Can Our Soils Heal Us? With Leah Webb


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Katie: Hello and welcome to the Valence Mama Podcast. I’m from KatieWellinsma.com And this event is about regenerative agriculture and the fact that it translates to home gardening, and by using some principles, you can make your home garden easier, less care and more in your yard. Can make nutrients.

I’m here with Leah Webb, who has worked in nutrition and gardening since 2009 with a focus on engaging children in healthy eating habits, their experiential learning and discovery. She lives in the mountains of North Carolina with her husband and two children. And her son has a severe food allergy, and her daughter has cystic fibrosis, a genetic disease that affects the lungs and pancreas.

And she uses diet and home organic foods as part of the integration approach to caring for her children. She is the author of the Grain-Free, Sugar-Free, Milk-Free Family Cookbook, a comprehensive guide for families interested in implementing a Whole Foods diet.

And in this episode, we talk about how you can easily apply these principles in your home garden, even when space is limited. I know you will enjoy this episode as much as I did. So without further ado, join Leah. Leah, welcome. Thanks for being here.

Leah: Hey, thanks for having Katie.

Katie: I’m excited for this conversation because I think it’s really timely and important and one that is especially beneficial for us as a mom. So, to get you started, can you talk a little bit about why you started cooking from scratch and maximizing your food so much?

Leah: Yeah. So, as you mentioned, like a mother, eating can be a really important part of nurturing healthy children. And to me, after becoming a mother she took on this whole new meaning. I have a Master of Public Health and have worked in health for a long time. But then, when my two children were born, my son was born with severe food allergies and asthma, and then my daughter was born with cystic fibrosis, a genetic disease that affects the lungs and pancreas. And so, I was this healthy person who spent a lot of time focusing on his health and the health of others, I mean, doing workshops, and reaching different groups, and then I was here, all of a sudden, In your home you face these medical challenges.

And so, I set out on a diet I could use to help my kids better. So it’s not the only way I support them, but food is just one piece of their integrative care. And so, to help them do their best, what I found is that I really need to cook more than I need to. I really needed to overcome the list of ingredients that were going into their bodies. And then as I added more and developed a deeper understanding of the food and our eating system, I began to realize how these foods are actually grown and grown. As a result, there is a lot behind the quality of this product. Modes.

So, I’ve always been gardening. My mother was a gardener, her mother was a gardener. So this is something that has been going on in my house for generations. But it started to take on a new meaning because it was not just a hobby, and it was not just about working outdoors, it was not just a way to meet our eating budget, but it was so. ۔ Overcoming the quality of the food I was feeding my children. And so, now I have … I’m not exactly sure how many square feet of growing space I have, but it’s somewhere around 2,000 to 2,000 square feet. And I do a lot of perennials, fruit trees, and then I have a lot of annuals that I grow as well. We have 12 laying hens. So, being able to provide these foods to my family is just another piece I am using to help support their health.

Katie: That makes perfect sense. And I think this is something that I think people are really starting to understand and more information about. But to highlight what you just said about that not all foods are being created equal. In other words, as a zucchini grows in our home, for example, a zucchini can be very different from a store. And I know you’ve read some of those stats. But we’re talking about dramatic differences, well, as with most commercial farming, nutrients are lacking.

Leah: Yeah. And this is a really interesting topic because I think one of the things that we are absolutely sure about is that meat has a different nutrition profile. When you are looking at meat that is traditionally raised for feeding limited animals, cereals are fed compared to animals that have access to pasture. And thus, the nutrition profile for this meat, it is quite clear that the meat raised in the pasture has a better nutrition profile. What is not very clear is whether or not vegetables are used in these different ways or not. And the reason I say this is because of that … Therefore, the USCA released a report that said that over the past few decades, 43 different fruits and vegetables have been raised by them. The importance of less nutrition than the method has been shown.

The exact reason for this has not been widely agreed upon. So, some people say the reason for this is soil degradation, the way we are farming, we are losing soil, we are using this heavy synthetic fertilizer. But then, there are some arguments as well that we are choosing production and production-based varieties, and having the ability to transport them rather than selecting the flavored varieties. So, for example, if you’re talking about zucchini, zucchini is actually a really tender vegetable. So, to reach these plates for thousands of miles to reach your plate, and then hit them at the grocery store, and then send them back to your home, they have to choose the type of carriage that is more Yes. Soon. And as such, our variety selection really focuses on production and our ability to transport, rather than just focusing on these other points.

But I think the need to understand some of our needs is not so important. So, if you look at nutrition, the main thing is that we break the food down into portions. So, when we think about the nutritional value of food, we think of fats, proteins, carbohydrates, vitamins and minerals. But we also know that plants have phytonutrients and phytochemicals that can do things like they are anti-oxidant and they can be anti-carcinogen. And we don’t know what all these compounds do. I think this study is actually a new study. We do not even know what many of these compounds are. I mean that plants are producing thousands of compounds and we have identified only a fraction of them.

So, one of the things that is possible, this is one of the theories, is that the plants that are grown in healthy soil are in contact with the healthy microbial population that they need to create this diversity of phytochemicals Enabling And likewise, when you have healthy soil, you are likely to have a healthy plant. So, I think we have a tendency to break our diet into parts that we understand. Nevertheless, it is an even more important picture that whole foods have a profound effect on the body that may not be necessary to understand.

Katie: Yeah. I think this is such an important point, and it makes a lot of sense. I’m so glad we’re talking about things like soil microbiome. And where we lived in a farming area, I saw in my community how traditional farming happened. Particularly the rotation of corn, wheat, and soybeans and how they literally sprayed and minimized and sprayed and finished. And the soil was completely dead.

The difference between this soil and the soil in our garden was really, really dramatic. And I think it’s a missing piece that I’m so glad it’s coming out of the mainstream and we’re talking about. And when we look at these different methods of farming or even just gardening, I know that regenerative agriculture has really been a buzzword lately. And so, I want to go a little bit further if there are differences between nine creative farms and what they mean, and what they include, and for example, and only organic farming. Yes Why are we hearing more about newborn agriculture right now?

Leah: I think the new creative agriculture movement is just the best thing. Because I think that for a long time, we were focusing on sustainable agriculture and organic agriculture. And the principle behind sustainability is that it maintains itself. That this is one of the ways we can cultivate the quality of our land for decades to come. But the problem is that we have eliminated the majority of our land so badly that we actually need to reproduce the soil health. And that’s where natural agriculture comes from.

And so, there are five principles in newly created farming. Are that you are minimizing soil disturbance, you are using your crop diversity more and more, you are covering the soil and that means year round, which is the fourth, keeping your animals alive year by year. Maintain full, and then attach the livestock. And if you think about it from an environmental point of view, basically, what colonial agriculture is doing is taking these existing functions of soil and ecosystem and using them to our advantage. Are. So, what you’re talking about is when you look at the traditional fields that they commonly use monocarp, so they plant the same thing over and over again. And what happens with this is that these crops are using only a small number of nutrients that are available in the soil. And so, over time, this little limit disappears.

