How to Use Enzymes to Help Digestion with Steve Wright

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Katie: Hello and welcome to Valence Mama Podcast. I’m from and This is the end with E, my new line of hair care, toothpaste and hand clean personal care products that are formulated with safe and natural ingredients, but are just as effective as traditional alternatives. ۔ This event was really fascinating to me and it’s about a topic that I think is really in its infancy, with so much potential in a ton of health aspects. I’m here with Steven Wright, a medical engineer, graduate of the Kalesh Functional Institute, and a gut health specialist. He personally spent nearly 000 400,000 to overcome his own health challenges, using everything from Western medicine to shamans. And nowadays I want to talk about enzymes because of that. And we’re going to take both systemic and digestive enzymes in depth. But they were part of the puzzle for me because of autoimmune disease and weight loss. In this episode we talk a little bit about it. And the really amazing formulas that are available now weren’t even available when I was going through it. So, now I use enzymes as part of my daily routine. I saw a big difference between them. My husband also uses them. And now there are many abilities in the study that need to be linked to help with autoimmune disease, food intolerance, digestive problems, even anti-aging, and more. So, today we are going to take them all deeper. I think this event will be very useful to you. So, let’s jump. Steve, welcome. Thanks for coming here

Steven: Thanks, Katie. I am waiting for it

Katie: Oh, I’m really excited to chat with you, one, because it’s always fun to chat with you in person or on Zoom, but also because you know so much about this topic. Quantitative information is available. And I think that’s really important to a lot of listeners. So I want to dial in from there extensively and then in different areas. We are going deeper into the enzymes as I mentioned in the introduction. So, to get started, let’s explain what enzymes are.

Steven: Yes. Therefore, on a broader level, enzymes are a protein called catalysts. So basically it means it’s fast. And so the enzymes around us were like bacteria and viruses. They will live forever. They are involved in everything. Without an enzyme reaction, we would die instantly. But basically, they are a protein that accelerates any reaction at a very basic level.

Katie: Got it. And so I’m guessing these are things that are naturally present in the body to some extent, right?

Steven: All right. Yeah Al that sounds pretty crap to me, Looks like BT aint for me either. ‘Born again with the amount of pancreatic enzymes, which is probably the biggest source of our enzymes we use. They are mainly used for digestion. But we also have, for example, the hypothesis of hyper-specific metabolic and systemic enzymes in our body, such as, up to 50,000, which all just keep on reacting really crazy. So, yes, we have yeasts everywhere. We will talk specifically about, I think, the important systemic enzymes here and then the important digestive enzymes, which really, all science understands at this point too and really you all have to worry about yourself.

Katie: Gota is fine. So make sure I understand before I move on. They think you are born with all the enzymes; a specific enzyme that you are going to have?

Steven: Yes. Yes, especially pancreatic enzymes. The idea is that you are born out of this store of them, and you use them as you go through life. You know, if you were like me and you were a little late where you ate a lot of processed food or you were very stressed or you had a digestive condition or other health condition then you would quickly deplete this reserve. Can use , Or if you have methods that are found in your body, you know, hurt or get sick, you can burn your systemic enzymes to try to reduce the swelling Yes, trying to regulate your immune system. And there’s a bit of a debate about how many enzymes we really get in our lives. And I don’t think there’s a right answer yet.

Katie: Got it. So my guess is that the next question is, if enzymes are something we’re born with, can you take them externally and accomplish the same thing? Because I know that with some things like the things we make in our body it can be different from what we can use. How does it work with enzymes?

Steven: Yes. So they’re all super, hyper-special enzymes that we don’t even know what they do, like they’re probably part of almost everything, glutathione, liver detoxification. That, we can’t make outsiders. I don’t even know if we really have their scientific identity. I’ve never seen them in a book, and I think, at the moment, it’s all about enzymes. But let’s just talk about the fact that we have yeast in our mouths. We have yeast in our stomachs. We have enzymes in our small intestine, and they are; where there are pancreatic enzymes called brush border enzymes. Then we have systemic enzymes. So we will classify them as these five areas. And basically, systemic and pancreatic enzymes are the ones that may be at risk. You can think about it almost like a lifetime Co CoQ10. You know, like our age, there are inevitable things like our hormones start to die and such things. It is becoming increasingly clear that this is also happening with enzymes.

