Dr. Doni Wilson on Managing HPV Naturally

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In this episode, I’m going to go deep into answering a lot of your questions that I don’t have personal experience with HPV. This is a question I am getting more and more from and looking at more blog comments, especially with the recent vaccines that have become available for it and people are wondering if it has been reduced in various ways. can go.

And I’m here with Dr. Donnie Wilson, a naturopathic doctor, a certified midwife, and a certified nutritionist. She is a graduate of Bester University and is also the best-selling author of “Stress Remedies”. And the reason I want to keep it today is that they have a very high success rate in helping patients who have things like HPV or abnormal pop smears, even after a normal pop smear. Come back after coming, as I said, after this evaluation. She really specializes in helping people get to their root causes, such as genetic issues, reverse adrenal anxiety, autoimmunity, as I said, HPV, and cervical dysplasia, and infertility.

So we’re going to go deeper into HPV today, but many of these theories and principles apply to other types of other chronic viruses as well. And I learned a little bit from this incident, I didn’t even know it, including the fact that if you’re a woman, you have an 80% chance of getting it at some point in your life. You are a man, you will never know if you have it or not, but you may be equally at risk.

Very interesting fact that I hope you will learn as much as I did. And without further ado, let’s jump. Dr. Donnie, welcome. Thanks for coming here

Dr. Donnie: Oh, my gosh, thank you very much. I am very excited to be here with you today.

Katie: Well, I’m excited to talk about it in depth, I have a relatively large number of questions. If I am declaring it correct, it is HPV or Human Papilloma Virus. It’s actually a word I’ve never heard out loud. I know you have a lot of experience helping people in this. But first, before we jump into the specifications, I’d like to know a little bit about your background and how you’re interested in natural remedies and viral ingredients like HPV.

Dr. Donnie: Well, I’m a naturopath, and I’m 20 now. And actually, growing up, I was already interested in nutrition. Interestingly, my father is actually a pharmacist. So, one might think that I would go this way, but in reality, being a pharmacist with a father, he put a lot of emphasis on what we are eating at home and to avoid health problems. What are we taking in terms of vitamins? . And so I actually grew up in a home where there was a lot of focus on preventing the need for medical intervention.

And so when I went to study pre-med, I also studied nutrition and also got degrees in science and nutrition and I realized that I really want to study medicine as a medicine that can cure food. As integrated. And that’s when I found out about natural remedies. I grew up on the West Coast, and at the time most natural medicine centers were on the West Coast, but there was no internet. So I couldn’t google the medical school of natural remedies. I just went to naturopathic medical school.

I went to Buster University in Seattle, and when I entered I knew right away that I was in the right place because that’s why they were actually talking about how to use food and nutrition. I was particularly interested in women’s health, and so I studied to be a midwife. And so as a naturopathic doctor we were training side by side and delivering birth centers and home births, and in the process, I helped all the different health related women including HPV. There was also training to do, which we are going to talk about. Today and cervical dysplasia.

Cervical dysplasia means; what you mean when you get an abnormal pop smear, you know, when the pop comes back with abnormal cells. The general term is cervical dysplasia. And that’s how my teachers trained me, and that’s, you know, how, two decades ago, it could help women recover from HPV and the extraordinary pop up again. And I’ve been helping women ever since.

Katie: Wow, that’s amazing, and it’s great that you were a midwife too. I have a lot of respect for midwives. I am a doll and have worked with some incredible midwives and witnessed many amazing births. And of course. I have wonderful memories. And you are right. I’ll make sure we’re deep on HPV today because, as I said, I get a lot of questions about it, and it’s not something I’ve experienced first hand, and I I don’t think I’m good at it. atleast. So to get started today so that I can learn with today’s listeners, can you just define our terms like HPV?

Dr. Donnie: Well, and of course, we’re talking about a single virus, but in reality, there are over 100 different types of HPV viruses. Some of these risks are low. You know, there’s nothing they can do. Some of them are due to genital warts in both men and women. And then there are the other HPV viruses that we now know are the cause of cervical cancer in women but also oral cancer in both men and women.

So before that, when we were returning to Pap smears for the first time, we didn’t know what caused Pap smears or cervical cancer. So it’s cervical cancer, right? We didn’t know what was behind it, but eventually, research showed that HPV is actually about 100% of what causes cervical cancer in 80 to 90% of women. And then we found out that HPV can cause cancer in the mouth and oral area as well as orally for both men and women. Thus we are now becoming more and more aware of HPV.

For many years, it was not even tested. Women may get a pop smear, but they do not need to be tested for HPV. And more recently, especially around the world, I’ve been hearing more and more from women around the world who are now; doctors are testing HTV more regularly when they do a Pap smear. These are two separate tests. So you do a pop smear to look at the cells but not to look for the virus. There is a separate test. And so now that we really. Checking it out, we’re getting even more.

Katie: Gota, it makes sense. The more you check, the more likely you are to find it. And I’m glad you made the point that it’s not just a tension because it might make it harder to reduce. But other than that if we’re talking about his family, is it something that has some commonalities that work across the board or is it more difficult to deal with more stress?

Dr. Donny: Well, HPV 16 and 18 are the two we often hear associated with unusual pop smears for women. So, a lot of times when you go back to your pop smear, what you are really looking for is the two things you are looking for. That’s why I love you so much that when you return to your pop smear you really want to understand what you are looking for. One is that you see if they actually got enough cells. You know, the test was right. And so this is the first thing because if it says there are no suitable cells, they will have to repeat the pop smear.

And then the next thing you are looking for is whether the cells are normal or there were some abnormal cells. And so if they say, you know, they’re negative for nerve lesions. Basically, you wanted to say negative for abnormal cells, otherwise you would say yes, and we can talk through it, but the cells have an abnormal condition. And the third thing is that they are testing for HPV, and when they test for HPV, the labs make a little difference so you know. But it can say; if it is a very specific test, it will say whether you have HPV 6 strains 16 or 18 in which these are considered high risk strains.

Now, some labs will come back and it will only be as a general; it will only be positive for high-risk tensions. So they can’t even tell you what HPV it is and even if they know there are some variations. From my point of view, if we see that it has just returned as a high-risk type of HPV, I don’t want to work to help your body fight it. So just so you know, as soon as you see something that looks like a high risk, we want to be proactive to help prevent it from being caused by abnormal cells or cancer. ۔

Katie: All right. I think I understand. So if all this is done through a pop smear, right, like they aren’t part of a regular blood testing panel?

Dr. Donnie: Yes. It is not in the blood test. For men, there is no test. You’d think, right? You might think, and maybe at some point, one of them developed, but there’s no way to test men for HPV right now. And there is no such thing as an oral exam. There is no blood test. So right now our only way to get rid of HPV is through the vagina.

Katie: But still men; I can assume they’ll be able to carry it, right?

Dr. Donnie: Absolutely. And so it can be; I listen a lot, you know, people who had a lot of questions, and the most common questions would be that as a woman you get a pop smear back for HPV Shows positive. Now you can guess that your sexual partner must also have it because it is sexually transmitted. We can only get positive things through associations. I’m trying to think because, yes, otherwise, there is no way for man to know. And I hear more and more from men who are contacting me directly and saying, hey, they found out that their sexual partner has HPV, and now they want to be active in dealing with it. Are And that’s interesting because it never happened before.

Katie: Do we have any data on what percentage of the population has HPV? I know I’ve seen statistics that predict that 80% of women will have some strain of HPV in their lifetime, but in my opinion, the fact that something like this is necessary There must be stress that is not unusual. Smell of pop or cancer. Am I raising it properly?