But if you are using reproductive agriculture, you are increasing the diversity of the crops. When you use your cover crops, you will be using more than one crop type. So, instead of using only soybeans or alfalfa, you’re using a mixture of 12 different ingredients. By not having to go to the soil and disturbing these soils, you are allowing the natural populations of these nematodes and germs of bacteria, all of which are underground organisms that give the soil its texture and its health. , You are leaving these systems unattended, which means that the soil gets healthier over time. You are using a natural process that already exists to improve the quality of the soil.

So, regeneration is a form of agriculture or a form of organic agriculture. But I think he’s taking it a step further. So, with organic, you are using only organic certified pesticides, and then you are trying to make the soil less disturbed. But the creator is going one step further and saying, you know, “Let’s not just maintain it over time, but let’s actually improve these soils and improve our organic farming practices. We can get even better soil down the road. “

Katie: It makes sense, and that’s the interesting thing so far. I’d like to talk about that a little bit more because it’s something that homeowners also do as part of the process. And I even think for home gardeners, who, in general, think that home gardening fulfills a lot of these ideas than traditional farming. But something that many home gardeners still do. So for those who, for example, are surprised to hear that it is possible to maintain good soil quality and not to mention that even if you do not do so, there may not be many weeds?

Leah: Yeah. It’s a point of great confusion, and I’m running my own garden and then managing some gardens. When I was receiving the Masters of Public Health at Georgia Southern University, I took up a learning garden. And so, I’ve been gardening for like two decades. And I first discussed my first class at home garden maybe 10 years ago. And the concept seemed so exotic and so ineffective that I ignored it for a while and then finally did it and realized that when you refrain from completing, the benefits are immense. There are.

And when I’m not talking, I don’t do anything for my land. Other than that, I have a tool called Bradfork, a big excavator, where you can put it in the mud and you Only barely crush the surface. General Chat Chat Lounge You’re not actually trying to bend the clay, but you’re crushing the surface to spread it. And so, this is the same problem I am having with my land. And what is happening is that unless you are compact, I am careful about making walkways and that is my only way, I am not stepping on my beds because I am not going to make this mud. I don’t want to be left out.

I’m just using this broadfork to air the clay and it won’t really bother me. And then what happens is the fungal communities remain, all the nematodes that are under the soil, their residential structures are intact. And the other amazing thing that happened is that I have very little weeds as a result. A lot of grass seeds will work in the soil, and then when you turn your soil, you will actually replace those weeds. And the most surprising benefit of not being able to go to my land so far, is that I have sharply reduced the amount of weeds I’ve been wearing.

And some of the ways I’m also leaving it behind, am I using different types of mulch. Therefore, you can use fertilizer as mulch, you can use different types of straw or grass. You just want to guarantee that those things are not herbs. If you do, the herbs can live in your land for up to two years and they can make it to a place where you can’t really grow certain things in that area.

I also use living babies, things I cling to under tall plants like tomatoes. You do not want your tomato plants, you do not want the bottom leaves to touch the ground. And as such, I put them at stake and then I use the space under the tomatoes where I can crop cover that I can trim. And likewise, soil also has to be protected. Yes, these regenerative practices seem contradictory to them because we have been running for thousands of years. But what we are seeing is that there are ways to work with clay that can stimulate like productive soil.

The other thing that is remarkable to me is that many people talk about clay and how you really need to break the clay. And I live in an area where we have a lot of old soil. I live in western North Carolina, we have the oldest mountain in the United States and as a result we have a lot of soil. اور اس طرح ، میں اپنی سرزمین کے ساتھ ان کے معیار کو بہتر بنانے کے ل do کیا کرتا ہوں ، وہ یہ ہے کہ ، آپ جانتے ہو ، میں گتے ، اور سوکھے پتے ، مردہ لاٹھی ، کھاد ، جیسے یہ چیزیں بنا رہا ہوں ، یہ سب چیزیں اس پرت کی تعمیر کر رہی ہیں۔ مٹی کی چوٹی پر موجود مٹی کی۔

لیکن اس کے بعد میں ڈائیکون ریڈیز جیسے کور فصلوں کا استعمال کر رہا ہوں جو مٹی میں واقعی گہرائی میں اگے گیں اور وہ اس مٹی کے ذریعے اگیں گے۔ اور جیسے ہی اس کی موت واقع ہوتی ہے ، اس سے یہ سوراخ پیدا ہوتا ہے جہاں آپ کے پاس اب پانی کی دراندازی کی گنجائش ہے اور پھر آپ کے پاس یہ نامیاتی مادہ پودوں کے مرتے ہوئے جڑوں سے ہے جو اب مٹی کی طرف گہرائی میں جانے لگا ہے۔ لہذا ، میں سمجھتا ہوں کہ جو تخلیق شدہ مٹی آپ ان نو تخلیقی طریقوں کو استعمال کر رہی ہیں اس میں ترمیم کرنے کے دلچسپ حل موجود ہیں۔

کیٹی: یہ بہت دلچسپ ہے۔ اور مجھے پیار ہے کہ آپ نے فنگل کمیونٹیز کو بھی مٹی میں ہی پالا ہے کیونکہ حال ہی میں یہ میرے لئے ایک تحقیقی موضوع رہا ہے ، عام طور پر صرف مختلف قسم کے فنگس ہیں اور ہم ان کے ساتھ کس طرح بات چیت کرتے ہیں ، اور وہ کس طرح زیادہ حصہ ہیں۔ ہماری زندگی میں ہمارے ماحول سے کہیں زیادہ ہمیں اس کی تحقیق کیے بغیر واقعی احساس ہوگا۔ اور مجھے کھاد کے طور پر ھاد کو استعمال کرنے کے بارے میں آپ کی صلاح سے پیار ہے۔ لہذا ، دوسرے الفاظ میں ، آپ ابھی بھی مٹی میں غذائی اجزاء شامل کر رہے ہیں ، آپ کو ان تک لازمی طور پر ضرورت نہیں ہے۔ کیا یہ ٹھیک ہے؟

لیہ: ہاں ، یہ بالکل درست ہے۔ لہذا ، میں ہر ایک سال میں ھاد ڈالتا ہوں۔ اور مجھے لگتا ہے کہ یہ وہ جگہ ہے جہاں لوگ اپنے باغات سے تھوڑا سا الجھ جاتے ہیں ، یہ ہے کہ آپ کو یاد رکھنا ہوگا کہ آپ وہاں کچھ بڑھ رہے ہیں ، اور آپ اسے کٹ رہے ہیں ، اور آپ اسے کھا رہے ہیں۔ اور پھر ہمارا فضلہ مینجمنٹ سسٹم وہ ہے جو ضائع کرتا ہے ، انسانی فضلہ پھر اس نظام سے خارج ہوتا ہے۔ یہ متعدد وجوہات کی بنا پر آپ کے باغ میں واپس نہیں جا رہا ہے۔ اس کا انتظام بہت مختلف انداز میں کرنا پڑے گا ، ظاہر ہے۔