And so when you start eating, because we’ll talk about digestion first, there’s amylase, which is the carbohydrate enzyme in your mouth. And so when you’re chewing, one of the reasons is that people tell you to chew a lot and not just swallow your food whole, which I’m pretty much to blame. Begins to work in her mouth on eating. It works in your stomach. Inside your stomach, you have pepsin, a protein enzyme, a proteolytic enzyme, and that’s where it starts. And so when the food in your stomach begins to primarily self-reveal and make itself available for these enzymes, you have amyloidosis and you are working pepsin. Then, as the stomach processes, the food is slowly excreted into the small intestine, at which point the enzymes in your pancreas are basically meshed. They put it in your small intestine, and it’s a fat or lipase carbohydrate. There is more amylase. There are more proteins besides proteinolic enzymes.

But even then you have a brush border, and your brush border is like that; if you can see my hand now, I’m poking my fingers like the fingers of a soul. And basically, it’s the tiny hairs that cover your intestines, and they’re called follicles. They are part of the brush border, and these fuses are super important for almost everything in your gut. And one of the things that really matters is what hides your brush border enzymes. And if you’ve heard of lactose intolerance, lactase is an enzyme that you lose or a lot of people lose anyway, and then they have lactose intolerance. Well, the brush border is where the lactase is made, and so are some people who think that not everyone loses lactase and that there are some of us who have a brush. The border is burnt and broken.

In celiac, there are actually pictures, and it’s part of how you diagnose celiac condition, does your brush border look like it was cut, like, a road grader Or something in which everything is still standing and it is not really working. And so the brush border enzymes are really specific enzymes. They do a lot like cellulose and they do; fiber and vegetables. There are really special carbohydrates out there. And then the last group is the proteolytic enzyme, and they are mostly basically proteolytic enzymes in your blood. However, amylase and lipase also enter the bloodstream. They can be more, like ٪, but, like, your blood contains 95% protein type enzymes when we take them externally, or sometimes we just absorb our own enzymes. So they are absorbed militarily. . And they run around, and they do all these things to clean up cold blood and reduce inflammation and balance the immune system.

Katie: It’s very interesting. Okay fine. So there are so many directions I want to go from there. I think especially based on our two stories, I can see the pieces falling into place where they can be so helpful in so many different ways. And you mentioned the proteolytic enzymes, which; it rings for me, because, in my own immune system disease, it was one of the many things that made me feel a big difference. Do And, in fact, I think I’ve really worked out too fast and haven’t felt good for a while. Can you go deeper about it? You said that he was in the blood. Are What exactly are they doing, and is there an automatic link?

Steven: Yes. Therefore, proteolytic enzyme basically means only one protein degrease enzyme. So maybe I can misrepresent a little bit. And what is the difference between such a digestive proteolytic enzyme and a systemic proteolytic enzyme? Well, there is one that is working to eliminate your food, and that is what is in your blood. And so when we take external enzymes, so when we take a supplement, if you eat it with food, the proteolytic enzymes inside that capsule will really work on your food. If you eat it without eating, you will really absorb it.

And there are many studies on all the different types of products that show that these types of enzymes are absorbed into the bloodstream and then go to work. So, based on that, I know, you know, just listening to your podcast that you’ve done a lot of shows on a lot of different topics, and you’ve got such a juicy bowel and gut inflammation and spontaneous What is covered by society? And when enzymes fit into the environment when we get a leaky gut, so basically where our spirits aren’t working properly, and different kinds of molecules are flowing into our blood, a lot of times, it’s There are places where you face food intolerance. You get your milk and corn, and sometimes you get your gluten and all these different things that affect us. It is a protein molecule that is now circulating around the body, and cannot be found in the immune system. And so it tags the molecule of the protein like, “Hey, we have to kill it. We have to get rid of it. And so it basically has an antigen on it, and it puts a red flag on it.” Gives.