Dr. Donnie: Yes. That’s a good point. Yes, I want to agree with you that this is very common. In fact, they predict that most of us will be exposed to some form of HPV at some point in our lives. Therefore, it is important to know that this virus is present everywhere. Because I think there is a big scandal about HPV. I think that because it is sexually transmitted, we think, “Oh …” We have stereotypes about sexually transmitted diseases or the kind of sexual activity that causes us to The virus can increase the risk of exposure. But really, the fact is that we will all be exposed to HPV at some point in our lives. And so I think it’s a real opportunity and a real eye-opener; don’t take it badly because I’ve heard from a lot of women who are very embarrassed and scared for their lives, their partnerships, their future. Feel Pregnancy

You know, a lot of worries come around because a lot of people are without enough information. And I also think that there is still a lot of harm in getting this virus, when in fact it is going to come in front of all of us and at some point in our lives this virus is contagious. And so it’s a very, very common virus, and as you mentioned, some of the viruses that people get exposed to have a very low risk. So you may have a lower risk of HPV and may never know it. You know, maybe it wasn’t tested. It may never be a permanent problem, and you may never know you have HPV.

But there are a certain percentage of people, and I don’t know if we know that percentage. What percentage of people are at high risk? But what we do know, and it’s really interesting, and one of the key points to me is whether 50% of people who experience HPV or come back positive for HPV, 50% of them Will clear the virus. Their immune system will fight the virus on its own within eight months. So tell them to test positive. In eight months, the virus can go away, test negative and go away. You will never have a positive experience in your whole life. So these are 50% people. 90% of people, it’s gone in two years.

So it just shows you that our bodies can fight the virus, and a large number of people can block our immune system. So the question really is what is the difference between the percentage of people who are unable to fight the virus, the people who are sensitive, and where people have the potential to cause cancer. These are the people we want to help because what I’ve found over the years is that even someone gets HPV, and it can cause abnormal cells to stop your body. There is so much we can do to become you. Part of the 90% who solved that, right? We want you at 90 جو to get rid of it, and we can do a lot to help your body function successfully.

Katie: I think you’re the perfect person to ask this, but it makes me think. So we know that HPV is sexually transmitted. Are babies at risk of birth?

Dr. Donnie: No. Other viruses, such as the herpes virus, for example, require us to take precautions when delivering a baby. HPV is not to the extent that we know there is any harm or danger to the baby. So that’s a good thing. And it’s interesting because sometimes like the beginning when you find out you’re pregnant, the first thing the doctor is going to do is a pop smear and sometimes it’s found abnormally; just at the beginning. A positive HPV will appear. Pregnancy

But depending on that; you know, hopefully, it’s just HPV and not the most severe, you know that there is something unusual about the cells in which the doctor allows the pregnancy to continue and after pregnancy غیر معمولی خلیوں سے نمٹا جائے گا۔ خوش قسمتی سے ، یہ بچے کے ل a پریشانی کی بات نہیں ہے۔ لیکن اگر آپ کو پتہ چل جاتا ہے… جیسے میں بہت ساری خواتین کے ساتھ کام کرتا ہوں جن کو پتہ چلتا ہے کہ حاملہ ہونے کی کوشش کرنے سے پہلے ہی انھیں ایچ پی وی ہے اور خلیوں سے کچھ غیر معمولی باتیں بھی ہیں ، اس معاملے میں میں کیا کرتا ہوں ہم کام کرتے ہیں ، ہم بہت حاصل کرتے ہیں حاملہ ہونے سے پہلے HPV اور غیر معمولی خلیوں سے نمٹنے کے ل focused توجہ مرکوز اور حکمت عملی بنائیں۔ صرف اس وجہ سے کہ آپ واقعی حمل میں جانے سے پہلے اس کا خیال رکھنا چاہتے ہیں کیونکہ ، ایک بار جب آپ حاملہ ہوجاتے ہیں تو ، آپ کو حمل ہونے تک اس کا ازالہ کرنے کی ضرورت ہوگی۔

کیٹی: اس سے احساس ہوتا ہے اور حمل بھی محض ہوتا ہے… بہت ساری چیزیں اس پر چلتی ہیں اور جسم پر بہت سارے دباؤ ڈالتے ہیں۔ لہذا یہ بات پوری سمجھ میں آتی ہے کہ اگر آپ حاملہ ہونے سے پہلے اپنے جسم کو اس کے حق میں تمام عوامل دینا چاہتے ہیں ، بلکہ ان خواتین کے لئے جاننا بھی حوصلہ افزا ہیں جنھیں یہ معلوم ہوتا ہے کہ انھیں حمل کے دوران ایچ پی وی ہے کہ یہ خطرناک نہیں ہے بچه. یہ واقعی اچھی خبر ہے۔ لہذا میں اس بارے میں بہت دلچسپ ہوں کیوں کہ ایسا لگتا ہے ، جیسے آپ نے کہا ، بیشتر لوگ جن کے بارے میں ہم جانتے ہیں وہ اس سے لڑنے کے قابل ہیں اور پھر اسے معمول پر لوٹ آئے ہیں۔ لوگوں میں ایچ پی وی ہوسکتا ہے اور یہاں تک کہ ایک غیر معمولی پاپ سمیر بھی ہوسکتا ہے اور پھر اس سے لڑو اور اس کے بعد اس کے بعد ایک عام پاپ سمیر ہوسکتا ہے۔ کیا آپ نے ایسا ہوتا دیکھا ہے؟

ڈاکٹر ڈونی: ہاں ، ضرور ، اور بات یہ ہے کہ جب آپ ڈاکٹر کی مستقل تقرری میں ہوتے ہیں تو ، آپ کو اکثر اس معلومات سے کچھ نہیں کہا جاتا ہے۔ تو بہت بار ، ڈاکٹر کہے گا… کیونکہ ڈاکٹر جانتا ہے کہ بہت بار ، یہ خود ہی حل ہوجاتا ہے۔ تو ڈاکٹر کو شاید مثبت HPV نظر آئے اور آپ کو صرف پریشان ہونے کی بات کرنے کی بات کہی۔ چھ ماہ یا ایک سال میں واپس آجائیں اور آپ کو دروازہ باہر بھیج دیں۔ اور آپ جیسے ہوسکتے ہیں ، “کیا؟ مجھے وائرس ہے؟ کیا؟ مجھے کچھ نہیں کرنا ہے؟

اور اس طرح یہ واقعی آپ کو کسی ایسی جگہ پھانسی دے سکتی ہے جہاں آپ کی طرح محسوس ہوتا ہے ، “میں اس کے بارے میں کچھ کرنا چاہتا ہوں۔” اور یہ عام طور پر جب خواتین مجھ سے رابطہ کرتی ہیں تو وہ یہ کہہ رہی ہوتی ہیں ، “ارے ، میں جانتا ہوں کہ میں انتظار کرسکتا ہوں اور دیکھ سکتا ہوں۔ میں جانتا ہوں کہ اعلی فیصد ہونے کا امکان یہ ہے کہ وہ خود ہی دور ہوجائے گا ، لیکن میں اپنی صحت کے بارے میں متحرک رہوں گا اور اس بات کو یقینی بناتا ہوں کہ یہ دور ہوجاتا ہے۔ اور یہی وہ جگہ ہے جہاں ہم غذائی تغیرات اور غذائی اجزاء اور جڑی بوٹیوں کے علاج کے لحاظ سے بہت کچھ کرسکتے ہیں جن کے پیچھے کافی تحقیق ہوتی ہے اور اس کے علاوہ یہ بھی ثابت ہوتا ہے کہ وہ کام کرسکتے ہیں۔