اور اس طرح ، آپ ان غذائی اجزاء کو باہر نکال رہے ہیں جو دوبارہ نہیں بھر رہے ہیں۔ اور اس طرح ، یہ واقعی اہم ہے کہ مالی کی حیثیت سے کہ آپ ہر سال ان غذائی اجزا کو بھر دیں۔ میں جانتا ہوں کہ کچھ لوگ سال میں دو بار ایسا کرتے ہیں۔ میں واقعی میں سال میں ایک بار کرتا ہوں۔ اور ہاں ، ایسا نہیں لگتا کہ یہ کام کرے گا ، لیکن آپ نے اس کھاد کا ایک دو انچ براہ راست مٹی کی چوٹی پر ڈال دیا اور آپ حقیقت میں اس میں براہ راست بیج ڈال سکتے ہیں۔ اور اسی طرح ، یہ یا تو آپ کے ملچ کی حیثیت سے کام کرسکتا ہے۔ جس کا مطلب بولوں: میں ھاد کے طور پر ھاد استعمال کرتا ہوں ، یا میں ان میں سے کچھ دوسری چیزوں کا استعمال کرتا ہوں جن کا میں نے ذکر کیا ہے۔ لیکن ہر ایک سال ان غذائی اجزاء کو شامل کرنا کامیاب باغبانی کا ایک اہم حصہ ہے۔

دوسری بات ، یہ احاطہ کرنے والی فصلیں بھی واقعی اہم ہیں۔ چونکہ آپ کے پاس غذائی اجزاء موجود ہیں جو مٹی کی تہوں کے اندر بہت گہرا ہے اور ان تک رسائی حاصل کرنے کا بہترین طریقہ یہ ہے کہ ان مختلف گروہوں کا استعمال کریں۔ لہذا بورجری ، اور کامفری ، اور ڈائیکون مولیوں ، یہ وہ تمام پودے ہیں جن کے پاس گہرے جڑوں کے نظام موجود ہیں جو ان معدنیات کی کٹائی میں اچھے ہیں ، لہذا وہ ان غذائی اجزاء کو کھینچ سکتے ہیں۔ اور پھر پودے خود ماحول میں سورج اور کاربن ڈائی آکسائیڈ کا استعمال پودوں کے بافتوں کو ضم کرنے کے لئے کر رہے ہیں۔ لہذا ، یہی وہ جگہ ہے جہاں آپ کو کاربن کے ذرائع مل رہے ہیں۔

اگر آپ مٹی میں کاربن کے افعال کے بارے میں سوچتے ہیں تو ، کاربن ایک ایسا ڈھانچہ ہے جو چیزوں کو واقعتا well اچھ holdsا بناتا ہے۔ اور اس طرح ، کاربن کے اضافے کے بغیر ، آپ کے پاس ان وٹامنز اور معدنیات کو برقرار رکھنے کے لئے کچھ نہیں ہے جو آپ کی مٹی میں موجود ہیں۔ لہذا ، ان احاطہ کرتا ہوا فصلوں کا استعمال کرکے ، آپ جو کچھ کر رہے ہیں اس کے لئے ، آپ کاربن کا ذریعہ جوڑ رہے ہیں۔ دوسری چیز جو آپ کررہے ہیں وہ یہ ہے کہ آپ ڈھکن کی فصلیں استعمال کر رہے ہیں جو ان غذائی اجزا کو مٹی کی تہوں کے اندر سے گہرائی میں لے سکتے ہیں۔ اور پھر اگر آپ کور کی فصلوں کو استعمال کریں جو نائٹروجن فکسر کی طرح سہ شاخہ ہیں ، تو وہ یہ مائکروبیل ایسوسی ایشن بنائیں گے ، وہ یہ مائکوریزا ایسوسی ایشن کوکیوں کے ساتھ بنائیں گے ، اور یہ کوکیی ماحول میں دستیاب نائٹروجن کو ٹھیک کرنے اور اس میں تبدیل کرنے کے قابل ہیں۔ آسانی سے دستیاب فارم جو آپ کے پودوں کے ذریعہ استعمال ہوسکتی ہے۔

کیٹی: اس کا مطلب ہے اور یہ بہت دلچسپ ہے۔ اور میرا اندازہ ہے کہ ان جڑوں کی فصلوں کو مسلسل ماتمی لباس کے استعمال کے قابل ہونے کے ل to میں بھی بہت کم کام کروں گا۔ آپ کو زیادہ سے زیادہ پانی کی ضرورت نہیں ہے ، ٹھیک ہے ، اگر آپ کے پاس بھی نمی کو روکنے کے لئے یہ ڈھکی ہوئی فصلیں ہیں۔

لیہ: ہاں ، یہ بالکل درست ہے۔ میرا مطلب ہے ، وہ ان سبھی مختلف فوائد کی خدمت کرتے ہیں۔ ایک چیز جس سے میں نے سیکھا ہے کہ گھر کے باغات کے لئے تھوڑا سا مشکل ہے جب آپ ڈھکن کی فصلیں استعمال کر رہے ہو اور آپ اس وقت تک کام نہیں کررہے ہو تو یہ بہتر ہے کہ گھاسوں سے دور رہنا بہتر ہے۔ اگر آپ صرف اپنے باغ میں آزمانے کے لئے ابتدائی احاطہ کی فصل تلاش کر رہے ہیں تو ، میں کہوں گا کہ بکسوا ہیٹ آزمائیں۔ اور اس کی وجہ یہ ہے کہ یہ واقعی ایک تیز تر کاشت کار ہے ، اور قریب چھ ہفتوں میں یہ فصل کاٹنے کے لئے تیار ہوگا۔ اور جس طرح سے آپ نے فصل کٹائی ہے یا جس طرح سے میں اس کی کٹائی کررہا ہوں وہ ہے اس وقت تک میں انتظار کرتا ہوں جب تک کہ یہ پوری طرح سے کھل جائے۔ میں نہیں چاہتا کہ یہ بیج میں جائے۔ اگر میں نے اسے بیج میں جانے دیا تو پھر میں اپنی سرزمین میں گھاس کے بیج ڈال رہا ہوں۔ لیکن میں انتظار کرتا ہوں یہاں تک کہ یہ مکمل طور پر کھلتا ہے ، اور پھر میں اسے نیچے گھاس ڈالنے جا رہا ہوں اور پلانٹ کا یہ سارا معاملہ صرف سطح پر گرنے والا ہے اور یہ ، اے ، یا تو بہادری کی شکل کے طور پر استعمال ہوسکتا ہے کیونکہ یہ بنیادی طور پر ایک گھاس نما مادے میں سوکھ جاتا ہے ، یا ہاں ، آپ اسے چھوڑ سکتے ہیں اور پھر آخر کار یہ سڑنے والا ہے اور مٹی میں مزید کاربن ڈال سکتا ہے۔