Now, it happens with viruses, bacteria, anything that enters the bloodstream in the gut or through the gut that is not really there. And now almost everything is encoded in a protein casing. So, all those microorganisms, almost everything that causes the blood to react, is a protein-like molecule. So, the immune system only tags these bad guys, well, these are foreign invaders, and now it’s called the circulating immune complex or CIC. This whole process is normal, although it should not be so much. And what usually happens is you have to filter these CICs from your liver and your spleen, but as you know, we live in a toxic environment. Your listeners may not be using a lot of toxic chemicals, but it is very difficult to be able to fix our lives.

And so if the liver and spleen are slow, overwhelmed, your immune system is overwhelmed in some way, or you really have a disorder, you need CICs everywhere, like. And now CIC, once they’re tagged, they spread those little gestures by saying, “Hey, I’m bad. Hey, I’m bad. Let’s kill me.” One of them is called cytokines. People are learning about it. And unless the CIC is killed or detoxified, it is releasing more inflammation. But when your spleen and liver are overwhelmed, your body, with its infinite wisdom, because I think it is very wise, will capture these CICs and store them in your soft tissues. Will go as far as possible to connect it to the root. ? Because we can’t fill our blood with all this stuff.

And in similar research, we see an increase in CIC in many automated situations. So it really is located in lupus, with rheumatoid arthritis. I searched for Hashmoto only because I knew we were talking. The research seems to be less clear. Somewhere in the study, 20 to 60 people from Hashmoto recorded high levels of CIC. You can actually run a CIC blood test to check for these things. They appear almost exclusively in chronic inflammatory conditions, AIDS, various infections. There is some new research online. And so my view on what’s happening here is that we have weak connections, we have genetically weak connections. And you were born with them. I was born with them. You can’t avoid them. And when your body is trying to protect you from all these CICs, it catches the molecules and only stores them in your weak genetically linked ones. And so if you have rheumatoid arthritis, which is close to your joints and then you get joint pain.

Now, the really, really great thing about systemic and proteolytic enzymes is that they go in and they break down CICs. And they are able to neutralize them, and they are even able to penetrate and break the soft tissues. And that’s why we have research studies on systemic enzymes which show that after really intense exercise, like, working out, like exercising, you have less pain if you have systemic enzymes. ۔ In other words, the enzymes are just working to get rid of the swelling. لیکن جرمنی میں ان کا بہت استعمال اور ریمیٹائڈ گٹھائ اور لیوپس کے بارے میں بہت سارے مطالعے ہیں جہاں سیسٹیمیٹک انزائم تھراپی مختلف قسم کے نسخے ، غیر سٹرائڈئل ، اینٹی سوزش ادویات کا مقابلہ کرتی ہے ، نہ صرف آپ کی بنیادی اسپرین اور اس طرح کی چیزیں ، لیکن بہت زیادہ زیادہ طاقتور ہیں۔ اور اس طرح وہ واقعی ٹھنڈی ہیں۔ اور وہ جمنے میں بھی مدد کرتے ہیں۔ وہ خون صاف کرتے ہیں جیسے میں نے بتایا ہے۔ اور اس طرح سے ہوسکتا ہے کہ کیا ہوسکتا ہے۔