اور یہاں بات یہ ہے کہ HPV کے بارے میں سوچا جاتا ہے… ایک بار جب آپ اس کے سامنے آجائیں تو ، بہت سارے مشق کرنے والے اس کے بارے میں سوچتے ہیں کہ ہمیشہ آپ کے جسم میں رہتا ہے۔ وہ آپ کو کہیں گے ، آپ جانتے ہو ، HPV ہمیشہ ممکنہ طور پر موجود رہتا ہے ، اور اس کی وجہ یہ ہے کہ ، بہت سارے دوسرے وائرسوں کی طرح ، HPV غیر فعال ہوسکتا ہے ، جسے ہم غیر فعال کہتے ہیں۔ تو کبھی کبھی ، آپ کو مثبت HPV ٹیسٹ مل جائے گا ، اور ہمیں ہمیشہ اس بات پر غور کرنا ہوگا کہ شاید HPV آپ کے جسم میں 5 سال یا 10 سال یا 20 سال تک غیر فعال رہا ہو ، ٹھیک ہے؟

جب آپ HPV کو مثبت سمجھتے ہیں تو اس کا مطلب یہ نہیں ہے کہ آپ کو حال ہی میں اس کے سامنے لایا گیا تھا۔ آپ کو برسوں پہلے اس کا انکشاف ہوسکتا تھا ، اور یہ حال ہی میں کسی ٹیسٹ پر مثبت ہوا ہے۔ لہذا HPV ایک غیر فعال وائرس ہوسکتا ہے ، اور میں سمجھتا ہوں ، “ارے ، اگر ہم کم از کم اسے غیر فعال کردیں تو۔” ہم واقعتا نہیں جانتے کیونکہ وہاں دوری کی آزمائش کا کوئی طریقہ نہیں ہے۔ چاہے ہم وائرس کو تشنگی کا شکار بنائیں یا جس طرح سے میں اس کے بارے میں سوچتا ہوں وہ یہ ہے کہ اگر ہم کسی ٹیسٹ میں وائرس کو منفی شکل دے سکتے ہیں۔ پھر ہم اچھے ہیں۔ خوش تھے. ہم اس کے بجائے صرف منفی ہوں گے چاہے وہ غیر فعال ہو یا جسم سے مکمل طور پر صاف ہو۔ کم از کم یہ مثبت نہیں ہے کیونکہ ، جب HPV مثبت ہے ، اسی وقت جب اسے غیر معمولی خلیوں کا سبب بننے کا موقع ملتا ہے۔

کیٹی: ٹھیک ہے۔ لہذا اگر کوئی آپ کے پاس آتا ہے اور انہیں حال ہی میں پتہ چلا ہے کہ ان کے پاس ایچ پی وی ہے ، چاہے یہ زیادہ خطرناک تناؤ میں سے ایک ہو یا نہیں ، آپ ان کے ساتھ لے کر چلنے والے پہلے اقدامات میں سے کچھ ہیں؟ اس طرح کے طریقہ کار سے ہمیں چلنا چاہئے کیونکہ میرا خیال ہمیشہ سے ہی روایتی دوا کی طرح ہوتا تھا کہ واقعی میں وائرس کا کوئی خاص علاج نہیں ہوتا ہے۔ اور ہم یقینی طور پر دیکھ رہے ہیں کہ ابھی وسیع پیمانے پر اس پر تبادلہ خیال کیا جارہا ہے۔ لیکن عام طور پر یہ آپ نے سمجھایا ہے کہ وہ چیزیں جسم اکثر سنبھال سکتی ہیں۔ تو میں جاننا چاہتا ہوں کہ آپ کس طرح… جیسے مجھے یقین ہے کہ یہ ایک کثیر جہتی نقطہ نظر ہے ، لیکن جب آپ کے پاس کوئی اس کے ساتھ آئے تو آپ کیا کریں؟

ڈاکٹر ڈونی: ٹھیک ہے ، جس طرح سے میں اسے سوچنا شروع کروں گا وہ ہے حساسیتوں کے بارے میں سوچنا۔ تو واقعی جب ہم یہ سوچ رہے ہیں کہ یہ کیا چیز ہے جو آپ کو بنا رہی ہے یا ، آپ جانتے ہو ، یہ شخص اس وائرس کا شکار ہے۔ اور کچھ حساسیت جو ہمیں معلوم ہے کہ پیدائش پر قابو پانے کی ایک گولی ہے یا کسی بھی طرح کی ہارمونول جیسے یہ ہارمونل IUD ہی کیوں نہ ہو۔ ہم جانتے ہیں کہ ان ہارمون کی نمائشوں ، خاص طور پر پیدائش پر قابو پانے والی گولی سے آپ کے ایچ پی وی کے مثبت ہونے اور پاپ کی غیر معمولی خرابی ظاہر ہونے کے امکانات بڑھ سکتے ہیں۔ لہذا اگر آپ برتھ کنٹرول کی گولی پر ہیں یا ہارمونل برتھ کنٹرول استعمال کررہے ہیں۔ یہ ہمارے لئے غور کرنے کے لئے ایک حساسیت ہوگی۔ ہم یہ بھی جانتے ہیں کہ سگریٹ تمباکو نوشی ایچ پی وی اور غیر معمولی خلیوں کے زیادہ خطرہ سے وابستہ ہے۔ لہذا ، ابھی ، وہ اوپر سے کچھ جوڑے ہیں ، اور خطرے کو بڑھانے کے لئے تحقیق میں اچھی طرح سے قائم ہیں۔

دوسرا علاقہ جس پر میں بہت زیادہ توجہ دیتا ہوں وہ دباؤ ہے ، اور یہ قدرتی طریقہ کار ڈاکٹر کی حیثیت سے بہرحال میری دلچسپی ہے۔ لیکن ایک دائی کی حیثیت سے اپنی تربیت میں واپس جانا ، جب میں نے مزدوری کے عمل کے ذریعے خواتین کی مدد کرنا سیکھ رہی تھی تو میں نے کیا سیکھا ، میں نے مزدوری کے دوران مزدوری اور تناؤ کے خوف کا مطالعہ کیا۔ اور میں نے لیبر میں خواتین سے سیکھے اسباق کو لیا اور آج بھی صحت کی تمام مختلف حالتوں میں استعمال کرتا ہوں۔ میں نے جو کچھ پایا وہ یہ ہے کہ مشقت کے دوران ، تناؤ کی ایک خاص مقدار موجود ہے جو مزدوری کو صحیح کام کرنے کے ل. ضروری ہے۔ لیبر کو ترقی دینے کے ل، ، ہمیں ایک خاص مقدار میں تناؤ کے ہارمونز ، کورٹیسول اور ایڈرینالائن کی ضرورت ہوتی ہے ، تاکہ عام جسمانی مشقت کے عمل کے ل. اپنے جسم کو اشارہ کریں۔

اور بہت کم تناؤ ہارمونز لیبر نہیں ہوتا ہے۔ ایک ہی وقت میں ، اگر ہمارے پاس بہت زیادہ تناؤ ہے اور کافی مدد نہیں ہے تو ، لیبر اسٹال ہے اور یا تو اچھی طرح سے نہیں ہوتا ہے ، اور یہیں سے ایک ڈولا آتا ہے۔ آپ نے ایک ڈوولا کا ذکر کیا ، جو لیبر سپورٹ شخص ہے ، اور تحقیق ڈولاس پر یہ بات بالکل واضح ہے کہ جب خواتین میں دباؤ ہوتا ہے ، جو تناؤ کو کم کرنے میں مدد کرنے کے لئے لیبر سپورٹ ہوتا ہے تو ، ان کی لیبر زیادہ مؤثر طریقے سے ترقی کرتی ہے۔ لہذا یہ ہمیں ظاہر کرتا ہے کہ ہمیں تناؤ کے ہارمونز کی کچھ مقدار کی ضرورت ہے ، لیکن ہمارے قدرتی جسمانی عمل کو صحیح طریقے سے چلنے کے ل stress تناؤ سے بازیافت اور بفر کرنے کے لئے بھی مدد کی ضرورت ہے۔