لیکن میں ان جڑوں کو زمین کے نیچے چھوڑ دیتا ہوں۔ لہذا ، وہ مٹی کو اپنی جگہ پر رکھنے میں مدد کریں گے یہاں تک کہ جب وہاں ضروری طور پر کچھ نہیں بڑھ رہا ہو۔ اور اسی طرح ، ہاں ، جب آپ مٹی کو تنہا چھوڑ دیتے ہیں تو اس میں پانی کے ذخیرہ کرنے کی بہتر صلاحیت بھی ہوتی ہے کیونکہ آپ کے پاس بہت ساری ہوا کی جیبیں موجود ہوتی ہیں جو آپ کی پوری مٹی میں موجود ہوتی ہیں اور اسی جگہ پر پانی کو مضبوطی سے تھام لیا جاتا ہے اور اس میں انعقاد ہونے والا ہے پلانٹ اپٹیک کے لئے دستیاب ہے کہ ایک طریقہ میرا مطلب ہے ، اس فرق میں فرق ہے کہ زمین میں پانی ذخیرہ کیا جاسکتا ہے۔ میرا مطلب ہے ، مثال کے طور پر ، مٹی پانی کو اتنی مضبوطی سے ذخیرہ کرتی ہے ، یہ ضروری نہیں کہ پودوں کو اٹھانے کے ل. دستیاب ہو۔ لیکن جب آپ ان پوشیدہ فصلوں کو استعمال کرتے ہیں اور اپنی مٹی کو غیرآباد چھوڑ دیتے ہیں ، تو وہ غیر محفوظ علاقوں جہاں پانی ذخیرہ کیا جاسکتا ہے ، وہ اپنے آپ کو پیدا کرتے ہیں اور آپ کی مٹی کی پانی ذخیرہ کرنے کی گنجائش میں اس کا بہتر نتیجہ طویل مدتی ہوتا ہے۔

کیٹی: سمجھ گیا اور دوبارہ پیدا ہونے والے حصے میں تھوڑا سا اور گھیرنا ، لہذا مجھے ایسا لگتا ہے کہ موسمیاتی تبدیلی سے متعلق اس بارے میں بات چیت ہو رہی ہے ، اور یقینا that’s یہ ایک متنازعہ موضوع ہے جو ابھی عام طور پر ہمیں جانوروں کو کھانا چاہئے ، کیا ہمیں جانوروں کو نہیں کھانا چاہئے ، کیا وہ ماحول کو تکلیف دیتے ہیں یا مدد کرتے ہیں؟ اور مجھے لگتا ہے کہ اس پر خود ہی بہت ساری پوڈ کاسٹ میں بحث ہوسکتی ہے۔ لیکن مجھے اس کے بارے میں آپ کا نقطہ نظر پسند ہے کیونکہ آپ ایک زیادہ جامع پوزیشن لیتے ہیں اور اس کے بارے میں عملی پہلو سے بات کرتے ہیں کہ ہم واقعتا can ہم کر سکتے ہیں ، مجھے ایسا لگتا ہے ، کہ اس سب پر عمل درآمد بھی ماحولیاتی صحت کے امور جیسی چیزوں کو حل کرنے میں معاون ثابت ہوسکتا ہے۔ ہمارے اپنے صحت کے مسائل بھی۔ اور میں سمجھتا ہوں کہ یہ وہی حصہ ہے جو واقعی میں ہمیں اپنے کنبے کے لئے قابو میں رکھتا ہے۔ تو ، آئیے اس کے بارے میں بات کرتے ہیں کہ سائنسدانوں نے نہ صرف آب و ہوا کی تبدیلی کے حل کے بطور نو تخلیق زراعت کے شعبے میں دلچسپی کیوں رکھی ہے ، بلکہ ان دیگر فوائد میں سے کچھ جو حقیقت میں گفتگو میں سب سے آگے نہیں ہیں۔

لیہ: ہاں ، یہ ایک بہت بڑا سوال ہے۔ لہذا ، جب آپ آب و ہوا کی تبدیلی پر نگاہ ڈالیں تو ، بہت سارے ذرائع موجود ہیں جن کی شناخت گرین ہاؤس گیسوں میں سب سے زیادہ تکلیف دہ اور سب سے زیادہ معاون ہے۔ اور زراعت ان شعبوں میں سے ایک ہے جو گرین ہاؤس گیسوں میں سب سے زیادہ تعاون کرنے والا ہے۔ لیکن دلچسپ بات یہ ہے کہ اس کو موسمیاتی تبدیلیوں کو تبدیل کرنے اور حقیقت میں ان گیسوں میں سے کچھ کو ماحول سے باہر نکالنے کے بہترین حل میں سے ایک کے طور پر بھی پہچانا گیا ہے ، لہذا نہ صرف کاربن بلکہ نائٹروجن بھی۔

لہذا جب پودے روشنی سنشیت کاری کر رہے ہیں ، جب وہ سورج سے توانائی لے رہے ہیں اور اسے توانائی کے قابل استعمال شکلوں میں تبدیل کر رہے ہیں اور اسے پودوں کے ؤتکوں میں تبدیل کررہے ہیں تو ، ہم سمجھتے ہیں کہ ، آپ جانتے ہو ، آپ اس پلانٹ کو دیکھتے ہیں اور آپ دیکھتے ہیں ، “ٹھیک ہے۔ ٹھیک ہے ، یہ سب کاربن ہے ، یہ پلانٹ کاربن سے بنا ہے لہذا یہ وہ سب کاربن ہے جو یہ پودا فضا سے باہر نکال رہا ہے۔ ”لیکن حقیقت یہ ہے کہ پودوں کاربن انو کی صورت میں مٹی میں فوٹو سینٹیٹ پمپ کر رہے ہیں۔ لہذا ، پلانٹ پر انحصار کرتے ہوئے ، وہ اپنی روشنی سنتھیی کے 40 to سے 80 directly سے کہیں بھی براہ راست مٹی میں پمپ کرسکتے ہیں کیونکہ وہ اس مائکروبیل آبادی کو زمین کے نیچے کھانا کھلانے کی کوشش کر رہے ہیں۔