اب ، آپ نے بتایا… یہ واقعی لمبا ہے لہذا میں اس کے فورا بعد ہی رکوں گا۔ لیکن صرف یہ سوال ختم کرنے کے ل you ، آپ نے بتایا کہ آپ نے واقعی میں بہت تیزی سے کام لیا ہے ، اور ہوسکتا ہے کہ آپ کو ان پر کوئی رد عمل ہو۔ اگر آپ کے پاس ان CICs کی کافی مقداریں ذخیرہ ہوچکی ہیں کیونکہ آپ کا جسم اپنی پوری کوشش کرنے کی کوشش کر رہا تھا تو ، آپ ان کو استعمال کرنے کے لئے ہرکسیمر رد عمل کہلاتے ہیں… آپ جانتے ہو ، ان میں سے بہت ساری واقعی جلدی ہوسکتی ہے۔ اور اسی طرح ، ہاں ، یہ یقینی طور پر ہوسکتا تھا۔ اور پھر یہ بھی کہ اگر لوگ حیرت زدہ ہیں ، “ٹھیک ہے ، یہ آواز ، جیسے واقعی قوی اور ایک طرح کا پاگل ،” ہے تو ، واقعی میں کینسر کی تحقیق کی پوری لائن موجود ہے جو اعلی خوراک ، خارجی ، سیسٹیمیٹک انزائم تھراپی کا استعمال کرتی ہے۔ یہ ڈاکٹر نکولس گونزالیز ہیں۔ اس کا انتقال ہوگیا ، لیکن ایسے ڈاکٹر موجود ہیں جو اس کی نسل کے نیچے کام کرتے ہیں۔ وہ ایک دن میں 150 سے 180 کیپسول استعمال کرتے ہیں۔ تو میں نہیں جانتا کہ آپ کتنے کیپسول استعمال کررہے ہیں ، کیٹی۔ لیکن کینسر میں کم از کم جب وہ اس قسم کے تھراپی کو استعمال کرنے کی کوشش کرتے ہیں تو ، وہ میگا خوراکیں استعمال کرتے ہیں ، اور مجھے یقین ہے کہ وہ حقیقت میں اس پر بھی کام کرتے ہیں۔

کیٹی: واہ ، یہ جان کر حیرت انگیز بات ہے ، اور میں اندازہ لگا رہا ہوں کہ بہت سارے لوگ ایک ساتھ یہ ٹکڑے ٹکڑے کرتے ہوئے سن رہے ہیں ، “واہ ، مجھے تعجب ہے کہ کیا یہ میرے ، آپ کو معلوم ہے ، خالی جگہ کو پُر کرنے میں مددگار ثابت ہوسکتا ہے۔” کیونکہ ایسا لگتا ہے کہ ہمیں ڈیٹا مل گیا ہے ، اس پر کم از کم ابتدائی ڈیٹا بہت سی چیزوں کے لئے واقعی مددگار ثابت ہوتا ہے۔ اور اس سے پہلے کہ ہم آگے بڑھیں ، مجھے لگتا ہے کہ یہ بھی ہے ، میں آپ سے پیار کروں گا کہ آپ اپنی کہانی کا تھوڑا بہت کچھ بھی بیان کریں کیونکہ آپ بھی اپنے ہی صحت کے سفر پر چلے گئے تھے اور اپنے ہی صحت کے جوابات ڈھونڈنے تھے اور پھر صحت کی حالت میں واپس آنا تھا۔ . تو کیا آپ اپنی صحت کے سفر کے مراحل کے بارے میں بات کرسکتے ہیں؟

اسٹیون: ہاں ، یقین ہے۔ تو مجھے پیدائش کا کچھ صدمہ ہوا۔ بنیادی طور پر میری پوری زندگی میں آنتوں کے مسئلے کا سامنا کرنا پڑا ، اور پھر ، آپ جانتے ہو ، کالج کے بعد ، میں شکاگو میں کے پی ایم جی میں ایک مشیر تھا۔ اور میں سپر مشیر طرز زندگی ، واقعی بہت زیادہ تناؤ ، اور زندگی گزار رہا تھا اور واقعتا میں اس جگہ پر ہر جگہ سسٹک مہاسے پڑ رہے تھے۔ مجھ پر گھبرانے کے پہلے حملے ہو رہے تھے ، میں ابھی بدترین افسردہ واقعہ سے باہر آیا ہوں۔ جب بھی میں کھاتا ، میں فلاں فوت ہوجاتا۔ میں پھاڑ دوں گا ، اور میری پرورش اس ثقافت میں ہوئی جہاں لڑکے نہیں روتے۔ اور اس طرح میرے لئے دفتر میں ہونا واقعی مشکل تھا۔ میرے لئے کہیں بھی ہونا واقعی مشکل تھا اور بنیادی طور پر چھریوں کے درد سے وار کیا تھا۔ اور اس سے کوئی فرق نہیں پڑتا ہے کہ میں نے کیا کھایا۔ میرا وزن بھی زیادہ تھا۔ میں اس وقت شاید 230 تھا۔ میری اونچی تعداد تقریبا about 245 تھی ، اور میں صرف 5۔11 ہوں۔ میں خوبصورت ایتھلیٹک ہوں لیکن یہ میرے لئے ابھی بھی بہت بڑا تھا۔ اور اس طرح میں لیٹش اور چکن کھا رہا تھا ، اور میں دن میں ایک گھنٹہ ورزش کر رہا تھا۔ اور میں پوری کوشش کر رہا تھا کہ اسے چوسے اور آدمی بن جا.۔ میں نے ابھی حادثات ہونے شروع کردیئے تھے جہاں میں کھو جانے والی تاریخوں سے محروم تھا۔

