Entrepreneurship, Homeschooling, & the Chef Junior Cookbook


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Katie: Hello and welcome to the “Valence Mama Podcast”. I’m from KatieWelinsmama.com and Welles.com, our new line of completely natural and highly effective personal care products like shampoo, conditioner, toothpaste and now hand sanitizer. Today’s episode of Podcast is really special to me because I came with a new guest, my eldest son, Anthony, to talk about a project that he has worked so hard on over the last two years. Here is a book. Through children and for children. And it’s called “Chef Jr.” and the books are available for sale anywhere and are due out on May 19. In this episode, we talk about her book and answer a lot of questions that you guys have about how life is in our home, how I really am like a mother, and our family. Answers to questions about culture and more. Anthony didn’t know the questions ahead of time – he just wanted the questions to be answered. So these answers are completely unscripted and true, and some of them even surprised me.

Also, before we jump in, I think it’s important to point out that this is the first time I’ve ever had a public encounter with Mama on the welfare of one of my children or they’ve appeared on the platform. I have written before that I do not post pictures of my children on social media, not even on my personal accounts. Because I don’t think it’s my right to do that and I want to respect their privacy and let any online interaction be their decision. Because my childhood was without social media and without being shown online, I wanted to give them the same respect if they wanted to. And I’m not saying this to judge someone else who has made a different decision on this issue, that’s what we’ve chosen for our family and I’ve written about it in the past. ۔ So I think it’s important to talk about it.

But as my kids got older, I wanted them to decide when, how, or how they would engage with the online world and social media. And so now he’s a teenager and we think Anthony should make that decision for himself and he saw the first hand of being online with me in the order of the good and bad parts of social media and the internet. And we talk to her about these risks and professional opportunities, and so my husband and I are now supporting her and her public presence through her book and her own upcoming podcast. Is facing And I just want to explain that because I’ve been so private about my kids in the past – you’ve never seen their faces with Anthony before. Again, not to say that our decisions are right for another family, but I felt the need to explain why I have never really personally shared my children on the platform before. Was and this is the first time and explain why I agree with it now. So, without further ado, I can’t wait to introduce you and you’ll enjoy the interview with your son, Anthony.

Anthony, welcome. Thanks for coming to the podcast.

Anthony: Hi

Katie: It’s kind of fun. We haven’t been able to record a podcast together yet and I know people have a lot of questions about what it’s like to live in our home, and I know you’re very ruthless about that. Will give true answers, so it’s fun. Listen to me too

Anthony: Yes, of course

Katie: First, let’s talk about “Chef Jr.”, which is your book. Tell us a story about why you decided to write this book.

Anthony: Well, we have a mastermind, which we have paired in different places over the years. And I remember a few years ago, maybe four years ago, we were making recipes for kids, like chocolate pancakes or coffee pancakes, I don’t remember. It was really crazy but yes, it really impressed us that making our own recipes and stuff would be really cool.

Katie: Yes. And for those who are not familiar, we can explain them. So, a mastermind is the kind of thing where you talk to a group of people about similar ideas. And it was especially a family mastermind because your father and I had lived in a mastermind before, he was just an adult and I had it; I think it was Jigi as a girl or our other In daughters And she was small and I only nursed her the whole time. And she told me in Mastermind that she was a distraction even though she wasn’t raising a voice. And they told me I couldn’t be there with him. And it just saddened me as if I had to basically choose to take care of my child and not be able to go to Mastermind. So, Dad and I thought, “If we can do this but instead of staying away from our family, if we can bring the family with us,” because we really understand that in business it’s important that children Get involved and you guys learn it and understand it quickly. So, when you say like we’ve traveled a lot and it’s fun, we had these five groups, what do I think?

Anthony: I think it was seven.

Katie: Seven at the beginning, yes, and five at the end who travel to many countries together. We went with them to Costa Rica and Canada, and in many places across the United States, and when the adults worked together on business equipment, you guys created all sorts of masterminds, didn’t you?

Anthony: Yeah Al that sounds pretty crap to me, Looks like BT aint for me either.

Katie: Yes. I probably feel like a lot of the things we do are a little weird from the usual standard but in Mastermind, we were all sorts on the same page on a lot of things. First of all, you did a really good job of building your civilization in the jungle. Talk about it

Anthony: Yeah Al that sounds pretty crap to me, Looks like BT aint for me either. At the moment, I know there’s a book called Bridge to Trabithia, but we don’t actually name it. We just came up with something out of the ordinary. And, yes, we built castles and things all day and we liked our currency and things. It was a lot of fun.

Katie: Yes. We haven’t seen you here because you play outside all day. And when we went out, I think, after the first two days, we saw you take the trunks of the trees literally and make big tapes, and each of you would have his own house. Yes, and you selected the officers, and you have the whole system of government, and as if everyone was working together. I think you made bricks out of mud. It was really impressive, all things considered. What moved it? Did you guys think about it yourself?

Anthony: Yeah I mean we don’t have to do much, like I don’t think there’s a TV here or any of it so we think doing something outside would be really fun.

Katie: It was fun. 16 of you kids, maybe?

Anthony: Twenty-four, I think.

Katie: Twenty-four, yes. In every way, like our youngest child, you have to have your own child and this is the book that has all kinds of authors at the end of adulthood?

Anthony: Yes, I think at this point 12 or 13.

Katie: All right. So, I think, if I’m remembering correctly, the idea for a book came especially when we were in Colorado.

Anthony: Yes

Katie: And we had people, a couple of couples who would come with us, your aunt was one of them, who would help with the food and keep an eye on the little ones while the adults worked. But it was definitely great for 1 person to cook for more than 30 people. So, you guys helped a little bit, and then I think you guys really ate by the time it was over. And 5 out of 5 old people were cooking for more than 30 people which was really impressive.

Anthony: Yeah we were cooking, I think there were older people, and then there were younger waitresses and waiters, which was really fun.

Katie: It was really pleasant, it was really; I think we all have really fond memories of it. And you guys had a children’s party, I think, in it, not you, it was a party of the mystery nature of murder and there was a party among adults too?

Anthony: I think so.

Katie: Yes. Because the other part of the idea was that we would all rent a house together, so we were all under the same roof which caused a bit of chaos, I think, a few times. But this house in particular was really cool because it was almost like a mediocre house, like the 1950s murder, as you’ll see in “Clues.” And there was a nice play room with some games from Michael Jackson’s house and all sorts of things. And you guys made some version of Trabetia there again, didn’t you?

Anthony: We did. Not as; I believe one or two families were missing, so there were five or six families. So, I guess we basically just made it like a big tape and it was for that, but it was really fun.

Katie: Got it. We were all impressed with the idea that you guys made all the food. I would say a resource that really helped with that because I was usually planning meals for these kinds of big things, and we feed 30 people 3 times a day, without ordering food. Eat food And so, to listen to someone, I use real projects that you know very well, who is the founder of real projects, Tony. But this tool is great because it is an app and you can set the size of the presentation. You can find all your recipes and then just say, “I’m cooking for 32 people”, and adjust your shopping list for all of them. So, we had all these ingredients and you guys took them and ran away with it. And then there’s the idea of ​​a cookbook because you said, “I think you guys realized all sorts of people whose age you knew didn’t know how to cook, and you guys there.” Cooking for large groups. in advance. Why do you think it is important for children to know how to cook?

Anthony: Well, I mean, in the modern world, I just think that … because we rely so much on takeouts and restaurants and things like that, and if you learn to cook If so, you can get to know the food better, and that’s a lot. Most of the time healthier for you. And I just feel like you’re more connected to yourself.

Katie: Great. And you definitely go beyond just writing a book. You’ve been in the kitchen lately, and you’re running all sorts of new mediums; you’ve been eating sour recently. I think you are better at cooking in many ways than I am, especially in baking because you are more accurate. But what did you learn in researching and writing the book? Is there anything that surprised you?

Anthony: Well, finding a lot of recipes was kind of fun, I thought, because I can look like things that I eat a lot, but also about things that I think really do. It will be weird and fun. I don’t think there were many things that surprised me but, yes.