اور اسی طرح ، جب آپ ان پودوں کے کاربن ماخذ کی حیثیت سے زمین کے اوپر موجود بایڈماس کے بارے میں سوچتے ہیں تو ، ہم پودوں کے لئے کاربن کو ماحول سے باہر نکالنے کے لئے ناقابل یقین صلاحیت کو بدنام کرتے ہیں۔ اور اسی ل people ، لوگ آب و ہوا کی تبدیلی کو نہ صرف روکنے اور روکنے کے راستے کے طور پر دوبارہ تخلیق کارانہ کھیتی باڑی کے بارے میں بات کر رہے ہیں ، بلکہ حقیقت میں ان گیسوں کو ماحول سے باہر کھینچ کر اور مٹی میں جہاں وہ سمجھا جارہا ہے وہاں ذخیرہ کرکے اس کو تبدیل کریں۔ General Chat Chat Lounge چنانچہ ، ایک کتاب ہے جو پال ہاکن نے لکھی ہے یا اس میں ترمیم کی ہے جسے “ڈرا ڈاون” کہا جاتا ہے اور اس نے آب و ہوا میں تبدیلی کے ل for 100 حل تلاش کیے ہیں اور ان 20 میں سے 8 کا تعلق زراعت سے ہے۔ اور اس طرح ، اس طرح کی بے پناہ امکانات موجود ہیں کہ ہم موسمیاتی تبدیلیوں کو نہ صرف روکنے کے لئے ، بلکہ ان میں سے کچھ پریشانیوں کو دور کرنے کی کوشش کرنے کے لئے بھی خوراک اُگاتے ہیں۔

لیکن جس طرح سے میں یہ دیکھ رہا ہوں وہ یہ ہے کہ ہمارے پاس ان معاملات کو ان کے حص intoوں میں توڑنے کا رجحان ہے۔ لیکن اگر آپ دیکھیں ، جیسا کہ آپ نے بتایا ہے ، میرا مطلب ہے کہ ہمارے پاس یہ سب مختلف مسائل ہیں ، لہذا ہمارے پاس… آپ کو پتہ ہے ، ہم ابھی صحت عامہ کے بحران کا سامنا کر رہے ہیں۔ ہمارے ہاں 10 میں سے 6 بالغ افراد کو دائمی بیماری ہوتی ہے ، 10 میں سے 4 بالغوں کو 2 یا زیادہ دائمی بیماری ہوتی ہے۔ 46٪ بچوں کو دائمی بیماری ہوتی ہے۔ اور اگر آپ خطرے والے عوامل پر نگاہ ڈالتے ہیں جو بیماری سے بچنے کے مرض کی نشوونما پر اثر انداز کرتے ہیں تو آپ کو پتہ چلتا ہے کہ یہ چار خطرے والے عوامل پر ابلتا ہے۔ اور پہلا خطرہ عامل اب غذا ہے ، اس نے تمباکو نوشی کو پیچھے چھوڑ دیا ہے۔ یہ دو دیگر شراب نوشی اور ورزش کی کمی کا شکار ہیں۔

لہذا ، یہ بڑی حد تک روک تھام کرنے والی بیماریوں کے بارے میں ہیں جس کے بارے میں ہم بات کر رہے ہیں جس کی اکثریت لوگوں کو دوچار ہے ، اور غذا ہی اس کی کلید ہے۔ لہذا ، جب آپ کھانے پینے کے طریقوں کے بارے میں سوچ رہے ہیں تو ، ہم ان صحت سے متعلق امور کو بھی حل کرسکتے ہیں۔ ہم لوگوں کو صحت مند کھانے کی چیزیں حاصل کرسکتے ہیں جو ان کی صحت کو بہتر بنائیں گے اور نہ صرف ماحولیات کی صحت کو بہتر بنائیں گے۔ میں نے اپنے گھر میں باغ رکھنے کے لئے ماں کی حیثیت سے جو کچھ فوائد دیکھے ہیں وہ یہ ہیں کہ اس سے میرے بچوں میں صحت مند کھانے کی بھی حوصلہ افزائی ہوتی ہے۔ میرا مطلب ہے کہ ، آج کے معاشرے میں یہ ایک ایسا مروجہ مسئلہ ہے کہ ہمارے پاس کھانے اور اپنے بچوں کو ان صحت مند کھانے میں سے کچھ کھانے میں دلچسپی لینے کی کوشش کرنے کے ساتھ اس طرح کا مشکل وقت گزرتا ہے۔ لیکن میں نے محسوس کیا کہ جب آپ سبزیوں کے باغ کو برقرار رکھتے ہیں تو ، اس طرح کی ذہن سازی واقعی دلچسپ بات ہے کہ بچوں کو بیج کو ایک خوردنی مصنوع میں تبدیل کرنا دیکھنا ہے۔ اور وہ خود بخود اس میں زیادہ دلچسپی لیتے ہیں۔

اور میں نے جارجیا میں سیکھنے والے باغ کو سنبھالتے وقت یہی دیکھا تھا کہ ہمارے پاس بچوں کے گروپ تھے جو اس بات پر بحث کر رہے تھے کہ کچے والے برسلز انکرت کو کس نے کھایا ہے ، یہ اس بات کی دلیل نہیں ہے کہ زیادہ تر لوگوں کے اپنے گھر ہیں۔ لیکن اس کی وجہ یہ ہے کہ وہ بچے اس عمل میں شامل تھے اور انہیں بیج ٹو میز کی کارروائی دیکھنے کو ملی اور وہ واقعی میں سرمایہ کاری کرکے اس میں شامل تھے۔

دوسری بات جو ہوتی ہے ، اس کا مطلب ہے ، میں نہیں جانتا کہ آپ فطرت کے خسارے کے بارے میں کتنا جانتے ہیں ، لیکن ان کا اندازہ ہے کہ اوسطا kids بچے صرف ایک دن میں تقریبا minutes 7 منٹ صرف غیر منظم کھیل میں مصروف رہتے ہیں۔ اور باغ رکھنے کا ایک فائدہ یہ ہے کہ یہ ہمیں عام طور پر ہونے سے کہیں زیادہ مجبور کرتا ہے۔ لہذا ، مثال کے طور پر ، ہمارے پاس پچھلے کچھ دنوں میں بہت زیادہ بارش ہوئی لیکن مجھے باہر نکل کر دیکھنے کی ضرورت تھی کہ میری قطار کے نیچے کیا ہے تاکہ میں سوپ کے لئے کچھ اجزاء کھینچ سکوں جو ہمارے پاس تھا۔ اور میں نے اپنے بچوں کو میرے ساتھ باہر آنے پر مجبور کیا۔ تو ، پھر سب باہر سے تھوڑی دیر کے لئے کچھ کر رہے ہیں۔