اور اس ل I میں یہ سبق لیتا ہوں اور اسے صحت کے تمام مختلف امور میں لاگو کرتا ہوں ، جن میں HPV اور dysplasia شامل ہیں۔ کیونکہ ہم جو واضح طور پر جانتے ہیں وہ یہ ہے کہ جب ہم بہت دباؤ میں ہیں تو ہمارا مدافعتی نظام بھی وائرس سے بچنے کے قابل نہیں ہوگا۔ اور میں ان خواتین میں کیا دیکھتا ہوں جن کے ساتھ میں HPV اور غیر معمولی پاپ مہاسوں کے ساتھ کام کرتا ہوں ، میں ہمیشہ ان سے پوچھتا ہوں ، “کیا آپ کی زندگی میں گذشتہ دو مہینوں یا گذشتہ سال میں کوئی خاص تناؤ آیا ہے؟” اور تقریبا 100 100٪ وقت وہ مجھ سے کہتے ہیں ، “بالکل۔ میری فیملی میں موت ہوئی۔ میں گریجویٹ ڈگری ختم کر رہا تھا۔ مجھے یہ واقعی دباؤ کام تھا۔ میں بہت سفر کر رہا تھا اور ٹائم زون تبدیل کر رہا تھا۔ میں نے اپنی غذا بدلا اور پہلے کی طرح صحت مند نہیں کھا رہا تھا۔ “

آپ جانتے ہو ، لہذا میں ہر وقت حالیہ ماضی میں ہم دباؤ کی نشاندہی کرنے میں کامیاب رہا جس نے اس شخص کو اس HPV وائرس کا زیادہ امکان بنادیا ہے۔ ایک بار پھر ، مجھے لگتا ہے کہ وائرس اپنے لئے ایک خوشگوار گھر کی تلاش کر رہا ہے ، ٹھیک ہے؟ اور اس طرح ایسا ماحول مل جائے گا جہاں دفاعی نظام اس سے لڑنے والا نہ ہو۔ لہذا اگر آپ کا مدافعتی نظام دباؤ کے مختلف عوامل اور ہوسکتا ہے کہ غذا اور نیند کی کمی کی وجہ سے ختم ہوجائے تو ، آپ اس وائرس سے بھی مقابلہ نہیں کرسکیں گے۔ اور اسی وجہ سے میں آپ کی مدد کرنا شروع کروں گا کشیدگی کی بحالی میں آپ کی مدد کریں کیونکہ تب ہم آپ کے مدافعتی نظام کو اس وائرس سے لڑنے میں مدد فراہم کریں گے۔

کیٹی: یہ بہت دلچسپ ہے ، اور اس سے مجھے حیرت ہوتی ہے… کاش ہم آزمائش کر سکتے۔ اس سے مجھے حیرت ہوتی ہے کہ آیا واقعتا men اس میں مردوں کی تعداد میں بہت زیادہ تعداد موجود ہے ، اور ہم نہیں جانتے کیوں کہ ہم صرف اس وجہ سے جانچ نہیں کررہے ہیں کہ مجھے معلوم ہے کہ یہ COVID وائرس سے منظرعام پر آیا ہے جس کی ایک وجہ… ان کا خیال ہے کہ خواتین اس کو بہتر طریقے سے سنبھال سکتی ہیں ، اور خواتین میں کم پیچیدگیاں ہیں کیونکہ خواتین کے مدافعتی نظام عام طور پر زیادہ متحرک رہتے ہیں اور اسی وجہ سے ، ہمیں یہ بھی معلوم ہے کہ خواتین کو خود بخود بیماری کی شرح زیادہ ہوتی ہے کیونکہ ہمارے مدافعتی نظام بھی زیادہ متحرک ہوسکتے ہیں۔ لیکن یہ واقعی مجھے جانتا ہے کہ اگر ایسے بہت سارے مرد موجود ہوں تو ہمارے پاس یہ جاننے کا کوئی طریقہ نہیں ہوتا کہ اس طرح کے خاموش کیریئر کون ہیں۔ لیکن مجھے لگتا ہے کہ یہ بھی میری ہیڈ ڈرائنگ سے متعلق ہے۔ کیا ہم اس میں سے کچھ معلومات لے سکتے ہیں ، جو ہم ڈھونڈ رہے ہیں ، اور اس کی طرح جو آپ اپنے مریضوں کے ساتھ ایچ پی وی کے بارے میں دیکھ رہے ہیں۔ کیا یہ ایسی چیز ہے جو دائمی وائرس کی دیگر اقسام پر لاگو ہوتی ہے؟ جیسے آپ کسی بھی قسم کے دائمی وائرس کے ذریعے اس تناؤ کے اجزا کو بنے ہوئے قسم کی طرح دیکھتے ہیں؟

ڈاکٹر ڈونی: بالکل ہاں ، ایپسٹین بار وائرس ، ہرپس وائرس ، آپ اسے یقینی طور پر نام دیں۔ اور میں مختلف انفیکشن میں بہت مدد کرتا ہوں۔ آپ جانتے ہیں ، میں اس کے بارے میں بہت کچھ سوچتا ہوں جو میں کرتا ہوں اس سے لوگوں کو یہ سیکھنے میں مدد ملتی ہے کہ ان کے جسم کو روکنے میں کس طرح یہ خمیر اور بیکٹیریل ہے ، آپ کو معلوم ہے کہ بہت زیادہ گروہوں اور انفیکشن ہیں۔ ہم اس کو اس نقطہ نظر سے دیکھنا چاہتے ہیں کہ ہم آپ کے جسم کو اس کے بہتر کام کرنے میں کس طرح مدد کرتے ہیں۔

یہاں براہ راست غذائی اجزاء اور جڑی بوٹیاں ہیں جو مثال کے طور پر وٹامن سی جیسے مدافعتی نظام کی مدد کریں گی۔ ہم وٹامن سی کو جانتے ہیں تاکہ وٹامن سی پر اتنی تحقیق وائرس سے بچنے کے لئے مدافعتی نظام کی مدد کرتی ہے۔

لہذا ، جس طرح ہم سردی یا فلو وائرس کے لئے وٹامن سی کا استعمال کرتے ہیں ، اسی طرح ہم وٹامن سی کو بھی ایچ پی وی وائرس سے بچانے میں مدد دیتے ہیں ، وٹامن اے کے ساتھ ہی ، آپ جانتے ہو ، وٹامن اے جس میں عام طور پر ہمیں ایک بیٹا کیروٹین بنتا ہے جس میں تبدیل ہوتا ہے۔ ہمارے جسم میں وٹامن اے ، لیکن آپ اصلی وٹامن اے کا استعمال بھی کرسکتے ہیں۔ میں یہ بات ہچکچاہٹ کے ساتھ کہہ رہا ہوں کیونکہ میں اس بات کو یقینی بنانا چاہتا ہوں کہ آپ کسی طبیب کے ساتھ کام کر رہے ہو تاکہ آپ کو صحیح خوراک کی مدد کر سکے کیونکہ ہم آپ کو طبی لحاظ سے موثر ہونے میں مدد کرنا چاہتے ہیں۔ خوراکیں. لیکن ، یقینا ، ہم نہیں چاہتے ہیں کہ آپ ان میں سے کسی بھی خوراک کو زیادہ کریں۔