Katie: And it looks like seeing you, that kind of got you excited about cooking and also learning about cooking and eating principles. And I know that now you’ve read “salt, fat, acid, heat” and we’ve seen some of it together. And you have cooked some of these recipes. Talk about some of your favorite cooking experiences.

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Katie: Got it, I benefited from it when you did it; I think you did the greasy grease that was really, really good. You have made pasta from the beginning. You’ve been inspired by it and done all sorts of cool things. And another fun thing to do is cook at our house, okay. And I know it’s paused with quarantine now, but it’s something you’ve created in your neighborhood with your friends. So, talk about what inspired her, and how many kids she helped, and some of the things you guys cooked?

Anthony: Yes, I remember. So, it started, I think, maybe six months ago. We were making pizza and there were a lot of neighbors around. So, we were like, “Hey, do you guys want to help make pizza?” And then it was sour pizza. And it was really fun because it has a bunch of different jobs. And then, finally, we probably made pizza for two months and then finally we decided, “Hey, what if we make different recipes?” And so, what we do is we let everyone do it, vote and then; and we have four different recipes a week. And there are some things in particular that we have chosen that have a lot of jobs so it’s really interesting for everyone.

Katie: You made the sourdough completely yourself, like you took care of it and made all kinds of recipes with it. And how many kids will you tell while you’re cooking; because some of those cooking nights get too big?

Anthony: Yeah Al that sounds pretty crap to me, Looks like BT aint for me either. Some of them; I don’t think they were there together but all night; or, about 16.

Katie: Yes. You also had small things; you cut tomatoes and made sauces for different things and all kinds of things, beat cheese, even made small things. What happened; you took a four-year-old child there probably twice.

Anthony: Yes, we did. He was good at greasing cheese and making small things like that, using a butter knife to cut vegetables and things like that.

Katie: Yes. مجھے ایسا لگتا ہے جیسے چھوٹے بچے عام طور پر اکثر عام طور پر کھانا پکانے کا موقع نہیں پا پاتے ہیں یا جہاں وہ سینڈوچ یا کوئی آسان چیز بناتے ہیں وہاں پہنچ جاتے ہیں۔ لیکن یقینی طور پر ہمارا تجربہ اور ایسا لگتا ہے کہ آپ کے ساتھ اور آپ کے کھانا پکانے کی رات بھی یہی ہے کہ چھوٹے بچے بھی حقیقت میں باورچی خانے میں کافی مددگار ثابت ہوسکتے ہیں۔

انتھونی: ہاں مجھے لگتا ہے کہ چھوٹے بچے ، وہ واقعی… لوگ نہیں سوچتے کہ جب وہ باورچی خانے میں واقعی کر سکتے ہیں تو وہ بہت ساری چیزیں کر سکتے ہیں کیونکہ وہ ان آسان کاموں میں مدد کرسکتی ہیں جو واقعی بڑی تصویر میں مددگار ثابت ہوتی ہیں۔

کیٹی: بالکل۔ اور یہ بھی کہ جیسے آپ جاتے ہو اور تنظیم کو برقرار رکھتے ہوئے ان کی صفائی میں مدد کریں ، آپ لوگوں نے اس کے لئے پورا نظام تیار کرلیا تھا۔ اور مجھے لگتا ہے کہ اس پر زور دینا بھی واقعی اہم ہے ، لہذا آپ کی عمر 13 سال ہے اور نہ صرف آپ منصوبہ بندی کے ذریعہ خود ہی شروع سے پورا کھانا بناسکتے ہیں ، بلکہ اس کے ل 16 آپ 16 بچوں کو بھی ترتیب دے سکتے ہیں۔ میرے خیال میں بہت سارے لوگ شاید 13 پر بھی نہیں سوچتے کہ ان کے بچے اس کے قابل ہیں۔ لیکن اور آپ یہاں تک کہ… جیسے آپ نے پہلے ہمارے گھر والوں کے لئے کھانا کھایا ہوا تھا اور آپ نے… میرا مطلب ہے ، آپ نے ہر طرح کا کھانا پکایا ہے۔ شروع سے آپ نے اپنے پسندیدہ کھانے میں سے کچھ کیا کھانا کھایا؟

انتھونی: تو ، وہاں یہ کینیڈا کا ڈش ہے جسے پٹائن کہتے ہیں۔ لہذا ، ماسٹر مائنڈز میں سے جس کے بارے میں ہم پہلے کی بات کر رہے تھے ، ہم ایک کے لئے کینیڈا گئے تھے اور یہ کینیڈا کا ایک ڈش ہے۔ یہ صرف گھریلو فرائز ، گریوی ، اور پھر پنیر ہے ، اور مجھے صرف یہ پسند ہے۔ یہ بنانے کے لئے بہت مزہ ہے.

کیٹی: اچھا۔ آپ کی پسندیدہ ماسٹر مائنڈ کی کچھ یادیں کیا رہی ہیں؟

انتھونی: اوہ ، میں نہیں جانتا ، بہت ساری اچھی چیزیں ہیں جن کے بارے میں میرے خیال میں ان سب کو بتانے میں گھنٹوں لگیں گے ، لیکن لازمی طور پر ترابیھیس کی طرح تعمیر کرنا۔ وہ سب اچھے رہے ہیں۔ جیسا کہ ہمارے پاس چھ تھے ، میرے خیال میں ، ماسٹر مائنڈز ہیں اور ہم نے ان سب کے ل and یہ کام انجام دیا ہے اور یہ واقعی خوشگوار تھا۔ اور ماسٹر مائنڈ پر کھانا پکانا ، صرف پھانسی دینا ، واقعی تفریح ​​ہے۔

کیٹی: مجھے لگتا ہے کہ کیا یہ مشی گن تھا جس نے ہم نے کھڑکی سے باہر دیکھا ، اور آپ سبھی بڑے لڑکے گرم ٹب میں چھلانگ لگا کر برف کے گرد دوڑ رہے تھے۔

انتھونی: اوہ ، ہاں ہم اپنے سوئمنگ سوٹ میں برف میں ادھر ادھر بھاگ رہے تھے اور پھر ہاٹ ٹب میں اچھال رہے تھے۔ بہت مزہ آیا۔ یہ کرنے کے لئے اپنے دوستوں کو راضی کرنا مشکل تھا لیکن مجھے اس سے محبت تھی۔

کیٹی: اچھا۔ ماسٹر مائنڈ پر واپس چکر لگائیں ، لہذا یہ آپ میں سے پانچ افراد ہیں جنہوں نے یہ کتابیں لکھیں ، یا ماسٹر مائنڈ میں پانچ مختلف خاندانوں کے بنیادی طور پر پانچ بچے۔ اور آپ کے کچھ بہترین دوست بھی ماسٹر مائنڈ سے آئے ہیں ، ہے نا؟

انتھونی: ہاں میرے سب سے اچھے دوست ، لہذا پولس ، وہ باورچی کتاب لکھ رہے تھے اور پھر ایبی ، اس نے یہ کیا ، اس کے چھوٹے بھائی ، کیڈن ، ہم واقعی اچھے دوست ہیں۔

کیٹی: سمجھ گیا اور اس کتاب والی کتاب کے بارے میں دوسری بات جو مجھے محسوس ہورہی ہے کہ لوگوں کے لئے یہ جاننا ضروری ہے کہ آپ لوگوں نے واقعی یہ کام خود ہی کیا۔ ایسا نہیں تھا جیسے والدین آپ کی مدد کر رہے ہوں یا آپ کو ایسا کرنے پر مجبور کریں۔ ہم سب اپنے کاروبار چلاتے ہیں اور بہت سارے بچے ہیں ، اور اس طرح آپ لوگوں نے واقعی پہل کی اور یہ کام خود ہی کیا۔ اس کا سب سے مشکل حصہ کیا تھا؟ جیسے کبھی تنظیمی امور تھے یا رسد کے مسائل جس نے اسے مشکل بنا دیا؟