لہذا میں سوچتا ہوں کہ صحت مند کھانوں میں اضافہ کرنے کے یہ سبھی متنوع فوائد ہیں ، اور خصوصا doing یہ کام ہمارے اپنے گھروں میں اس طرح کے مختلف فوائد کا تجربہ کرنے کے قابل ہیں تاکہ نہ صرف صحت کے فوائد اور ماحولیات کے لئے فوائد حاصل ہوں۔ جو ہمارے لئے معاشرتی طور پر بھی کرسکتا ہے ، اور یہ ہماری معاشروں میں کیا کرسکتا ہے۔

کیٹی: ہاں ، آپ بالکل ٹھیک ہیں۔ میرے خیال میں یہ توجہ کا ایک بڑھتا ہوا علاقہ ہے اور بطور خاندان بہت سے لوگوں کو ہمارے فیصلے کرنے کے دور رس اثرات کو سمجھتے ہوئے ہونا چاہئے۔ اور جب یہ بات آتی ہے ، جیسے ، ضرور ، پسند ہے ، ہمارے پاس بھی ایک باغ ہے۔ اور میرے خیال میں باغ ہونا ایک بہترین کام ہم کر سکتے ہیں ، جیسا کہ آپ نے ذکر کیا ہے ، صحت کے لئے بہت سے طریقوں سے ، نہ صرف کھانے کی وجہ سے ، بلکہ اس وجہ سے کہ ہم باہر ہیں ، اور وٹامن ڈی ، اور مٹی کے ساتھ بات چیت کرتے ہیں۔ مائکرو بائوم ، لیکن یہ بھی میں جانتا ہوں کہ ہر ایک کے ل. یہ ممکن نہیں ہے۔ لہذا ، ان میں سے کچھ کیا طریقے ہیں جب ہم بطور صارف مثبت تبدیلیاں لینا شروع کر سکتے ہیں جب ہمارے یہاں اور ماحول کے ل better بہتر معیار کی کھانوں اور مصنوعات کی خریداری کی بھی بات آتی ہے؟

لیہ: ہاں۔ تو ، پہلی بات ، پہلا قدم جس کے بارے میں میں سوچتا ہوں وہ یہ ہے کہ لوگ زیادہ کھانا پکانا سیکھ رہے ہیں۔ اور ’40s میں پیکیجڈ کھانوں کی دستیابی میں تاریخی اہمیت موجود ہے ، اور خواتین’ 60 کی دہائی میں افرادی قوت میں شامل ہو رہی ہیں اور اس نے ہمارے معاشرے کے ڈھانچے اور ہمارے دستیاب وقت کو کیا کیا تاکہ سکریچ سے مزید کھانا پکانے کے قابل ہو۔ لیکن میں سمجھتا ہوں کہ ان کھانوں کو استعمال کرنے کے ل that جو ہمارے لئے زیادہ سے زیادہ دستیاب ہو رہی ہیں اگر ہم اپنی خوراک خود اگانا شروع کردیں یا کسانوں کی منڈیوں میں زیادہ جانا شروع کریں تو ، ہمیں یہ جاننے کی ضرورت ہوگی کہ ان کے ساتھ کیا کرنا ہے۔ کھانے کی اشیاء. لہذا ، یہ ان چیزوں میں سے ایک ہے جن کی میں اپنی کتاب والی کتاب پر توجہ دینے کی کوشش کرتا ہوں ، تاکہ لوگوں کو کھانے کو مزید قابل حصول بنانے کے ل food کھانے کے عمل کو آسان بنانے میں مدد مل سکے۔

کیونکہ ہم دونوں جانتے ہیں کہ شروع سے کھانا پکانا بہت وقت لگتا ہے۔ اور اس طرح ، اگر آپ کے پاس یہ بنیادی مہارت نہیں ہے تو ، یہاں تک کہ ان میں سے کچھ بہتر معیار کی مصنوعات کہاں سے خریداری کرنے کی بات آتی ہے ان میں سے کچھ کو منتخب کرنا مشکل ہے۔ لیکن مجھے لگتا ہے کہ سب سے پہلے اور اہم بات یہ ہے کہ ، اگر آپ کے پاس اگنے کے لئے جگہ نہیں ہے تو ، آپ جانتے ہو ، آنگن کے باغ کی قدر کو کم نہ کریں۔ So, if you do even have like a balcony and some space where you could throw some lettuce in a pot, it’s fun. It’s really fun and interesting to throw something in a pot and see what happens. So, that could be one small thing that you do.

Other things if there is a farmer’s market available in your area, going to the farmer’s market, talking to the farmer’s, asking questions. A lot of people feel intimidated to talk to their farmers about their growing practices. But what I found is that these farmers are really proud of the work that they’re doing. And they’re actually extremely interested in talking to you about that process and telling you about what it is they do. And so, that’s one way that you can figure out the quality of the produce and the meats that you are going to be buying.

And then, I know that that some of these mail order products are also another solution. If these things are not available in your area, I think that locally grown agriculture is the best thing that you can do for your environment, and for the health of your community, and for the health of your family. But I do know that this isn’t accessible for everyone. And so, I know that there are things like Misfits, which is this organic…and I’m not affiliated with these organizations in any way, but I know that you can order organic foods online and that they can be shipped to your door. I know that there are different meat services where you can get grass-fed meats. And so, really trying to find those places to access better quality foods.

One thing that I also think is important to think about is, you mentioned us eating meat and what that does for the environment. And yes, this is a huge debate right now. But I do think that one thing that most people can agree upon is that conventionally raised meats are not good for the health of the environment or for human health. And so, if pasture-raised meats, and eggs, and dairy products, and things like that, if those things are not accessible to you, I think that even considering eliminating them from your diet, it is something to think about just because of the environmental and health impact that these foods do have on your body.

Katie: I definitely agree with that. I think that’s something that no matter what perspective you’re coming at this equation from, I think we can all agree on whether it’s the health perspective, the environmental perspective, whatever it may be, is that none of us I don’t think want to see animals treated like that, nor do any of us want to consume animal products that are contaminated with all those things and where the animals have been treated so poorly. And I’ve thought that for years that if we could unite around the things we agree on, whether, you know, those who follow a vegan diet or those who eat meat, if we could unite on the things we agree on, we could actually make so much positive change within that realm by focusing on that together.

And I also love your advice about just growing something small. I know even when I’ve lived in apartments, you can grow like microgreens and sprouts on your kitchen counter, and those are really low work and you’re getting such a fresh food that you can add into your diet. And I think your farmers’ market advice is also great. And I know a lot of people listening already do shop at farmers’ markets and can probably implement a lot of those tips right off the bat.

And I’d love to circle back more about gardening as well because we are about to be in gardening season depending on where you live. And I think so much of what we’ve talked about in this episode are things that we can start implementing in home gardens. So, I’d love to get really practical for a little while and talk about from a home gardener’s perspective, kind of, how can we 80/20 of this, where’s the starting point, if either we are just starting to garden for the first time or we have an existing garden but wanna get more regenerative with how we maintain it?