لیکن میں یہ بتانا چاہتا ہوں کہ ہم اپنے غذائی اجزاء کو بھی استعمال کرسکتے ہیں اور جڑی بوٹیاں مدافعتی نظام پر براہ راست کام کرسکتے ہیں تاکہ ہمارے مدافعتی نظام کے اینٹی وائرل فنکشن کو بڑھاوا سکے۔ علاج کے نقطہ نظر کا یہی ایک درجہ ہے ، اور یہ کہ آپ کو اکثر پریکٹیشنرز سے معلوم ہوگا جو HPV میں مدد کرتے ہیں وہ یہ ہے کہ وہ اس سطح پر براہ راست جائیں گے ، “آئیے آپ وائرس سے لڑنے کے لئے اپنے دفاعی نظام کو فروغ دیتے ہیں۔” میں جو کہوں گا ، ہاں ، ہم یہ کرنا چاہتے ہیں ، لیکن ہمیں آپ کے دباؤ کو دور کرنا بھی یاد رکھنا چاہئے۔ نہ صرف یہ کہ ایک طرح سے لوگ تناؤ کے بارے میں سوچتے ہیں ، “ٹھیک ہے۔ مجھے صرف اپنے تناؤ کو کم کرنے کی کوشش کرنی ہوگی ، لیکن بعض اوقات یہ مشکل ہوتا ہے۔ میرا مطلب ہے ، اگر آپ کو کام کرنا ہے یا یہ کہنا ہے کہ آپ والدین ہیں اور آپ کے پاس… آپ کو معلوم ہے ، بعض اوقات یہ مشکل ہوجاتا ہے کہ ، “میں اپنے تناؤ کی نمائش کو کیسے کم کرسکتا ہوں؟” ایسا کرنے کا ایک طریقہ یہ ہے کہ میں ان چیزوں سے شروعات کروں گا جن پر ہماری غذا کی طرح زیادہ کنٹرول ہے۔

ہماری غذا کو تبدیل کرنے کے ایسے طریقے ہیں جو تناؤ کے بوجھ یا سوزش کے بوجھ کو کم کرنے والے ہیں۔ ہمارے پاس کافی نیند آنے کو یقینی بنانے میں مدد کرنے کے بھی طریقے موجود ہیں تاکہ ہم اپنے جسموں کو صحت مند ہونے اور اپنے دفاعی نظام کو کام کرنے کا وقت دے رہے ہیں۔ اور پھر اس سے ایک اور سطح پر جو میں کرتا ہوں وہ دراصل تناؤ کی بازیابی والے لوگوں کی مدد کرنا ہے ، جس کا مطلب ہے کہ ہم جسم میں کورٹیسول اور ایڈرینالائن کی سطح کی پیمائش کرسکتے ہیں۔ اور اگر ہم دیکھتے ہیں کہ کورٹیسول اوپر کی طرف ہے یا نیچے کی طرف ، جو تناؤ کے ساتھ ہوتا ہے ، تو ہمارا کورٹیسول اوپر جاتا ہے یا نیچے جاتا ہے ، پھر ہم جڑی بوٹیاں اور غذائی اجزاء اور قدرتی طریق کار استعمال کرسکتے ہیں تاکہ اس کورٹیسول کو پٹری پر واپس لے جا سکے۔

ہم چاہتے ہیں کہ کورٹیسول صبح کے وقت اونچی ہو اور دن کے ساتھ آہستہ آہستہ کم ہوجائے۔ اور ہم واقعتا steps آپ کے کورٹیسول کو اس طرز پر واپس آنے میں مدد کرنے کے لئے اقدامات کر سکتے ہیں کیونکہ ہمارے جسم میں کوریسول ایک اہم میسنجر ہے جو سگنل بھیجتا ہے جو ہمیں دباؤ نہ ہونے کا اشارہ دیتا ہے۔ ہم چاہتے ہیں کہ کورٹیسول مدافعتی نظام کو یہ اشارہ بھیجے کہ ، “ارے ، قوت مدافعت ، وہاں ایک وائرس ہے۔ آئیے اس سے لڑیں۔ ہم چاہتے ہیں کہ کورٹیسول آپ کے عمل انہضام سے صحتمند طریقے سے بات کرے تاکہ آپ اپنا کھانا اچھی طرح سے ہضم کریں اور اپنے غذائی اجزاء حاصل کریں۔ ہم چاہتے ہیں کہ کورٹیسول ہارمونز سے بات چیت کرے اور ہارمونز کو توازن میں رکھے اور اعصابی نظام کو توازن میں رکھے۔ اور اسی طرح میں بھی اس میں سے ایک… یہ ایک اہم فرق ہے جو مجھے اپنے کامیاب مقدمات سے HPV سے نمٹنے کے ساتھ ملتا ہے وہ یہ ہے کہ ہم اس سطح پر کام کرتے ہیں جس کی وجہ سے میں تناؤ کی بازیابی کو یقینی بناتا ہوں تاکہ آپ کا کورٹیسول آپ کے خلاف کام کرنے کی بجائے کام کر رہا ہو۔ آپ ، اگر یہ سمجھ میں آتا ہے۔

کیٹی: ہاں۔ یہ بالکل کرتا ہے ، اور مجھے لگتا ہے کہ آپ ٹھیک ہیں۔ میرے خیال میں تناؤ اتنا اہم مشترکہ دھاگہ ہے کیونکہ آپ نے تھوڑی بہت بات کی ہے جیسے تناؤ اتنا دور جاسکتا ہے جس سے ہم سوچتے ہیں جیسے ، “اوہ ، میں تناؤ کا شکار ہوں۔” یہ جسمانی چیزیں ہوسکتی ہیں۔ یہ طرز زندگی کے عوامل ہوسکتے ہیں ، چاہے وہ چیزیں ہوں جن کے ساتھ ہم رابطے میں آرہے ہیں جو ہمارے جسم پر دباؤ ڈال رہے ہیں یہاں تک کہ اگر ہمیں تناؤ محسوس نہیں ہوتا ہے۔ میرے خیال میں ، آپ جانتے ہو ، تناؤ کے بارے میں سوچنا آسان ہے اور بس اسی طرح ، “اوہ ، آج میں خود کو دباؤ محسوس کرتا ہوں ،” لیکن جیسے آپ بات کر رہے ہو ایسی بہت سی چیزیں ہیں جو آپ کے جسم میں اس ردعمل کا سبب بن سکتی ہیں کہ آپ شاید آپ پہچان بھی نہیں سکتے ہیں ، جو آپ کی باتوں کی بازگشت ہے اس لئے کہ کسی پریکٹیشنر کے ساتھ مل کر کام کرنا اور ان سب چیزوں پر واقعتا deep گہری بات کرنا خاص طور پر جب آپ چربی گھلنشیل وٹامنز اور ایسی چیزوں کے بارے میں بات کر رہے ہیں جو ہوسکتی ہیں بہت موثر لیکن آپ بھی اتنا زیادہ نہیں لینا چاہتے جیسے آپ نے کہا تھا۔ کیا عام لیبز یا عام چیزیں ، ایسی دوسری چیزیں جو آپ اپنے مریضوں کے ساتھ چلاتے ہیں ، کوئی دوسری مشترکات جو آپ کو معلوم ہوتی ہیں کہ وہ زیادہ تر معاملات میں مددگار ثابت ہوتی ہیں؟

Dr. Doni: In addition to standard blood work, like we wanna look for any other effects of stress like maybe if there’s any anemia or iron deficiency or thyroid imbalances. So we wanna do blood work to look for those things so we can address them. Essentially, we wanna get your body as healthy as possible. So, while it’s tempting to really focus on the virus and vaginally, I wanna help you think big picture and think of your whole body. We want your body as healthy as possible so that you can fend off this virus. Interestingly, by the way, for women who are then preparing for a pregnancy, this process actually gets you super healthy for that future pregnancy because we’re gonna help you do the stress recovery and get your body as healthy as possible, which is exactly what you want for pregnancy too. So you’re kind of multitasking in that situation.