انتھونی: میرا مطلب ہے کہ ، میرے خیال میں یہ کتاب دینا ، جیسے ناشر نے حقیقت میں یہ کرنا تھوڑی دیر کے لئے مشکل تھا کیونکہ اس نے ہمیشہ کے لئے کام کیا ، لہذا یہ اس طرح کی بات ہے ، “اوہ ، کیا یہ کبھی ہونے والا ہے؟” اور ہم سب ، میرے خیال میں ، تھوڑا انچارج بننا چاہتا تھا جو ایک مسئلہ تھا جس پر غور کرنے سے ہم سب سے بوڑھے ہیں لہذا ہم سب بہت ضدی ہیں۔ تو ، مجھے لگتا ہے کہ یہ یقینی طور پر ایک بہت ہی مشکل حصہ تھا۔

کیٹی: کیا آپ کو ایسا لگتا ہے کہ آپ نے تعلقات کو نیویگیٹ کرنے اور لوگوں کے ساتھ مل کر کام کرنے کے بارے میں کچھ سبق سیکھے ہیں یہاں تک کہ اگر آپ کے پاس اس قسم کی حرکیات ہیں؟

انتھونی: ہاں ، میں سمجھتا ہوں کہ میں کروں گا۔ میرا خیال ہے کہ اس سے یہ سیکھنے میں مدد ملی کہ آپ کو زیادہ قبول ہونا پڑے گا اور صرف اتنا سمجھنا ہوگا کہ کسی اور چیز پر کس نقطہ نظر سے آرہا ہے۔

کیٹی: ہاں۔ اب آپ لوگوں نے یہ کتاب نامہ تیار کیا ہے جو جاری ہونے ہی والا ہے۔ کتاب سے آپ کی پسندیدہ ترکیبیں کیا ہیں؟

انتھونی: میں وہاں پال کا پیزا والا نسخہ پسند کرتا ہوں۔ میری پسندیدہ ترکیب جو میں نے خود بنائی وہ میٹھے آلو کے فرائز اور وہاں کا اسٹیک ہے۔ میں نے ابھی تک اس کی کوشش نہیں کی ہے ، یہ ویلی کے ذریعہ ہے ، میرے خیال میں ، لیکن یہ ہر ایک اچھا نظر آتا ہے اور مجھے لگتا ہے کہ میں کوشش کروں گا کہ واقعی میں جلد ہی اس کی کوشش کروں۔

کیٹی: اور ان ترکیبوں کی خوبصورتی ، کیونکہ آپ نے ہمارے گھر میں کچھ پکایا ہے اور یقینی طور پر ہمیں بہت سے دوسرے مصنفین سے کھانا پکانا ضروری ہے ، لیکن آپ لوگوں نے ان تصورات اور قسم کی وضاحت کی کہ کیوں… جیسے باورچی خانے کی بنیادی باتیں اور اس کے ذریعہ کھانا کیسے منایا جائے۔ اور یہ ترکیبیں واقعی حیرت انگیز ترکیبیں کی طرح ہیں جسے بالغوں کو کھانا پکانے پر فخر ہوتا ہے لیکن آپ انہیں آسان بناتے ہیں تاکہ بچے سیکھیں۔ اور پھر آپ ان کو درجہ بندی کرتے ہو جیسے آسان یا ابتدائی ، انٹرمیڈیٹ ، اور ایڈوانس ، ٹھیک ہے؟ لہذا ، بچے ، جیسے ہی وہ اس عمل سے گزر رہے ہیں ، بتاسکتے ہیں کہ کون سی ترکیبیں شروع کرنی ہیں۔

انتھونی: ہاں تو ، یہ واقعی عمر کے لحاظ سے اتنا نہیں ہے ، یہ یقینی طور پر مہارت کی سطح سے ہے۔ ہم اسے کرنے کی کوشش کرتے ہیں جہاں آپ اپنی مہارت کی سطح پر منحصر ہیں کہ آپ کیا کھانا پکانا چاہتے ہیں اور پھر کونسا کھانا پسند کریں ، اگر آپ کوئی ہموار یا ناشتہ ، دوپہر کا کھانا ، یہ سب کرنا چاہتے ہیں۔ تو ، مجھے لگتا ہے کہ یہ واقعی بچوں کے لئے مددگار ثابت ہوگا۔

کیٹی: اور یہ صرف مونگ پھلی کے مکھن جیلی سینڈویچ کی طرح نہیں ہیں ، جیسے آپ جانتے ہو ، مرغی کے ٹینڈرز یا صرف بچوں کے کھانے کی ترکیبیں۔ آپ لوگوں کے پاس کچھ اچھی چیزیں ہیں ، جیسا کہ میں نے کہا تھا ، ایسی بالغ ترکیبیں جو بچوں کو بھی پسند ہیں لہذا یہ واقعی تفریح ​​ہے۔ اور والدین کی حیثیت سے ، میں یہ کہوں گا کہ یہ واقعی حیرت انگیز ہے کہ ایک بچہ ہے جو اس کو سمجھتا ہے اور کھانا پکانا چاہتا ہے کیونکہ آپ کھانا پکا کر یا رات کا کھانا کھا کر یقینا my میری زندگی کو بہت زیادہ آسان بنا دیتے ہیں اور اس لئے میں واقعتا اس کی تعریف کرتا ہوں۔

آئیے ، زندگی کے بارے میں بھی تھوڑی بہت بات کرتے ہیں۔ ہم کھانا پکانے کے لئے واپس دائرے میں لے سکتے ہیں۔ بہت سارے لوگ چاہتے تھے کہ میں آپ سے پوچھوں کہ ہمارے گھر میں زندگی کیسی ہے اور میں ماں کی طرح کیسی ہوتی ہوں۔ اور آپ اس کے بارے میں پوری طرح سے سچے ہو سکتے ہیں۔ تو ، ہاں ، ذرا تھوڑا سا بتائیں کہ زندگی کیسی ہے؟

انتھونی: ہاں میرے خیال میں یہ پانچ بہن بھائیوں کے ساتھ واقعی بہت زیادہ ہوسکتی ہے۔ مجھے لگتا ہے کہ یہ اچھا ہے ، یہ ایک قسم کا پاگل پن ہے اور آپ کو سب کے ساتھ مل کر چلنا سیکھنا ہوگا اور یہ یقینی طور پر بہت مشکل ہے۔ لیکن مجموعی طور پر ، گھر میں بہترین دوستوں کا ایک گروپ ہونا بہت ہی لطف اندوز ہوتا ہے۔

کیٹی: ہاں۔ میرا مطلب ہے ، آپ یقینی طور پر اپنے بہن بھائیوں کے ساتھ پیک کے رہنما ہیں اور ہمارے پڑوس میں بھی جہاں کچھ ہیں… پڑوس میں کتنے بچے ہیں؟

انتھونی: میرے خیال میں ہمارے پاس 20 یا 30 کے درمیان ہے ، اس پر منحصر ہے کہ آپ نوعمر افراد کی گنتی کرتے ہیں یا آپ کی عمر کی حد کیا ہے۔

کیٹی: تو ، اس نوعیت کا اب قرنطین کے ساتھ اتنا مزہ نہیں آیا ہے ، لیکن اس سے پہلے ، آپ کے پاس ایسے بچوں کے پیک ہیں جن کی آپ نے بات کی ہے کہ آپ نے راتوں کو کھانا پکانا تھا اور اس سب کے ساتھ۔ لیکن جس طرح چھ بچوں میں سے سب سے قدیم زندگی ، آپ کیا کہیں گے کہ اس کے بارے میں مشکل حص partہ ہے یا اس کے بارے میں آسان حصہ؟

انتھونی: میرا مطلب ہے ، میرا خیال ہے کہ مشکل حص definitelyہ یقینی طور پر ہے کہ میرے بہن بھائیوں کی طرح ، وہ ہمیشہ میری بات نہیں سنتے ہیں اور یہ تھوڑا مشکل ہے۔ اور بعض اوقات میں اس سے قابو پانے کا احساس کرتا ہوں کیونکہ میں سب سے بوڑھا ہوں ، اور وہ سب کچھ سوچتے ہیں کہ میں کبھی کبھی دشمن ہوں۔ لیکن میرا مطلب ہے ، یہ بہت نایاب ہے لیکن یہ کچھ ہوتا ہے اور مجھے لگتا ہے کہ یہ واقعی بہت چیلنجنگ ہے۔ اور ایک آسان حصہ ، سب سے قدیم ہونے کے ناطے ، مجھے یقینی طور پر زیادہ مراعات ملتی ہیں لیکن مجھ پر بھی زیادہ ذمہ داری عائد ہوتی ہے لہذا مجھے لگتا ہے کہ یہ ایک اعزاز کی بات ہے۔

