrappings as you can.

Katie: Exactly. Yeah. I think those are all very, very important tips.

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Before we move on, just to kind of piggyback on what you just said. I think a couple of other areas as parents that we can focus on that are really helpful are, one area right now of emerging research is, for instance, light exposure. And this is an area people tend to maybe discount because we can’t see the immediate effects or feel them as drastically as what we can feel what we eat, but there’s all kinds of research about exposure to artificial light at certain times of day impacting hormone levels. And also lack of exposure to natural light, and how that can affect proper hormone patterns. And this is true in adults and also in children.

And so, I always try to mention this to parents because if you were talking about young children, fixing light patterns can really help their sleep quality and how long they sleep. If you’re talking about teenagers, same thing, but it can also have an impact on those hormone shifts. And then for us as adults, we can see, and eye measuring can see differences in sleep quality. So, a tip there, I say is if possible, get outside and get your kids outside for at least half an hour as soon as possible after waking up because that natural light can signal important receptors in the back of the eye that are really important for not just circadian hormones like melatonin, but also for the proper hormone cycles, whether it be in children or adults.

And the same thing with avoiding artificial light at night. So this is another form of indoor pollution that often gets ignored, but when kids are getting exposure to blue light late into the evening, it confuses their body’s natural hormone responses. So, avoiding screens, using natural forms of light that don’t have blue light after dark, that’s been another key that was really helpful to us. I’m curious if you have any tips as well for exercise because we know the stats that kids today are not moving as much as kids in previous generations, but then there’s also evidence that, you know, too much exercise too young can be harmful. So, when we’re talking about balancing hormones and supporting kids in these different ages, any advice for what types of exercise to focus on with them?

Dr. Fine: Oh, the exercise thing kind of plays right into what I said at the beginning of our talk where rising levels of fat and obesity is also contributing to precocious puberty. And so, it’s very true once they took the physical ed out of the school, and the kids got really invested in their devices. Childhood Education has really dropped off a cliff and I don’t think that’s healthy. And by the way, you know, exercise is good for…it’s good for brain development, and it’s good for so many different things. I think, one of the things I’ve seen as a mother too is that the kids who…right now I’m talking girls, most girls and boys do some sort of sport when they’re young like soccer. And what I noticed in the girls who once they hit puberty, they stopped and didn’t pick up anything else, versus the ones who stuck with it or picked up a different sport, the girls who stopped are the ones who, honestly, by the end of high school they were already kind of plumping up, right?

And if you look back over, you know, my childhood, for example, there just wasn’t…kids just played from the time…they had recess at school and then they played from the time they got home till it got dark. There was so much exercise in a day. And I believe, as human beings, we evolved on a lot of exercise. Now, it wasn’t…as you alluded to, it wasn’t like training for marathons every day, that’s too much. But it was movement. And it was outside in the sunlight because I am seeing that research on natural sunlight on our skin. And it is very important not just for vitamin D, but those that full-spectrum lighting from the sun has health benefits that we’re just now beginning to understand.

So, I’m a big advocate of kids spending a lot of time outside playing. It might not even be a sport, but you can play outside when you’re little. It could be a sport. I don’t like sports with the head injuries, like the heading in soccer. I’m not a big fan of head injuries, like, from football or soccer or things like that. But having said that, I like soccer because, you know, there’s running and kicking, I think that’s a good sport. So, I think it should…if they’re not athletically inclined, I think riding a bicycle or playing outside is highly, highly recommended. And by the way, exercise is important for detox as well. It’s part of the things that you’re increasing circulation. Hopefully, there’s some sweating and that’s how you can dump some of your toxins out. But exercise and sunlight are very, very important.