And, of course, you want to…even if you’re not trying for pregnancy, you wanna get your body to that healthiest state, which is when you’re gonna fend off this virus the best. And what I find is when people do that…because a lot of times people will say, “Well, if I do that, is that virus just gonna come back in five years?” And what I find is that’s not the case that when we build your body and get things really back on track again, you’re gonna be fending off this virus into the future. I hear from patients 10 years later, 15 years later, and the virus has not come back positive again. It’s a long-lasting approach.

In terms of your question of what other tests that we do in order to do that. We do the blood work, but then we also do tests that are not in a common…you know, that your doctor’s office is not often gonna do like I mentioned cortisol. We wanna look at your cortisol levels, which is either tested in saliva or urine, because we wanna see the cortisol not just at a single time of day. We wanna see the cortisol in the morning versus the mid-day versus the evening versus the bedtime because, again, it should be higher in the morning and gradually decreasing through the day. When I can see your cortisol levels, that tells me how your body has been affected by stress to this point in time in your life. And so from there, we can really become strategic about getting it back on track again. We can also measure adrenaline levels, and that’s a urine test.

And the other test that I find is key, and I’m so glad you asked me about this, Katie, I find that checking for food sensitivities is so important. And it’s, again, not something that you’ll often hear or think of automatically related to HPV. It’s just that I have been doing this testing side by side. I do a lot of food sensitivity panels in my practice in general, and I was doing them for patients with HPV. And what I found is that the patients with HPV and abnormal Pap smears always come back with food sensitivities. And what that means to me is that they must have intestinal permeability or what we call leaky gut. And the thing is that when the intestinal cells are not as healthy as they could be which is caused by stress of various types. When those intestinal cells are not as healthy as they could be, it allows food to leak through and trigger the immune system. And what starts happening is the immune system starts to protect you from the food you’re eating often.

So some people kind of think, “Oh, wow, I did this food panel, and it just showed that I’m reacting to all the foods I eat.” That’s the definition of leaky gut. That means that your food is not getting digested well. It’s leaking through the intestinal cells, and it’s triggering an immune response. So think about it. Now, if you have your immune system protecting you from your foods, it’s busy protecting you from your foods, and creating a lot of inflammation in your digestion. That’s going to make you more predisposed to the HPV virus and abnormal cells on the cervix. For a lot of people, it’s hard to…you know, it’s not a connection we often think of.

A lot of times people aren’t…you know, it’s surprising to even find out that food sensitivities are related to other conditions like headaches or migraines and joint pain and autoimmunity, but I would add HPV and abnormal Pap smears to that list because I so often find that the two coincide. And what happens is once we have that food sensitivity panel…so this is a specific food panel for IgA and IgG antibodies to foods. Once we see which foods your immune system’s trying to protect you from, let’s say the most common ones are gluten and dairy and eggs. If you see that you’re reacting to those foods, then you know which foods to eliminate from your diet because those foods right now are inflammatory, and they’re making your immune system active against the foods instead of having your immune system help you fight off this virus.

So we remove those foods from your diet, and then we work on healing the intestinal lining. And by doing that, again, we’re decreasing your susceptibility to this virus. And I find that that makes a huge difference in terms of like I have some cases where we just do the standard antiviral approaches to HPV without doing a food panel or without addressing cortisol. And those cases are not as likely to successfully eliminate the virus. But when we address leaky gut and the food sensitivities and we address the cortisol, then we’re getting to this deeper level of helping your body recover from stress. And those are the cases that get rid of HPV the fastest and recover, you know, the most fully from this virus. So I really wanna point that out because it’s not something…you might not hear that everywhere.

Katie: Yeah, such a good point. I mean, as you’re saying these things, I keep thinking too like…considering so many women likely have this and have no idea. These all sound like things that we should all address in general anyway because, like in my experience, gut health and leaky gut resolving that fixed…was a part of fixing my autoimmune issues. And I had stress and sleep connection issues. And so these kind of all work together, and I think women especially are more likely to struggle with problems related to any of them. So addressing everything in a big picture like this it makes so much sense that it would be able to resolve a virus as well. Do you know offhand what percentage of people usually are able to resolve HPV using a protocol like this?

Dr. Doni: In the cases that I’ve worked on over the past 20 years, the percentage is very high. I would even be likely to say greater than 90% even 95%. I’m hoping to get this documented so that I can have it in a, you know, documented study. From the cases that I’ve worked on, it’s a very high percentage of cases where we can, you know, get the virus to negative on a test result. But not only that, but I also see women with different degrees of abnormality on the Pap smear. So, we didn’t talk that through as much, but the brief version would be, you know, HPV, it starts to irritate the cells on the cervix is the way I think about it. And this is what the pathologist is looking for when they look at the cells on a Pap smear. They’re looking for, “Do these cells look like a healthy cell that lives on a cervix, or it is it starting to look a little bit misshapen or a little bit different size?” And so there’s degrees.

So they might say one of the first…the more mild form would be what we call ASCUS or abnormal cells of unknown significance, which is kind of a funny name, right? It just means that there’s a little bit inflamed cells, which could be caused by HPV, but it could also be caused by other things like Candida like a yeast infection or other kinds of inflammation on a cervix. So, that’s a very mild form, which is more easily corrected…more quickly corrected.

Then we go into what we call CIN or, you know, this is when there’s intraepithelial neoplasia. That’s how they call it, is a CIN 1, 2, or 3. So CIN 1 is the more mild and then it goes to CIN 2 and then CIN 3. CIN 3 is the step before it goes to pre-cancer. So we can actually identify this quite early before it goes to pre-cancer or cancer cells, and that’s where we wanna catch it. We’d rather. That’s why they recommend doing Pap smears on a regular basis so that we can hopefully catch it in these early stages.

Now, there’s different ways to treat that. You know, if some of you have had that test results come back, sometimes doctors will treat it with what’s called a leap procedure, which is like a, you know, in-office electrosurgical procedure to remove the abnormal cells. If it’s more advanced like a CIN 3 or pre-cancer, what’s called in situ, then they may wanna remove part of the cervix, which is called a cone biopsy. Then if it becomes into in situ or cancer, then they start talking about removing the cervix or even a hysterectomy, having to have a hysterectomy.

So we wanna prevent that. We wanna start working on it earlier, and the thing is, there actually are documented studies that show that we can use dietary changes, nutrients, herbal approaches that can address these abnormal cells when they’re in that ASCUS to CIN 1 and CIN 2 and even CIN 3 range and get them back to normal cells without having to do any kind of medical intervention. That’s an amazing thing that the doctors are probably not gonna mention because that’s not their specialty. They don’t specialize in using diet and nutrients and herbs. So they’re not gonna even know how to address that.

But I want your listeners to know that that’s possible that we can actually…if you think about it, we’re gonna help this…the cells on the cervix are just like the cells on your skin, right? Our skin, we have dead skin cells that slough off, and we grow back new cells. So on the cervix is the same. We can slough off the abnormal cells, and your body can grow back new healthy cells on the cervix. So that’s what we start to work on is how to help your body grow back healthy cells, how to get rid of the virus so it’s not bothering your healthy cells. And this is how we can get a Pap smear back to normal again.