Leah: Yeah. So, I like that concept of 80/20 too because I think that we have this all or nothing approach and then we oftentimes fail. And I’ve seen that gardening is no different. When you are learning any new skill, it doesn’t matter what it is, you simply can’t expect to become an expert right out of the gate. And so, if you are doing this for the very first time, or you’ve had a garden multiple years and you’ve had failure after failure after failure, my suggestion would be to downsize and not expand until you feel comfortable managing the amount of space that you have. So if you do just have a patio, you know, starting with a few of these pots, doing some lettuce, greens are generally a pretty easy thing to grow.

Another thing that’s pretty easy to grow are green beans. And I found that kids seem to really enjoy these yellow wax beans, are some of my favorite things to grow. These are also a nitrogen-fixer, so they’re great for your soil. But I would start with something as small as a 4X8 plot. So, it doesn’t necessarily have to be a raised bed unless you have poor drainage. If you have extremely poor drainage, you really have to build that soil up so that your plant roots are staying above the area that stays saturated. I have some raised beds at my house and some of my plants are just planted directly into the ground. Drainage is only an issue for me in certain parts of my yard.

And then the other thing that I would focus on is your soil. Because you’re not actually growing plants, you are nurturing healthy soil. And when you can change your outlook and approach to gardening, that’s when you’re gonna start to have success is when you nurture that soil. Because if you have good soil, that good soil is automatically going to be nurturing your plants. So you can buy bags of organic compost from Lowe’s Hardware, all of these different hardware stores.

You can make your own. I mean, this is something that I tend to do more often simply because I do have such a large area and the expense of buying these bags of compost, it’s not practical for me. So I have just some pallets, some wooden pallets that I’ve built up and I’ve put leaves, and compost, straw, chicken waste, I mean, I put all sorts of things in there and then let those things decompose and that turns into my compost that I can then add to my garden.

The way that I have started my raised beds is by, I put down cardboard first. And you wanna make sure that your cardboard is totally overlapping so that whatever plants that you’re trying to kill beneath the surface of that, they’re not going to kind of make their way up through those cracks, because then you have roots that are really low in the ground and it could be really hard to get rid of them. But put down this cardboard, and then I’ll actually fill it with wood chips and then just like 4 inches of compost on top of that.

Now, the problem with this is that year one, the wood chips are not going to be very productive because you really don’t have a lot of soil there. So, I plant cover crop on top of that, I usually start with buckwheat. When the buckwheat is ready, I weed it down, let it fall to the surface, and then I plant another round of cover crops. So, this last raised bed, I started with the buckwheat and then I did a mix of clover, dye cons, and some type of grass. I can’t remember which it was, but I wish I hadn’t done the grass. Again, don’t do the grasses if you’re not tilling because they are a little bit harder to get rid of.

And so, I kind of just let that bed sit and work on it, let it build that system on its own. I’m not really working that hard. I’m really just kind of enabling that system to do what it needs to do to build a healthy soil. And then year two, that bed is then extremely productive. So, by using those wood chips, you can often get wood chips for free from different tree falling services. I mean, this does depend on where you live. Obviously, if you live in the middle of a city, this isn’t going to be an accessible thing. But I live in a more rural area and I just see these trucks on the side of the road when they’re near my house, and they’re falling trees, and chipping the waste, and I’ll ask them, “Can you deliver that load of chips to my house?” And oftentimes they’ll do it if they don’t already have a place to go.

Katie: I have heard that advice recently from a local gardener where we are as well. And that’s on my list to find this week, actually, is to do that combination of wood chips and then compost. And this guy actually, he teaches my kids pole vaulting as well. And I’ve seen his gardens every week when we go for pole vaulting and I’m just amazed at how fast everything grows. He’s been doing that for several years, and even he’ll do beds like that and then eventually plant fruit trees there as well. And just seeing how these trees even take off when you prepare the soil like that, it’s really astounding how much of a difference that makes.

Leah: Yeah, the wood chips act…they’re a great source of carbon. And like I said before, you have to have carbon in your soil to store those nutrients. But when the wood chips are breaking down, there’s not a lot of nutrition available to your plants. So, what happens is, in the decomposition process you have…it involves carbon and nitrogen. And so, these microbes require nitrogen and other minerals and nutrients in order to grow, survive, and eat this decaying material. And so, they kind of use up those minerals and those other nutrients that are in the soil temporarily. But it’s always as turnover, you know, you have your primary decomposers, your secondary decomposers, your tertiary decomposers, you know, it’s the successional process of different species that come in to do this decomposition work.

And so, as you have that succession, you have the die-off of certain bacteria and fungi, and things that then become food for this next round of decomposers that come in. And so, after about a year, this wood has mostly decomposed. That’s the other reason I bury it. If you keep the wood on the surface, you’re using it more like a mulch and it’s not going to decompose as easily. But if you bury wood chips underneath a few inches of compost, it’s going to stay wet under there and it’s gonna keep decomposing. And then in about a year, you’ve had enough die-off of those decomposers that those things have now become fertile soil that can start to grow the plants that you’re trying to produce.

Katie: That’s so fascinating. And I love your approach to this and how it is so much less work overtime, because I think that’s one reason people don’t maybe jump into gardening is that it seems like a lot of work and a lot of upkeep. And I think when you learn these principles like what you’re talking about, not only is it so much less work, but you’re gonna end up with more nutrient-dense final product, and you’re gonna create this whole ecosystem that’s fascinating to watch. And like you mentioned, so cool for our kids to get to see and to learn. And I do think you’re right too, and it makes them more likely to eat the food. That’s been my experience as well. When the kids help in the garden, they’re so much more invested in the process that they’re then willing to try the foods and much less willing to waste those foods because they’ve worked so hard for them.

Leah: Yeah. And another important part that I wanna tell people about is that failure is an expected part of the gardening process. So, I’ll hear people say that something got messed up, or, you know, they can’t grow tomatoes, or they have a brown thumb. But gardening is like any other thing you do and you’re not going to get it 100% right. You’re also working against nature which is completely unpredictable and out of your control. I mean, I think that one of the biggest lessons that I get from gardening is this sense of humility. And even though I have all of this knowledge and all of this experience that I have something that fails every single year, and I have a bug infestation, or I have moles that dig underneath, I have a hailstorm, all of these different things, you’re kind of at the mercy of the system.

And so, I think when people come into gardening, they automatically think that they’re going to have 100% success. And that doesn’t happen for anybody. It doesn’t happen for the people who are even the most experienced. This is another fun thing about going to the farmers’ market and getting to know your farmers is that you can start talking to them about their failures too. Because even though you see this gorgeous bountiful produce that they’re selling at the farmers’ market, they have had failure that year as well. But this is one of the life lessons that I feel like you get from gardening. I mean, the life lessons are just so bountiful. I mean, like you’re saying with the kids and having them out in the garden.