The blue light thing is really key too because the kids are staying on their devices late into the night, and then that messes up their sleep. And you’ve got to have proper sleep. At any stage in your life, you’ve gotta have proper sleep or your body doesn’t work right. Guess what’s one of the things our bodies do in sleep? They detox. There’s no…they don’t have to metabolize or digest your food. They don’t have to, like, send energy to your limbs to move. Your body is working on detox while you sleep. Your skin, your brain is detoxing while you sleep. And so, we have to naturally maximize our body’s ability to detox on its own, as well as avoid the things that we know are gonna make us go in the wrong direction. And then thirdly, we need to buckle down and just, you know, get the proper guidance to do a really good detoxification several times, I would say, in your life.

Katie: Definitely. Yeah, I definitely agree with that. Are there any supplements offhand that come to mind that can help either with avoiding precocious puberty or that are helpful during puberty? And I know, I got one question from a reader. There’s an additive called inositol I think that’s used in certain teen multivitamins, and if that’s safe or recommended or not? I know my default with my kids right now is to focus on just gut health, so I give them high-quality probiotics and prebiotics. And then also, just supporting again from a nutrient perspective with as much whole foods as possible, and making sure they’re getting enough protein which supports proper hormones, but any other suggestions you would make?

Dr. Fine: You know, it’s really difficult to make a broad-spectrum recommendation for supplements. Because when I see children in my practice, it’s like they’re coming to me for a reason, and so everything I do is very specific to that one person. And so, to come up with something broad-spectrum and say everybody should take this. Really, I think, a probiotic is a good idea, Katie. I think gut health is super important. But beyond that, I’m a little bit…especially with the kids, I really like to push the good food, the nutritious food like you are. I really like to push that and not… I remember using, like, powdered greens, you know, with my kids and powdered fruit. I did use something like that. But without knowing what… I mean, the kids today are really having a lot of health challenges. And so, a lot of them could benefit from supplements. But to just say every kid, every preteen or teen needs a certain supplement, I don’t think I would be comfortable with that. Except for probiotics, I think that you could make a strong case for that. And, you know, as long as it was a really good one.

Katie: Absolutely. And I will also say one that I do with my kids, I order at-home tests for vitamin D. So, even if you’re not, can take the kids in for a full workup which I actually would recommend that as well, but I do test all of my kids for vitamin D and then make sure they’re either getting in the sun or getting vitamin D. Because we know vitamin D is actually a pre-hormone, not just a vitamin, and so that one seems extremely essential for proper hormone regulation. I’m guessing you probably see that in your patients as well, low vitamin D levels correlating with hormone issues.

Dr. Fine: Well, what I see, I’ve practiced in Arizona and Southern California for my whole 20-year practice. And I just was so shocked to see how low everybody’s vitamin D was. I just, I mean, we’re in sunny areas, I just can’t understand it, except that nobody’s outside. But, yes. Yes, I have seen that and there are other issues with low vitamin D having to do with immune status and immune health that are also very important. I’m curious with your…well, you probably don’t wanna say, but the vitamin D issue is such a conundrum because I will tell you this, in Arizona, I used to have my patients commit to 10 minutes of sun on as much skin as they could bear around noon, which is a certain time of the day when certain rays were at its highest.

And, you know, 10 minutes, that’s not a lot. And, much to my surprise, when I retested them, it didn’t really bring it up. And I just found that shocking, that the vitamin D level… So, I will say that I’ve had to supplement lots…probably most of my patients with vitamin D supplementation, even though I theoretically and philosophically would rather people get it from the sun. For some reason, I’m not seeing sunlight producing the levels of vitamin D that I would like to see in people. And I mean, I’ve seen levels as low as 17 in my cancer patients, right? You know, that’s pretty low.