کیٹی: ہاں ، یہ ایک عمدہ بات ہے۔ اور میں جانتا ہوں کہ ہم نے اپنے کنبے میں بات کی ہے ، آپ نے شاید مجھے یہ کہتے ہوئے سنا ہے کہ اس طرح کی بات ہے کہ ، “بڑی طاقت سے بڑی ذمہ داری آتی ہے ،” اور ہم نے اس کا رخ موڑ لیا اور کہا ، “حقیقت میں ، بڑی ذمہ داری کے ساتھ آتا ہے۔ بڑی طاقت۔ ” اور اسی طرح ، جب آپ ہمیں دکھاتے ہیں کہ آپ خود ذمہ دار ہیں تو آپ کو بہت زیادہ آزادی اور طاقت مل جاتی ہے ، اور آپ نے یقینی طور پر اس کا ایک اچھا کام کیا ہے اور اپنے بہن بھائیوں کے لئے بھی اس کی مثال بننا ہے۔ اور میں نے ایک ماں کی حیثیت سے ہمیشہ حوصلہ افزائی کرنے کی کوشش کی ہے کہ آپ ان چیزوں کا پیچھا کریں جو آپ کی دلچسپی رکھتے ہیں۔ اور آپ یقینی طور پر سننے والوں کو مجھ سے بہتر بتا سکتے ہیں اگر میں نے اس میں سے کوئی اچھا کام کیا ہے یا نہیں لیکن میں ان منصوبوں میں سے کچھ کے ذریعے بات کرنا پسند کروں گا جن کی آپ نے کوشش کی ہے اگر آپ راضی ہو۔

انتھونی: ہاں میرے پاس کچھ مختلف ہیں جو میں کر رہا ہوں۔ لہذا ، ایک کے لئے ، میں اپنے دادا کے ساتھ گلی میں ہی شہد کی مکھیوں کی دیکھ بھال کر رہا ہوں ، اور یہ حاصل کرنے میں واقعی لطف آتا ہے کیونکہ مجھے کیڑے مکوڑے پسند ہیں اور ہم ہر سال اپنی شہد کھاتے ہیں۔ لہذا ، مجھے لگتا ہے کہ یہ یقینی طور پر پائیداری میں بھی جڑ جاتا ہے ، جس کے بارے میں میں بہت جذباتی ہوں ، لہذا یہ ایک ہے۔ دوسرا یہ کہ میرے پاس کھانے کے کیڑے / سوتیلے کیڑے کا پروجیکٹ ہے اور یہ دونوں پلاسٹک کو ہضم کرنے کے لئے ہیں۔ آپ انٹرنیٹ پر اس کے بارے میں ویڈیوز اور مضامین تلاش کرسکتے ہیں ، اور دوسرا یہ ہے کہ میں انھیں کھاتا ہوں کیونکہ مجھے لگتا ہے کہ ان کا اصل میں بہت اچھا ذائقہ ہے اور وہ کھانا پکانے میں کافی کارآمد ہیں۔

کیٹی: ہاں۔ تو ، آئیے ان کے بارے میں تھوڑا سا اور بات کریں کیونکہ میرے خیال میں ، اس پوڈ کاسٹ پر کئی بار گزرتے ہیں ، اور یقینی طور پر میں نے لوگوں کو کچھ وقت گزرنے میں اس کا تذکرہ کیا ہے اور وہ اس طرح رہے ہیں ، ابھی؟” لہذا ، جب آپ یہ کہتے ہیں ، کیا آپ کھاتے ہیں ، ابھی موجود ہے ، کیا ہے ، ہمارے گھر میں آپ کی کوٹھری میں رہنے والے چند ہزار کیڑے رہ رہے ہیں؟

انتھونی: ہاں

کیٹی: ہاں۔ اور کچھ مضحکہ خیز لمحے ہوئے ہیں کیونکہ کیڑے خود دراصل لاروا مرحلے ہیں…

انتھونی: ایک تاریک چمکدار

کیٹی: ٹھیک ہے ، گہما گہمی اور ایک دو بار ان میں سے کچھ برٹلی نکل چکی ہے۔ اور میرے خیال میں ، مضحکہ خیز لمحے گزرے تھے ، جب آپ کی بہنیں شاور میں چیخ رہی تھیں ، جب انہیں کوئی مل گیا۔ مجھے لگتا ہے ، کیا یہ ہوا؟

انتھونی: ہاں میرے خیال میں شاور میں پردے پر ایک چقندر تھا ، اور پھر ایک کھانے کے کیڑے یا سوتیلے کیڑے کی طرح تھا ، مجھے یاد نہیں ہے کہ کون سا ، تولیہ کے ریک کی طرح اور اس کو کچھ اچھی چیخیں آئ ہیں۔

کیٹی: تو ، آپ کا کیا مطلب بیان کریں کہ وہ پلاسٹک کو ہضم کرنے میں مدد کرسکیں گے۔

انتھونی: تو ، 2015 میں ایک تحقیق کے بعد محققین نے ایک… وہاں کیڑے بھیجے ہوئے تھے… یا کھانے کے کیڑے ، معذرت کے ساتھ ، اسٹائروفوم میں بھیج دیا تھا۔ اور جب تک کہ وہ گھر تک سارے راستے پر پہنچ گئے ، انہوں نے پلاسٹک کے ذریعہ کھا لیا تاکہ… اور یہ ایک محقق تھا لہذا اس نے اس پر تحقیق کرنے کا فیصلہ کیا ، اور پھر انھوں نے ایک مطالعہ کیا اور معلوم کیا کہ وہ واقعی کافی ہضم کرسکتے ہیں۔ تھوڑا بہت وقت کے اندر۔

کیٹی: ان کے ہضم ہونے کے بعد کیا ہوتا ہے؟ کیا ہم ابھی تک جانتے ہیں؟ یہ کیا ٹوٹ رہا ہے یا آپ کو معلوم ہے؟

انتھونی: یہ زیادہ تر کاربن میں ہی ٹوٹ گیا ہے اور پھر یہاں موجود ہے… آپ انہیں دوسرے جانوروں کو بھی کھلاسکتے ہیں کیونکہ وہ اسے مکمل طور پر توڑ دیتے ہیں اور صرف کاربن میں بدل دیتے ہیں ، اور تمام بی پی اے اپنے بنیادی عناصر میں بدل جاتے ہیں۔

کیٹی: تو ، اس کا دلچسپ حص partہ اس طرح کا ہے جیسے اسٹائیروفوم جیسے پلاسٹک کے کچھ مسائل کو ممکنہ طور پر تحلیل کیا جا you جس کی آپ ریسائیکل نہیں کرسکتے۔ لیکن اگر کیڑے انہیں بی پی اے کے بغیر صرف کاربن میں ہضم کرسکتے ہیں تو ، اس کو بے اثر کرنے کا ممکنہ طور پر ایک محفوظ طریقہ ہوگا؟

انتھونی: ہاں اور یہ بھی بہت مددگار ثابت ہوسکتا ہے۔ جیسا کہ ہم جانتے ہیں کہ مٹی کی خرابی ، یہ ایک بہت بڑی چیز ہے اور یہ واقعی میں پلاسٹک کی بہت اچھی کھاد ہے جس کے بارے میں میرے خیال میں واقعی حیرت انگیز ہے۔ اگر ہم پیمانے پر یہ کام کرسکتے تو ہم حاصل کرسکتے ہیں… میں نے ریاضی کیا۔ کھانے کے کیڑے ، 40 کھانے والے کیڑے ، اگر آپ ان کو ایک سال تک برقرار رکھ سکتے ہیں تو وہ ایک پاؤنڈ پلاسٹک کھائیں گے۔ لہذا ، اگر آپ کے پاس 40 ملین کھانے کے کیڑے ہیں ، تو آپ ایک سال میں ایک ملین پاؤنڈ پلاسٹک سے نجات حاصل کر رہے ہیں اور یہ بہت توسیع پذیر ہوگا۔ اور میرے خیال میں یہ غریب ممالک میں بھی ایک بہت بڑی چیز ہوسکتی ہے جہاں ہم اسے استعمال کرسکتے ہیں اور وہ اسے اپنے مویشی پالنے اور اپنے لئے رقم کمانے کے ل use استعمال کرسکتے ہیں۔