I let my kids have their own 4×4 area this year. And they got to plant whatever they wanted. And my daughter mostly planted flowers, and she planted them way too close together. And, you know, I just have to ignore that. I think that when people are talking about getting their kids involved in these different processes, whether it’s cooking or in the garden, we tend to want things done a certain way. And kids will never be able to do it that certain way unless we let them learn the process that comes along with it.

And so, what I have found for me is that sometimes… My kids are younger than yours, my daughter is 4.5 and my son is 7. And so, they’re not particularly helpful in the garden at times. I mean, my son is getting to where he’s more helpful. But by giving them their own task that’s separate from the actual work that I’m trying to get done, it makes things go a lot smoother. So, that’s why I let them each have their own 4×4 and basically just told them, “You can do whatever you want.” And so then, I’m not irritated by the fact that everything’s planted too closely together or they didn’t plant the right things. You know, they can experiment on their own and figure those things out.

I do the same thing in the kitchen with involving my kids. I mean, especially my 7-year-old, again, he’s much more helpful and he actually can help, but, you know, my 4-year-old, she’s not quite as helpful yet. And so, sometimes when I’m chopping and she wants a job, I just give her a cucumber to chop or a red pepper, or a banana. And usually what happens is she sits there and chops it and she eats it while she does it. So, I think that what I have noticed is that getting kids involved in the process is probably the most powerful thing you can do to improve the eating habits of your family.

Katie: I definitely second that. And I think the other important thing that you mentioned is letting kids try things and fail, and like us trying things and failing and letting them see that. Because that’s something I definitely feel like I didn’t get a ton of examples of in childhood was that failure was okay and that it’s actually a very important part of learning. I think you’re right, gardening is a great place to learn that very much hands-on, and to develop a tolerance for failure and an ability to learn from failure versus a fear of it. And I think that’s another really important lesson we can pass on to our kids and gardening is such a great way to do it.

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Katie: And as we get near the end of our time, there’s a couple of questions I love to ask. The first being if there’s any advice that you would really wanna give to anyone who maybe is just starting out or wants to start out but is still a little bit hesitant?

Leah: Yeah. So, I would say start small and know that when you’re referencing these experts who appear to have it all together, that it took them years to get to the point where they’re at. So if you’re interested in having a garden, but you’re not quite sure yet what to do with kale or how to wash lettuce, I mean, these are really great starting points. I think learning what to do with vegetables can be one of the most powerful things that you can do for your health. And doing this in a small step-wise progression is going to be the most successful way to approach it.

So, I have developed this system of meal planning and prep that I write about in my cookbook, but it took me years to develop this. And I did it under the stress of having two kids with medical disadvantages. I mean, especially for my daughter having genetic disease, there is no curing her disease. There is no eating our way out of this. But I wanted to support her in the best way that I possibly could. So, it’s really coming at this from a pretty…I would say in those early years of her diagnosis, I mean, a pretty desperate position, feeling like I was out of control of her health and I wanted to control whatever aspects of her health I possibly could.

And so, it took me years to get it right. And now it feels like second nature being able to cook from scratch. But it didn’t happen like that in the beginning, and my garden is the exact same way. It started much smaller than it is now. And, I mean, I wish I could show you the photos of the garden I started like 15 years ago. I mean, it was like this super dinky, ugly, unproductive thing. And it was basically a failure. And now I have a lot of success. And it wasn’t because I did anything magical, but it was that I just kept trying. And over the years, I got better at it.

Katie: I love that. And I’ll make sure I link to your book. And I know you talk about a lot of this in your book, and also to your website in the show notes. So, if you guys are listening while you’re doing something else, it’s wellnessmama.fm, all the links will be there. But speaking of books, are there any books that have had, besides your own, of course, really dramatic impact on your life and that you would recommend?

Leah: Yeah. So, I am an avid reader and it’s hard for me to choose just a couple. I really love books. And so, it’s exciting for me that I actually get to become an author. It wasn’t quite what I was ever expecting to do but it was an opportunity that sort of fell into my lap and I ran with it because I do love to read. But the two, if I had to just choose two, one would be “Gut and Psychology Syndrome” by Natasha Campbell-McBride. And this was a book that I read early on in my daughter’s diagnosis that I wanted to understand more about this gut immunity connection. And this book does a fabulous job of breaking that down. And this book helped me understand more about the value of food in the way that it impacts your microbes, and how those microbes affect your immunity.

And so, with two kids with these different medical problems, and me with my son with asthma and allergies, this is an overactive immune response. And by restricting our diet and really focusing on the quality of our foods, his condition has drastically improved. I mean, it’s so hard for me to tell whether or not that’s a result of what we’ve done as far as work for lifestyle changes and diet, or if it’s just him growing out of these things. I mean, these are things that I’m never gonna know. But I feel pretty confident that the dietary choices that we’ve made have really helped support him. So this is a great book for anybody who’s interested, “Gut and Psychology Syndrome.” This is a good book for anyone interested in learning more about food, and microbes, and your digestion.

And then another one is actually one that I read recently that’s a memoir by Pam Houston, “Deep Creek”. And I sometimes get bogged down by all of the issues that I hear about with environmental problems and agriculture. And her memoir was such a beautiful contribution to the environment that she loves so much. And so, I think for anyone who is an environmentalist and who does feel this real sense of passion for the natural world around you, it’s just such a relatable book. And so, I really enjoyed that one as of recent.

Katie: I love both of those. And I’ll make sure they’re linked in the show notes. And for anyone who wants to continue learning from you, where can they find you online?

Leah: So, I am at deeprootedwellness.com. I’m in the process of kind of switching my website over. But for now, that should keep working for years to come as well, that can at least redirect you to whatever my new website is gonna be. And then, I’m on Facebook as Leah M Webb, or on Instagram as Leah_m_webb. And I am doing a lot of public speaking these days, I’m traveling to promote my book, and then also just to do more work talking to families about the topics that we’ve talked about today. And so, if they get on my website, they can find my events page. And I have events all over the country coming up this year, and I imagine it will be the same. And so, hopefully, they can come and see me speak somewhere.

Katie: Awesome, Leah. Thank you so much for being here and for all that you do to educate about this topic. I think it’s an increasingly important one. And I’m so grateful that there are people like you out there making it practical.

Leah: Yeah, and same to you. I mean, your website is such a wealth of information, especially for recipes and DIY stuff and just all of this general information. There’s a group of us moms, actually, that meets a few times a year and we do a lot of the recipes that are on your website. So we’ve used your beeswax stuff and some of your soaps, and yeah, so it’s a great resource as well. So, I appreciate the work you do too.

Katie: Oh, thank you. And thanks to all of you for listening and sharing your time with us today. We’re so grateful that you did. And I hope that you will join me again on the next episode of the “Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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