Katie: Yeah, I think this is definitely something that’s epidemic. And I know it’s controversial, but I do spend time daily in the sun, not ever to burn, but just to get vitamin D. And I think healthy sun exposure is really important. And I do that with my kids as well. But I’m also, I will supplement with vitamin D, and also along with it, vitamin K at times just if their levels are low. Just because I know how important that one is for the immune system, for hormones, for so many aspects of that. And we’re getting really close to the end of our time. We might have to do a whole other episode just on precocious puberty at some point, but I know there’s a lot…the other aspect of this that’s not just specifically health and lab-related is, how can we support our kids in this age with body image and emerging from puberty with a healthy body image on the other side? And I’m curious how you navigated that with your own kids, especially since I’m still in this phase and haven’t really figured it out totally myself yet.

Dr. Fine: Oh, that’s such a good subject. Oh, that is so, so tricky, because we’re fighting media portrayals of unattainable…especially for the girls, unattainable body images. And the girls are starting to think they’re fat as young as age 8 or 9. So, I have a daughter and a son, so I got to do both. I really…how did I do it? I just never focused on…I tried to build body confidence by looking at and praising how well the body works, like “Look at you run. Look at you go. Oh, you wanna take karate?” Really praising how the body functions as opposed to how it looks. And so, there really wasn’t in my bringing up my kids, there really wasn’t…I didn’t really emphasize, “Oh, you look so beautiful today.” Right? I didn’t really talk about. I didn’t really say that. I focused on other attributes.

And I think I did it on purpose because I know that even when I was growing up, there was all kinds of body image, and anorexia, and bulimia, and all of this stuff, and it seems to start…well, years ago, it started in teenagerhood, but now it’s like preteens and young teens are starting, men and women are starting to have these unrealistic ideas of how their body should look. I think that the media today is more accepting of diverse body types than ever before. And I think that’s really a good thing. But I would just focus on body functionality, body health, you know, other things instead of, “Did you gain weight?” You know, “That dress is looking really tight on you.” I would never point that out to a girl.

Katie: For sure. I have taken the same approach with my daughters and my sons. I’m just focusing on the body being an amazing, incredible tool and like a machine that we can use to do incredible things versus how it looks. And it’s sad, but I had to realize this and learn this lesson as an adult over even the last few years, I would say is when I finally actually learned it and started to love my own body for what it can do and not just how it looks, or what I perceived as how it didn’t look, how it was supposed to. And that’s even after growing six babies from scratch in my body, and all of these other things it had done. It took me being that old and working through a bunch of trauma to get to that point where I could actually appreciate it. So, I think the mindset piece is key as well. And hopefully, giving our kids a foundation to respect their bodies and to treat them well out of respect and love, not to pry them out of lack, it’s a big key.

Dr. Fine: Yes, I agree. Good job.

Katie: Awesome. Well, our interview has flown by. I know that you have a gift that you wanna give to the subscribers which I will put in the show notes that I don’t say your email or anything out loud and that you also have a course all about detoxification for people who this is very top of mind for whether it be preconception or precocious puberty, whatever it may be. So, those links will be in the show notes at wellnessmama.fm. And I know you’re also available online and at drannemariefine.com is that right?

Dr. Fine: Yeah, drannemariefine.com, that’s my website. And, yeah, I’m offering a complimentary 15-minute call to see if this is a good fit for exploring how a personalized detox can work for you. I’m also, on my website, I just wanna point out that my…the book that I wrote and the products that I have are in the realm of clean beauty. So that’s another passion for me, and something I didn’t bring up so much with the boys and girls. But, wow, if they’re putting stuff on their face, the girls’ makeup, especially the teen makeup is very toxic. And you’ve gotta take a really strong look at that. And the boys’ products are, like I mentioned, varying into a very, very disturbing trend. And so, we have to be careful with that too.

Katie: I agree. Well, thank you so much. This has been such an information-packed episode. Hopefully, it helps a lot of parents and a lot of teenagers and preteens as well. And I’m really appreciative of your time today.

Dr. Fine: Well, thanks, Katie. Thanks for having me. It was fun.

Katie: And thanks to all of you as always for listening, for sharing your most valuable asset, your time with both of us today. We’re very grateful that you did. And I hope that you will join me again on the next episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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