کیٹی: یہ حیرت انگیز ہوگی۔ اور اس طرح ، یہ صرف کیڑا ہے ، جیسے لاروا مرحلے سے پلاسٹک کھا سکتا ہے ، ٹھیک ہے؟

انتھونی: ہاں۔ مجھے کافی یقین ہے کہ محققین صرف اس نتیجے پر پہنچے ہیں لیکن مجھے نہیں معلوم کہ انھوں نے اس کا مکمل تجربہ کیا ہے۔ لہذا ، مجھے لگتا ہے کہ انہیں کھانے میں ایک مسئلہ ہے ، جیسے میرے خیال میں ، نظریہ میں ، ان کا ہاضمہ نظام اگر وہ ہوتے تو… اسے کھا سکتے تھے۔ لیکن مجھے نہیں لگتا کہ ان کے واجبات اتنے بڑے ہیں کہ وہ حقیقت میں اسٹائر فوم پر جاسکیں۔

کیٹی: ٹھیک ہے۔ کیا وہ جانتے ہیں کہ کیڑے کھانے کے لئے ابھی بھی محفوظ ہیں؟

انتھونی: ہاں۔ ان کی 24 گھنٹے کی مدت ہوتی ہے اور پھر ہر چیز ہضم ہوکر کاربن میں تبدیل ہوجاتی ہے اور وہ اس مقام تک مکمل طور پر محفوظ رہتے ہیں۔

کیٹی: واہ۔ اور لاروا کا مرحلہ کب تک چلتا ہے؟

انتھونی: کھانے کے کیڑوں پر ، یہ لگ بھگ تین سے چار ماہ تک جاری رہتا ہے ، اور سپر کیڑے پر ، آپ واقعی میں اسے ایک سال کے قریب رہ سکتے ہیں کیونکہ وہ دوبارہ برنگ کے مرحلے میں داخل نہیں ہوجائیں گے جب تک کہ وہ دوسرے کیڑے کے گرد نہ ہوں۔ لہذا ، آپ انہیں قریب قریب ایک سال کے ل. رکھ سکتے ہیں۔

کیٹی: ہمارے پاس ابھی ایک سال سے زیادہ ہے ، میرے خیال میں ، ہے نہیں؟

انتھونی: ہاں ، تقریبا about ڈیڑھ سال۔

کیٹی: ٹھیک ہے۔ اور پھر آپ کو اپنی الماری میں ترقی کے تمام مراحل مل گئے ہیں نا؟ لہذا ، ایک بار جب وہ pupae ، آپ کو ایک الگ دراز میں ڈال دیا.

انتھونی: ہاں اور پھر ایک بار جب وہ اس سے برنگ میں بدل جاتے ہیں ، میں نے انھیں اوپری چیز پر رکھ دیا۔ ان کے انڈے ایک اسکرین سے نیچے کی طرف گرتے ہیں ، اور پھر وہ لاروا میں بدل جاتے ہیں اور عمل دہرایا جاتا ہے۔

کیٹی: ٹھیک ہے۔ اور اب ، ہم شاید اس کی کچھ تصاویر کھینچ سکتے ہیں اور پوسٹ کرسکتے ہیں کیونکہ کچھ لوگوں کو آپ کی بات کے بارے میں دلچسپی ہے۔ تو کھانے کے کیڑے اور سپر کیڑے۔ ان میں سے ہر ایک کے بالغ مراحل کیا ہیں؟

انتھونی: وہ گہرا ہوا چقندر کی دونوں پرجاتی ہیں ، مجھے یقین ہے کہ وہ وسطی امریکہ سے ہیں۔ اور بہت ساری بار وہ پالتو جانوروں کو چھپکلیوں اور پرندوں اور چیزوں کو کھلانے کے لئے استعمال ہوتے ہیں۔

کیٹی: اور میں دوسرے لاروا کی طرح محسوس کرتا ہوں ، جو ہمارے گھر میں تھا وہ باہر باغ میں تھا۔ لیکن اگر کیا… اگر آپ نے کسی قسم کا آلہ تیار کیا ، کیا یہ فوجی اڑ گیا تھا؟

انتھونی: ہاں ، یہ سیاہ فام فوجی فلائی لاروا کمپوسٹر تھا اور بنیادی طور پر آپ کے پاس ہے… لہذا ہم فلوریڈا میں رہتے ہیں جس کی وجہ سے سارا سال گرمی رہتی ہے لہذا میں یہ کرسکتا ہوں۔ اور میں نے کمپوسٹر کے اندر کمپوسٹ ڈال دیا اور پھر اڑتی ہے ، ان کے منہ نہیں ہوتے ہیں لہذا وہ حقیقت میں خراب یا کچھ بھی نہیں ہیں۔ اور وہ وہاں انڈے دیتے ہیں ، وہ بہت جلدی بڑھتے ہیں ، وہ ان کے سائز سے دس لاکھ گنا بڑھ جاتے ہیں۔ اور پھر وہ کھاتے ہیں اور تقریبا eat 90٪ بڑے پیمانے پر جس کو وہ کھاتے ہیں جسمانی وزن میں تبدیل کرتے ہیں۔ اور پھر جب انھوں نے لاروا کے طور پر کام کیا ، تب تک وہ اور ھاد سے نکلنا چاہتے ہیں۔ You can make it to where they automatically harvest themselves and then you can bring them to chickens or ducks. And it’s a great compost, too.

Katie: And those, did you tell me that helps break down compost more quickly? Obviously they break down even like things you wouldn’t normally compost, like meat?

Anthony: Yeah. They can do meat, bones, shells for like egg shells, all kinds of stuff. They can even break down bioplastics which is quite cool.

Katie: Which is interesting tie in there. So, we use bioplastic. Well, we use bioplastics for our compost bags. We also use bioplastics in, well, massive like containers. It’s super amazing that we have insects that can help. I think things like this, it’s really exciting to me and it sounds like to you, too, for the future of sustainability. I think if we can innovate using things like insects or like we’re finding all kinds of cool potential with mushrooms and fungus as well. Let’s talk about the garden a little bit, too, because you are definitely my biggest helper/you take over a lot of this and handle the garden. Tell people about what our garden is like.

Anthony: Yeah. So, we have a pretty large garden and we grow a bunch of different stuff from lettuce, tomatoes, potatoes, we grow I think beets, strawberries, a bunch of other stuff. I can’t name all of it, yeah.

Katie: Yeah. And we do it like every year, everywhere we lived, it grows every year. So, this year it’s…I’m really bad at estimating size but I think it’s like 20 feet by 100. It’s big, it’s like almost the whole side yard. And we clean the whole area and then put down a foot of woodchips which you and your friends helped me with a lot of trailers. And then we put mushroom compost, it grows and we put it on that, and it’s been amazing to see how fast, even like trees we’ve planted. When you plant them in compost how fast they grow. And then like you talked about, we have a composting section where all of our food waste goes, and then we mix it with existing compost, and we use the soldier flies and kind of create a sustainable system there. What are some other ways that you think we can focus on sustainability or that are exciting to you right now?

Anthony: Electric cars, I think that’s one that I think is very cool that isn’t talked about. Like sometimes in the health industry, it gets a bad rep, but I mean, it’s keeping emissions out of the atmosphere. It’s actually saving lives because air pollution takes a bit, I think the estimate was about six million lives a year, so I think that’s definitely a very big thing. There’s just tons of things like solar and there’s so much development in the sustainability industry lately that I think that’s very helpful for the future.

Katie: You also mentioned your bees which are obviously, absolutely, bees are vital to our food survival. Remembering, I mean, pollinators touch the vast majority of food that we eat. So, truly without pollinators, our food supply goes away, it’s very important. And you’ve been a beekeeper for probably about, what, four years now?