Katie: So, I’m curious what your take is like for women who have had an abnormal Pap smear and who maybe their doctor is recommending one of those in-office procedures or that’s kind of been recommended. Do you think that there are cases where that’s good and necessary, or do you think in some cases that can be avoided? Because it makes me think of kind of even a little bit like the cancer debate. I know there’s a lot of alternative cancer treatments out there. My thought’s always been if someone…even if they wanna go with conventional cancer treatment, there doesn’t seem to be any harm in also supporting the body from a dietary perspective and also supporting the body from a reduction of stress or for the case of cancer, you know, like using tools like fasting, which are shown to be synergistic with chemo. So even if you’re gonna do chemo, fasting might improve your outcome. What’s your take on that in relation to some of these procedures? Is it better to do them or not do them or is it case-specific?

Dr. Doni: I would say case-specific. It’s a great question. I’m so glad you’re, you know, bringing that up because they are…the way I look at it is it has to be the right decision for each individual. So, for one person, the right choice might be to do say the leap procedure and alongside that make diet changes and use some of these interventions we’re talking about to help prevent the virus from coming back because that’s…the thing is you might do one leap procedure, and then it might come back again next year or in five years. And then there’s cases where they’re having to have leap procedures repeated over and over, or you might have even say you have more advanced abnormal cells, and you need to do a cone biopsy. But you wanna still be I would say using these natural approaches alongside of it because I see cases of women who had their cervix and even had a hysterectomy, and the virus can come back in the vaginal tissue.

And so this is something we call vein, which is where the virus causes abnormal cells in the vaginal tissue. So this virus doesn’t wanna give up, right? If it thinks it’s a happy home for it, it’s gonna find another way. And so we wanna make it so that your body is not a happy home for HPV. I agree with you or I think what you’re saying is really important. No matter what you choose in terms of how you wanna address the current abnormal cells, I would encourage you to still be thinking of stress recovery, dietary changes, nutrients. You know, let’s get your body healthy so that you don’t have…this isn’t coming back and this isn’t getting worse.

کیٹی: ہاں ، بالکل Yeah. That makes complete sense.

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I’m curious as well. I know that it’s a controversial subject. So if you wanna skip it, I totally understand. But there is now a vaccine for HPV that gets recommended, especially for teenagers, and this question has come up quite a bit with the audience. I’m curious your take on that and if you think that it can be beneficial, or are there also potential concerns that we might need to be aware of with it as well.

Dr. Doni: Definitely. The Gardasil vaccine and there’s different versions of the vaccine that have been developed over time. The one that’s used most often now is what’s called a Gardasil 1 or excuse me, 9. And the 9 stands for the number of different types of HPV that it works against. So one thing to know and keep in mind is even if you do that vaccine, it’s going to be potentially protecting you from those 9 strains, which includes the 16 and 18. The most risky ones are the ones most associated with cancer. Those are included in the 9, but the vaccine doesn’t fend off all the hundreds of types of HPV.

So I also see cases where people have gotten the vaccine, and they still get HPV, and they can still get an abnormal Pap smear. So just know that it’s not 100%. It’s not like it’s gonna be you do the vaccine and you don’t have to worry anymore. You do the vaccine, and you still have to do Pap smears, and you still might get HPV. So I feel like that’s really important information. You know, anytime you’re gonna do a vaccine, I feel like it’s most important to get as much information as you can, and so I always encourage you to do your research and look up what are the potential side effects of this vaccine. What have other people experienced? How likely is it that you might experience a side effect? Then you can make more of an informed decision about it because it’s they are…

You know, with all things, there is some risk of side effects and there is some risk of harm with the vaccine. And so you have to weigh that out for yourself and think through, you know, “In my situation or in my child’s situation, is it worth it to do this vaccine to potentially cover for these nine types of HPV?” At the same time, I’m hoping with information I’m sharing to help you know that if and when you or your child is exposed to HPV or does come back positive to HPV, there’s a lot we can do to fend off that virus, you know, so that it doesn’t get the chance to cause cancer. So just knowing that, knowing, “Okay. Here’s this vaccine. Here’s what it covers. Here’s what the risks are. Here’s what the risks of the virus are and how I would address it if I got it positive, you know, with or without the vaccine, and then be able to navigate that decision from there.”

Katie: I think that’s a great perspective, and you mentioned with kids. You know, I have teenagers who eventually like one day this is something I think about for them. I would guess it might be hard to know but without being able to test especially men. Do we know if someone has like for instance had an abnormal Pap smear and tested for HPV and then resolved it? Do we know if once the virus is dormant, are they still able to transmit? And really I guess to echo what you said in the beginning, we don’t really have any way to know if men have it or if they’re transmitting or not. Do you have any tips for helping people stay safe?

Dr. Doni: These are all great points, and sometimes those unknowns can be anxiety-producing. You know, we start to go, “Oh, my gosh, do I wanna be in a relationship? Do I wanna have sex knowing that, you know, we don’t even have a way to test to see if this other person has HPV?” And so it can create a lot of anxiety, right, and feeling like wanting to isolate yourself from this virus. So I’m hoping to help you find a middle ground there and feel like, “Okay. I understand that there were some unknowns. I also know that there’s…especially after listening to this today there’s a lot of things we can do about this virus very successfully. And so then you can start to navigate in your relationships, “How do I wanna make these choices? How do I wanna, you know, protect myself?” You can use a condom, and that’s one way to, you know, help prevent exposure to the virus. I don’t think it’s necessarily 100% because, you know, there’s other contact, you know, in the area.

And oral sex, for example, is another way to transmit HPV. So, you know, there’s ways to minimize your risks such as using a condom. And you may wanna then…before you go into a relationship, you may wanna get a Pap smear, an HPV test done so you know whether as a woman if you have HPV. And you may wanna, you know, talk to…you know in the relationship that you’re in talk to that other person and see if they have any, you know, history of HPV in their prior relationships. You can start to ask a little bit more.

And I’m actually really hoping that people feel a little more comfortable talking about it because this virus has been something that’s really isolated women and I think men as well. Because a lot of times, I hear from women who find out they have HPV, and then they’re afraid to tell their partner because they don’t want their partner to, you know, leave them, say leave the relationship because of finding out that she has HPV. Other times the woman finds out she has HPV, and she might feel angry at her partner as if maybe the partner was having sex outside of the relationship, and that’s why the HPV happened.

And so I wanna just mention those because it definitely becomes part of this, and, of course, we’re talking about how decreasing stress helps to fend off this virus. So if there’s a lot of emotional stress around finding out that you’re positive for HPV, that’s gonna actually be to the advantage of the virus. So we wanna help you to process those stresses and help you to get to a place where you can be, you know, more proactive about the virus and not in a stress state about, “How did I get exposed, and where did it come from?” Do you know what I mean? That stressed ruminating anxious thoughts about, “How did I get this” and feeling angry too. Those are very common to feel angry about, you know, finding that you have this virus, even angry at yourself.

I’ve talked to a lot of women who are just like so mad at themselves for getting this virus to come back positive on a test result, and I really try to help talk them through that and let them know that this virus is so common and it’s because there aren’t a lot of ways to test for it, and there’s no symptoms. So it’s not like a person knows they have symptoms of HPV. There are no symptoms. Men don’t have any symptoms of these high-risk types either. It doesn’t cause genital warts. So they wouldn’t know.