Anthony: Yeah, four or five.

Katie: So, talk about that because I think that also sounds like kind of a scary hobby to a lot of people and you’ve been doing it for a while even when you were really young. But just talk about what it’s like to be a beekeeper.

Anthony: I mean, there is a scary sense of it but the bee suits really do protect you and I think it’s so important because pollination, obviously, it’s about a third. If it wasn’t for pollinators, we would lose about a third or a half of our entire food supply. And you’d never have things like apples and things like that. So, I think that’s very important and you get to learn a lot about sustainability just from this and about insects, and it feeds into science and things being homeschooled. I think that’s the large part of a learning in science, that can actually be really helpful, biology. So, I think that’s a very good way to learn.

Katie: That’s cool because it’s tied in with certain other companies that I’ve worked with that we’ve kinda learned from together. Like there’s a company called Beekeeper’s Naturals and they have a spray that’s propolis. And I was familiar with propolis because of you and beekeeping, and it was cool to learn. People like… So, propolis is what the bees use to keep the hive clean and sanitary. So, even if like a mouse gets in the hive, the bees aren’t strong enough to carry the mouse back out but they can encase the mouse in propolis to keep it from getting bacteria to the hive as it breaks down. And also just cool things like honey is one of the few things that literally if it’s an air-free environment, it lasts forever, right, because bacteria can’t grow in it.

ٹھیک ہے. So, also our newest project that we can talk a little bit about in passing is getting ducks and this is happening. Actually, by the time people listen to this, we will have ducks. And for me, part of the reason for this is that one of your sisters can’t handle chicken eggs but she does okay eating duck eggs and they’re hard to find. And also, but there’s a lot of sustainability reasons to have ducks and to have animals in your yard. So, talk about why we’re getting ducks and what you’re excited about there.

Anthony: Yeah. I think ducks get kind of a bad rep compared to chickens even though they are quite a bit better if you look at the facts. So, ducks, they’re much less aggressive and they do not tear up your grass nearly as much. One disadvantage though is they have to have water like constantly to swim in and everything, and they do require more feed but they are a lot better at foraging and have better health so they last longer. So, I think that’s a very good thing. And their poop is quite good in the garden. It’s much better than even chicken poop and composting and for fertilizer in your garden, and does not have to be composted for like a year to get out all of the salmonella and E. coli.

Katie: That’s really cool, I’m excited. We’ll see if we still think it’s such a great idea in a couple of months when they’ve taken over the yard. But I’ve been working on this, we’re building their enclosure and that kind of stuff. And another part of life at our house is I definitely encourage you guys to play outside a lot and you are really good about this. A couple of your siblings don’t like to be outside quite as much. But because of this, we’ve built tree house in the backyard that you guys have even camped out in quite a bit and we have kind of a Ninja Warrior type training course connected to the tree house. And you spend a lot of time biking with your friends or fishing, things like that. Talk about, from a kid’s perspective, what it’s like to be able to have free time outside and why is that important for you?

Anthony: I think that’s definitely important because a lot of kids, if they don’t have access to outside, then they just get caught up in watching TV, on devices, and on those things, and we need to be outside. It’s a healthy part of our lives. And there’s many, many things you can do outside which are very fun compared to TV and things, and like you make your own experiences, so I think that’s very important. And from a kid’s point of view, I have a lot of freedom, I would think, for being outside and doing a lot of things. Like I can go down the street to go fishing if I want, I can ride my bike in different neighborhoods and things like that. And I think that’s very important because it allows me to feel like I have freedom because I’m responsible. So, that makes me feel like if I’m good and do things which are responsible, then I get to do more freedom, but if I’m irresponsible, I do not have that freedom.

Katie: On that note, do you… I’m really curious, actually just as your mom, but I’m curious what you say here. Do you feel like your freedom is limited in a lot of ways or that because of you showing responsibility that you’re able to do those things that you want to do.

Anthony: I feel like a lot of things, yeah. In some ways I feel like it’s a little bit different compared to a lot of my friends go to regular school. So, I feel like sometimes I feel different in that way, but I think it’s a good balance.

Katie: And I’m glad you brought up school. A lot of people ask me about school and what homeschooling is like, maybe I can talk a little bit about it. And we’re at a unique situation in that my parents are both retired teachers and are helping with some of school of you guys. But my focus in creating the curriculum that we use, and you can tell me if you think this is working, was that I didn’t want to just recreate a school environment but at home. Because I think there’s a lot of things about traditional school that are getting to be a little bit outdated, and we talked about some of these sustainability things. And the fact that you guys as the generation, rather than being workers in a desk, we need a lot of you to be innovators and to be thinking outside the box.

And so, your dad and I, when you guys were young, sat down and tried to think what are the qualities that most will help you succeed in life. Because we can’t even predict what life will look like when you…I mean, you’re not too far from adulthood now but when you were young, what it would look like because everything was changing so quickly. So, we wanted to make sure that you guys could maintain things like critical thinking and creativity, innovation, and ability to connect the dots. And so, we thought we don’t want to just have you sit at a desk for eight hours a day and be told what to think. We want you to get through the basics and then be able to do things that help you learn how to think, to help you learn to ask hard questions and to ask why. And as a mom, sometimes it gets a little frustrating because I’ve taught you guys to ask why quite so much. But talk about what your experience of school has been like and if you feel like those things have actually happened for you.

Anthony: Yeah. Our school system, I think, is a lot different from the public school system to where everyone learns the exact same thing. I think ours is more customizable on what we think we wanna do and what we’re interested in at that time. I think that’s very important because our school system is based 150 years ago in the industrial revolution when we needed factory workers, whereas that’s not really the case anymore and we’re still using that school system, which means it’s pretty messed up. And because everyone learns the exact same thing no matter if you like science, if you like math, if you are good at writing. So, I think it’s much more customizable. I think that’s very helpful for like the long-term plan of what I wanna do with my life and especially innovation. That’s what’s gonna be very important, I think, in the next 20, 30, 50 years.

Katie: Something I know you follow pretty closely, but so much traditional jobs, more and more can be outsourced to technology. And what we are to automate which is, on one hand, a big advantage for humanity but also that does take away jobs. Whereas, I feel like things like that creativity and that innovation, and thinking outside the box, like a machine can’t learn how to do that, at least not right now. What are some of your long-term plans for your life?

Anthony: So, as we were talking about that superworm/mealworm project, I can actually prove that we could use that to scale. I think it would be very cool to start a company in which I could actually use that. And even in poor countries, create facilities where we do this, creating food for those communities while getting rid of pollution, I think that would be very cool. And things like that, yeah. I have a bunch of different plans for businesses that I could start. I don’t know if they’re all gonna happen but like… I think space exploration is another thing. I know that sounds crazy. Typical kid, space exploration, but I think getting to Mars is going to be crucial if we want to take some of the strain off of the planet. So, I think that’s going to be very cool.

Katie: And I know you and I are both very passionate about reducing a plastic problem. And I’ve written about this on the blog and you have talked about it many, many times. And I had just quoted some of those stats about how much plastic we have in the ocean and there are floating islands the size of the state of Texas. So this is a very massive problem. And I know you know the research, too, about how if we don’t solve this problem, truly like the planet doesn’t have too much longer without addressing this. And so, I think it’s awesome that there are people like you and your generation that are willing to take these on. Because, certainly, we’ve created some problems we got to fix.

Anthony: Yeah. And I think we look at it at the point of that we’re helping the planet, whereas in reality that’s not what’s happening. Because if the planet does die, it’s really not gonna kill the planet. In a million years it will be back to normal completely fine. It’s going to kill us, like the planet is a living ecosystem. It will kick us out if we are bad to it. Like we have to look at it, I think, more of in terms of that. Like it’s not really saving the planet. I mean, it is important to save species but the planet as a whole will be absolutely fine in a million years. It’s us that will have the problem and be dead.

Katie: That makes sense. So, basically, the planet as a whole is like a self-correcting organism that is gonna return to homeostasis eventually, and if we keep sort of making it mad, we might be the casualty of that.

Anthony: Yeah. Like it’s not the problem, like the planet is not what we’re worrying about. What we should be worrying about is that we should be worrying about ourselves and other species which we are killing off because of this.

Katie: And how to live, kind of a harmony with the planets we visit. And we’re seeing kind of examples of this right now with quarantine and how much pollution has reduced just from the month that people have been in quarantine and the water in Venice being clear for the first time and place of history and all kind of stuff. You also mentioned you have a lot of ideas of businesses you want to start. And the listeners have probably heard me talk about our entrepreneurship focus in our family and how we have a contract with you guys, that before you can drive, you have to have a profitable business for a year. And I’m a big believer personally that entrepreneurs have the ability to fix a lot of these problems, some of the ones we’ve just already talked about. But I’m curious if you could talk us through some of through some of the ideas that you’ve had for this and some of the ones you’ve already tried. I won’t say the name yet because it’s not quite ready to launch, but you’re also working. But what are some of these ideas that you’ve thought about? You got a couple of years and you’ll be driving.

Anthony: Yeah. So, a podcast, I think that’s something that I’m…I think it would be very cool to interview people in these fields which I think are very important and innovation. So, it would be a podcast about achieving basically innovation in the world and things like that. And for business ideas, I have quite a few, I think. I have like a list in my room, it’s like 8 or 10 of different ones. I think one of them was to be… So, one problem is it’s hard to get water, especially if you’re in coastal regions of the world, and especially in poor places. And if we could make it to where we could use salt water to where we can boil it and then use the steam to actually create drinking water. And right now that’s way too expensive for many places but if we could innovate that and make it way cheaper, I think that would be very helpful for many countries.

Katie: Yeah. And I think that’s something we’ve talked about, you and I quite a bit in entrepreneurship, it’s you have to find a problem and solve it. And like you’re looking at…I love that you’re looking at big scale problems for the world. I know you started small. You’ve done all kinds of small businesses in our neighborhood and in our community, and I love that you’ve now kind of shifted your focus to the larger scale. One thing that we did with you guys to hopefully help kind of create the ideas for some of these was…this was of the advice of our friend, Naveen, who you also know and are friends with and you visited at his house. He’s the founder of Viome. But his advice was to have kids watch Ted Talks in the morning on three unrelated topics because he said you guys are born naturally so creative and with the ability to find patterns and good to connect the dots. So, if you give lots of ideas and things to look at, you guys will find patterns where there aren’t even probably patterns people have found. And you’ve been better about watching the Ted Talks than with some of your siblings have. I’m curious if you have any of your favorite Ted Talks that come to mind from all the ones we’ve watched over the years.

Anthony: Yeah. My personal favorite Ted Talk I think is one by Elon Musk, I believe it’s called “The Future We’re Building and Boring.” That was really interesting because I think Elon Musk, he has a view for the world in which we can solve these problems and he’s coming up with ways, not necessarily…well, like he’s connecting the dots. Because I think for an entrepreneur, that’s what’s really important. You don’t necessarily have to be the scientist that comes up with the idea but figure out how can we connect these dots and make it work. So, I think that’s very important. And watching Ted Talks, I think that’s given me a lot of inspiration because I’ll watch them on just random topics and it’s helped me see ways that we could look at this differently, how we could change the world just by doing one simple thing.

Katie: Yeah, and it really is kind of amazing to me, I enjoy them too but a lot of these, they’re 60 minutes long and it’s like the best in the world. All of the summary of all the best that we have learned in 60 minutes. And so, you have all of those available at our fingertips, it’s just really, really cool. I know you tend to really enjoy the ones kind of in line with the interest we’ve talked about of sustainability and technology. And so, do you think that these things can go hand in hand because I feel like sometimes people try to make a dichotomy between technology and environmentalism and sustainability. Do you think we can actually use technology to improve the planet?

Anthony: Yeah. I think that’s what’s gonna be the savior of the planet really is because if we look at it if they’re enemies, we’re not going back in time. It’s either we’re going to have to work together or we’re going to die as species. So, I think that’s going to be very important because we can use this technology and come up with ways in which we can bind technology in nature in a way that is helpful for the planet and other species which we want to save and ourselves.

Katie: Are you hopeful that like in the near generation we’ll find answers to like the plastic in the ocean problem?

Anthony: I think we can. We have solutions right now, it’s just that they haven’t been implemented in a way that we have been promised. A lot of people, they look at, “Oh, when is the government going to do this?” But I think we look at the government too much because we can do things ourselves. Like you can…sure, it’s hard to start a business but you can do it. And if we had more people coming up with ideas for how we can actually, like start a business and implement these solutions in a way which it is a business, then I think we could solve many of these problems in 30 years’ time.

Katie: I agree with you. And I’m excited to see what your generation can do with that. Maybe a little bit in the same vein, in our family, one of our core values is travel. And we believe that travel is great because it helps you get out of your comfort zone and you learn new skills, and you work through challenges. And when you guys were little, your dad and I realized a lot of how we got where we are in life is because we had challenges earlier in life that made us learn skills and become resilient. And so, we wanted you guys to have that same opportunity but obviously we don’t wanna just make your lives difficult on purpose so that you would have challenges to overcome. And so, travel was one of the solutions to this because when you travel, there’s just kind of built in challenges at times and you have to adapt and learn and be consistent, like all of these lessons we wanted to teach you. I’m curious where have been some of your favorite and least favorite travel experiences?

Anthony: Yeah. So, I think going to Costa Rica, I think that is tied into a lot about like how we’re saying that this technology in superworms, how we can use that to actually help poor countries. I think going there and actually going to the third world country, I think that helped me see it a lot in like a way on how we can help people and combine two things, like a problem and then use it as a solution to that problem, and then also help people in these poorer countries. So, I think that was a very good travel experience and one that was one of my top favorites. And then least favorite ones, I don’t know. There’s no way for me to tell that.

Katie: Yeah. You’ve always kind of enjoyed the travel. I feel like you’re pretty…you guys are all really pretty good travelers actually. And Costa Rica was fun because you got to go there…well, we’ve been there twice but you got to go one of the times with some of your friends from the mastermind. And you older kids even kind of gotten just go out into the local city and even like barter. You learned some Spanish, I think, on that trip and how to negotiate and stuff?

Anthony: Yeah. And I definitely did get to learn how to negotiate and I learned some very basic Spanish, not very good at all, but yeah. And it was cool to just see how things work in another country, how they do things differently, how things are the same between humans everywhere. And another fun thing about that trip which I haven’t mentioned yet is that we went scuba diving, so I think that was suddenly a very cool challenge in some ways but also very fun and it definitely paid off.

Katie: And another motto that we have in our family is that you were made to do hard things which we learned from our friends, the Langfords, and you mentioned you’re good friends with their son, Caden, and their daughter, Abby, is one of the other authors on this cookbook. And that was a great example of where you have to apply that with scuba diving because that is, your dad and I both scuba dive and that is a pretty tough thing to pick up. And you learned right at age 10 with some of your friends, and we’ve now gotten to scuba dive together. What are some other examples of you are made to do hard things in your life?

Anthony: So, last year there’s…around here, we live in Florida, so there’s a junior lifeguard program, and I had done the younger kid one and I was kind of scared to do the older kid one. But it turned out to be very fun even though it was definitely very challenging because you’re having to run multiple miles, swim 300, 500 meters, and board a mile, something like that. So, I think that was definitely very challenging but paid off and was very fun in the end.

Katie: Yeah, that definitely, you guys came home so tired from being in an area like this, because it’s important so we thought you guys should have this to be very proficient in the water, and you guys have the option, if you want to, to be lifeguards when you’re teenagers and to work in the summers that way. Also, a few that come to mind for me because this is definitely, the adults in the family, we’re not exempt from this. We were made to do hard things, too. And so, I tried to look for things that I can learn that are difficult as well and you often were alongside with me. So, a couple of others that come to mind right now are learning Japanese and pole vaulting. So, talk about those because those are not probably normal hobbies that maybe a lot of families have.