Because of that unknown, I think we have to give each other a little bit of slack and just know, “Okay. This is a virus that lives in this world with us, and we’re very likely to get exposed to it.” It’s nothing bad that you did or bad that someone else did that it ended up coming back positive. It’s more like, “How do we then learn from this? How do we then use this virus as a chance to learn that, ‘Hey, my body’s susceptible right now? I’ve been under a lot of stress, and I haven’t had enough chance to help my body recover. And that’s why this virus is hanging out here”‘? And that help me recover from stress. It helps my immune system work better so that I can fend off this HPV virus just like you fend off all kinds of viruses and other microbes in the environment every day all day. Do you see what I mean? So let’s reframe it so that it doesn’t have to be such a stressful situation and help you to become more proactive and empowered about it.

Katie: That’s such an important perspective and I think applicable to so many areas of life. I think about that. Even in my own journey it’s been like 13 years kind of my own health journey, and in the beginning, I was angry at myself for having Hashimoto’s, and I was angry at my body for not doing what I wanted it to do. And it really wasn’t until like you said I kind of started working with my body and like, “I wanna be your friend. Let’s get through this together and not fighting it” that it got so much easier to work through that. And I found a quote, and I’ve shared it before in here. But it was really impactful for me during that time. And it said, “I said to my body for the first time, ‘I want to be your friend,’ and my body responded, “I’ve been waiting my whole life for this.” I think that’s like for women especially, you know, like we have to give ourselves that grace like you said. I just think that’s so beautiful.

Dr. Doni: It’s so important. Beautiful. شکریہ

Katie: A brief point of clarity. So, men don’t have symptoms. Men can’t know they have it. Does it have any negative effects on men that we know of?

Dr. Doni: It can cause cancer. Usually, for men, it’s more likely to be an oral cancer in the oral mucosa or the throat. So, yes, you know, that’s the thing where for men, you know, in some ways it’s even worse because they don’t have symptoms other than if they get genital warts. They don’t have symptoms and there’s no test. I mean, they could. If you thought you might have symptoms, you can go into an ENT and get, you know, tested for the abnormal cells in the throat. But that’s not a normal screening exam for men.

So men are actually, you know, really in this unknown space where if they think they might have been exposed to HPV or maybe have any kind of symptoms in the oral area should be thinking about, “Hey, maybe I need to be checking to see if HPV is causing an issue here.” But, yeah, that’s definitely the case. It’s right. When you start to think about it, you’re like, “Wow, there’s some areas here that we really have opportunity to help people be more proactive about this. You know, what if we could be testing men to help them know if they have HPV.” Then they can be proactive too.

The people I work with when the women come with positive HPV and an abnormal Pap smears, they say to me, “What about my partner? Can we help him too?” And so we start then to address the men’s health. We use nutrients and help them with stress recovery and help them fend off the virus. Even though we can’t test for it, we presume that they likely have it or at least they’ve been exposed to it. We wanna help them to fend off this virus as well.

Katie: Awesome. And I will make sure that in the show notes at wellnessmama.fm I will link to your website and also to your book because I know you go a lot deeper on a lot of these things we’ve talked about today. And if anyone wants to find you and work with you directly, do you work remotely with patients as well?

Dr. Doni: I do. Yes, I work by phone, video with patients around the world. It’s been very exciting to be able to help people both in the United States and also, you know, everywhere, Australia and India and Dubai, you know, you name it. Because women around the world are finding out that they have this HPV and abnormal Pap smears, and they are all looking for, “What can I do?” And it’s scary because sometimes when you’re in that situation, you don’t know who to trust. You might be searching the internet and kind of compiling your own list of potential things you could do, but you feel like you’re piecing it together, and you’re not totally sure you’re gonna be successful because, you know, you’ve never done this before.

So I really hope that, you know, those people who are listening, you know, can feel a lot more secure in knowing that there are people like me who’ve been doing this for a long period of time and helping a lot of people. And I have come up with a lot of resources to help one on one. I can meet with people one on one to guide them through the process, and I also have created a group online course to guide people so that we can…it’s anonymous.

So you can join the group course online without…if you don’t wanna share, you know, your name or your location or your sex even, you can join and get this information on how you can yourself, you know, starting today start making steps to change your diet and get the right nutrients and get the right stress recovery so that you can fend off this virus even if you just wanna do it proactively without ever having a positive. Like you said, this process of helping you fend off this virus actually ends up just helping you be healthier, in general, to fend off a lot of health conditions.

Katie: Awesome. I will make sure all those links are included. And another question I love to ask kind of for my own reference at the end of podcast is if there’s a book or a number of books that have really dramatically impacted your life and if so what they are and why.

Dr. Doni: If you could see me right now you see I have a bookcase in front of me with a whole bunch of my favorite books. I love to read, and I love to learn in all different areas of health and wellness. But the book that always comes to mind first when I’m asked that question is Eckhart Tolle, his book called “A New Earth.” And the thing about Eckhart Tolle, he does a lot of work around meditation and mindfulness. The lesson from this book that I find is really helpful especially related to HPV and this discussion we’ve been having is that he helps us to create some space between us and let’s say our thoughts or our anxieties, a space between us and this virus, a space where we can then think through and connect with what’s really true for us in the moment.

Because it’s tempting for us to be attached to a diagnosis, right, like a diagnosis of HPV, and that can create us a lot of stress by being very focused on a diagnosis, or we might be very attached to the story of how we got that HPV or why we’re susceptible. But to the extent that we’re attached to a diagnosis or attached to the story means that it’s…we’re not gonna be as successful resolving, and it’s gonna be a stress that continues. And so what Eckhart guides us to do is to learn to create some space for ourselves and to let go of those stories and the diagnosis to really find ourselves. And from there, I think that’s when you can find that empowered place where you can start to feel empowered about your health and the choices you’re making about your health and what you can do about it to change your future.

Katie: I think that’s a perfect place to wrap up. I love how deep we were able to go. I love your approach to this and the tangible tools you’re giving people. And I’m also glad that we had this conversation, and that like to speak to your point, we’re speaking publicly about a topic that has been so taboo because I think you’re right. We all benefit when we can move these conversations to the forefront, especially when we’re talking about solutions. And I’m very grateful that you’re doing that and that you’re helping so many people. Thank you for your time and sharing today here with us.

Dr. Doni: Oh, you’re welcome. It’s my pleasure. My goal is just to have this information reach as many people as possible because, just from my experience to know that it’s possible to get this HPV to negative and get the Pap smear to negative, it’s been so empowering. And it’s actually my patients who come back to me and encourage me. They say, “Dr. Doni, you have to tell more people that this is possible. So, really, this is a gift from my patients. So thank you, Katie, for having me.

Katie: Oh, I love it, and thanks as always to all of you for sharing one of your most valuable resources, your time with us today. We’re both very grateful that you did, and I hope that you will join me again on the next episode of the “Wellness Mama Podcast.”

اگر آپ ان انٹرویوز سے لطف اندوز ہو رہے ہیں تو ، کیا آپ براہ کرم میرے لئے آئی ٹیونز پر کوئی ریٹنگ یا جائزہ لینے میں دو منٹ لگیں گے؟ ایسا کرنے سے زیادہ سے زیادہ افراد کو پوڈ کاسٹ تلاش کرنے میں مدد ملتی ہے ، جس کا مطلب ہے کہ اس سے بھی زیادہ ماں اور کنبے معلومات سے فائدہ اٹھاسکتے ہیں۔ میں واقعی میں آپ کے وقت کی تعریف کرتا ہوں ، اور سننے کے لئے ہمیشہ کی طرح شکریہ۔

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