Anthony: Yeah. So, pole vaulting, the reason we took that up is that in our local area, about a mile and a half away we have a professional pole vaulter. He was top 10 in the world, I believe, at one point and he lives there and he’s so good at teaching it in a way that makes sense and it’s simple, but it’s also like you’re learning it in a way that is so fun, that I don’t know. There’s just something about pole vaulting. It’s challenging and it’s weird, it’s different but it’s fun because of that, I think. And you’re doing something that’s different and you’re flying over a bar. And then Japanese, one of the pole vaulters, he has someone that lives next to them and he’s also a pole vaulter. He’s training for the Olympics this year for Team USA, and he knows Japanese. And so, he said he could teach us and it’s really fun to see how different that language is because they do it so differently than English but they’re still somewhat the same, that it’s fun to see those differences and how similar they are though as well.

Katie: Yeah. I know we have hoped maybe if our friend made it to the Olympics, that you would be able to go to Japan and watch him. And, of course, now that we’re a little bit up in the air and we’ll have to see next year when Tokyo is rescheduled but we have a little bit more time at least to learn Japanese. But that one has been a challenge for sure for me, too. Because, like you said, it’s totally different character so it’s not like just learning Spanish where at least the letters are the same and there’s some things that sounds somewhat similar. This is like a whole different, the tonality is different and the writing is different, and you have to learn stroke, order, and all kinds of stuff. But it’s been a really fun experience.

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Katie: And another core value in our family is independence. And your dad and I tried really hard to foster self-sufficiency in you guys. And as the oldest, I think you’ve always been the most independent but we’ve seen this even more from you in the last year when you’ve learned how to fix things as they break and vet things to solve problems. For instance, I think one of your more recent projects you’re still working on is learning how to melt down aluminum for a Halloween costume. Explain that to me.

Anthony: Yeah. So, me and my friend in our neighborhood, I won’t say his name because I didn’t get permission to. So, there’s a show called “The Mandalorian” on Disney Plus. A lot of you have probably heard of it. It was really famous last year. And this Mandalorian suit of armor, we thought it would be very cool to try to do a costume like that for Halloween. And all of the film ones, they didn’t look right so we thought, “Well, what if we could do it with metal and aluminum?” I mean, you have tons of aluminum cans everywhere. Tons of people drink out of them and stuff, so it’s an easy resource to get. And if we can melt them, then we could create a really high-quality costume pretty much for free.

Katie: And you guys have tried a couple of ways so far, definitely I love it. It’s still in progress. And if we ever do round two, we can update people of how it’s going. And as we record this, we’re getting kinda towards the end, but we are all still in quarantine which is why we have extra time to record this podcast. I’m curious from a kid’s perspective, how has this experience been for you?

Anthony: Quarantine, I think because we’re homeschooled, we’re still doing school and things like that, that it hasn’t been too much different. But like on one side, yeah, it hasn’t been that much different but then on another, it’s been just wildly different because people’s behavior and things. So, it’s really weird.

Katie: Yeah. I think that’s the saddest part for me is to witness. I get that we need physical distancing but to witness how people have changed how they relate to other people and like the fear people have of each other, and I’m hoping that will go away once the quarantine lifts. And look, I think you guys have actually handled it really well and like you said, you do a lot of the things you have already done, you’re still doing school, you still play outside, so get sunshine and all of that. But in many ways, I think this time period right now might kind of define your generation because a lot of changes are gonna come from this and certainly there will be a lot of problems to fix after that.

Anthony: Yeah. I think it’s really important thought that through this, even though it’s a challenge, that we don’t overestimate it and that we are humans. If we unite, we can do pretty much anything. I mean, look at where we are now. We’re a global species and we went from being a global species to…in a 500-year period we went from being in pretty much just Europe and Asia to then being all over the world, and I think that’s really crazy.

Katie: Definitely. As we get to the end, this has been a really fun conversation for me, I’m curious if you have any advice that you would like to give to other kids your age or kids who are a little younger maybe?

Anthony: Don’t be limited by what you think you can… dream big. Don’t think that you can’t do something just because you’re a kid, I mean, you can. Sure, it’s going to be maybe more challenging because you are younger but you definitely can do whatever you set your mind to. I think that’s what kids really have to remember.

Katie: And certainly you guys do have the entire essentially world knowledge at your fingertips through the internet. And even like courses, like MIT open sources their courses now and you watch Ted Talks, so there’s so much knowledge that’s available. What about things that you wish parents knew about what it’s like to be 13 or about letting kids learn or basically things from your perspective?

Anthony: I think parents, one thing that I get kind of annoyed by is that parents, they look at kids and they’re like, “Oh, we have to keep a super close eye on them all the time.” Whereas that’s really, you have to let the kid learn to be responsible and have freedom. Because by the time they’re adults, they’re going to be doing that. And if you haven’t let them learn how to take care of themselves, then they’re just going to go from being watched all the time and having everything done for them to having nothing done for them and having to do everything themselves. So, I think that’s very important from that point of view because you want to be able to give your kids freedom, but you also want them to not give them too much because you don’t want them to be completely wild. It’s a balance.

Katie: Do you feel like because we try really hard not to assert your freedom unless that’s something that’s actually truely a big deal or dangerous. Do you feel like you have more freedom and that you have the ability to learn and make mistakes and gain more responsibility?

Anthony: Yeah. I think I have a good balance to where it’s not like, I like being controlled in a little way to where I know that like I can’t do something super crazy and I’m never going to be forced to do that. But I also like how I do have freedoms to where I can decide things for myself.

Katie: Do you feel like you have any maybe areas where that’s not true, or like areas where you wanna rebel because, I know, when I was a little older than you, there was a lot of rules and I could do a lot of things I wanted to do. And so, I always like was trying to find ways to assert my freedom. And as a parent now, I’ve realized, especially as a teenager, your psychological job actually is to become self-sufficient and to eventually like step back a little bit from your nuclear family and become an adult at some point. So, do you feel like you have any real like areas where you want to rebel, or do you feel like you’re able to exercise your freedom?

Anthony: I think I can use my freedom. So, I think that’s a good way. It’s a balance to where I don’t really rebel that much. That I think because I have the ability to do all of these things that I don’t feel I need to because I can do most of the things I want to.

Katie: That makes sense. What about from like dynamic relationship, dynamic perspective? What are some things that you help…as from a kid’s perspective, that helped have a strong relationship with a parent that make it, where you feel like you can come talk to us if you need us but also that you have freedom?

Anthony: I think it’s just really important that the parent especially let the kid be themself and do kind of what they want, but also let the child know that they are there for them and they’re not going to judge them based on what they do. Like they’re always going to love them no matter what.

Katie: I’m really glad, that makes me so happy as a mom that that’s a lesson that you felt like you learned from us. Also, I know that you’re an avid reader as are pretty much all of us in our family. And this is a question I ask everybody on the podcast at the end about books that they love. And before you answer, I’ll say, of course, the fact that you’ve now written a book, it makes it one of my favorites and that’s really special to me. So, if you guys are listening, it would be awesome if you would check it out. It’s called “Chef Junior” and there will be a link in the show notes. What are some other books that you love?

Anthony: I’ve read so many books over the years that I can’t really boil that down, that book we were talking about earlier, “Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat” and that’s a really good one that I thought was interesting. I absolutely love reading biographies. I read one about Amazon, Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, those. And then I do like fiction as well. I think that it kind of lets you see in a world where how it could be reading fiction. So, there’s the Percy Jackson series, “Harry Potter,” of course, that’s a really good one. “Keeper of the Lost City,” that’s another good fictionist. And “Hardy Boys,” I read that one a while ago, that series but I thought that was a really good one, and yeah.

Katie: Awesome. Well, this has been such a fun interview, Anthony, it’s flown by. I can’t believe we’re almost at an hour already. But I just wanna say a couple of things on the record that I am so proud of you and all of the things you’re doing, and not just “Chef Junior” and this project but how great of a sibling you are and all of the ways that you care about other people, and about our planet. And I’m really grateful that you were here with me today.

Anthony: Thanks, Mom.

Katie: And, as always, thanks to all of you for joining us and for sharing one of your most valuable resources, your time with us. We’re both very grateful that you did. And I hope that you will check out “Chef Junior” and I hope you would join me again on the next episode of the “Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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