میں اتفاقی طور پر ، تم جانتے ہو ، ایک مسافر بس میں خود کو تیار کیا ، اور پھر میرے باس نے مجھے اپنے آفس میں بلایا اور کہا ، “تم دفتر سے بدبو لے رہے ہو۔ آپ کو یہ ٹھیک کرنا پڑے گا یا ، آپ جانتے ہو ، بری چیزیں ہونے والی ہیں۔ اور اسی وجہ سے جب میں نے اپنی آخری آواز اٹھائ تھی کہ مجھے کچھ کرنے کی ضرورت ہے ، اور اس نے مجھے ہر طرح کی خوفناک صورتحال سے دوچار کردیا ، آپ جانتے ہو کہ ، غذائی تبدیلیاں واقعی سے واقعی ابھی میری دنیا کو تبدیل کرنا شروع کردیں۔ اس کی وجہ سے ، مثال کے طور پر ، پیٹ میں تیزاب ، بیٹین ایچ سی ایل ، ہاضمہ خامروں کی طرف راغب ہوا۔ ایک بار جب میں نے ہاضمہ کی تکلیف دور کرنا شروع کردی تو میں جاننا چاہتا تھا کہ مجھے اتنی محدود خوراک کیوں کھانی پڑی اور میرا مہاسے کیوں دور نہیں ہوئے؟ تم جانتے ہو ، میں ہر روز کیسے اچھا محسوس نہیں کرتا تھا؟ اور اس وجہ سے مجھے صرف قدرتی طور پر صرف ایک ٹن سائنسی ادب پڑھنے کی راہ ملی۔ میں نے کالیش انسٹی ٹیوٹ میں شمولیت اختیار کی اور ان کے ساتھ فنکشنل میڈیسن میں سند حاصل کی۔

میں نے ابھی رکھی ، آپ جانتے ہیں ، طرح طرح کے جیو ہیکنگ ، سوالات کرتے رہتے ہیں جیسے ، “ٹھیک ہے ، کیوں اور ، آپ جانتے ہیں ، کیسے آئے؟” آپ کو معلوم ہے کہ دنیا بھر کے شیمانوں نے مجھے اس کی طرف راغب کیا۔ آپ کو معلوم ہے کہ اس نے مجھے ہر طرح کی مغربی چیزوں کی طرف لے جانے کا باعث بنا ، آج ہم کہاں ہیں۔ آج ہم کیوں بات کر رہے ہیں اس کے بارے میں ایک عجیب سی بات یہ ہے کہ اگرچہ میں ایک مخصوص کاربوہائیڈریٹ غذا یا سات سال سے سات سال تک خودکار پیمانیو والی خوراک پر رہا تھا ، مجھے پیر کے دائیں بائیں درد ہونے لگا۔ اور اس وقت ، میں 32 سال کا تھا۔ میں ایک “ہاضم صحت ماہر” تھا۔ آپ جانتے ہو ، میں صحت کی تصویر بننے کی کوشش کر رہا تھا ، اور میں اس چیز کے مطابق رہنے کی کوشش کر رہا تھا جس کا مجھے ہونا چاہئے تھا۔ اور یہاں مجھے چلنے میں سخت مشکل پیش آرہی تھی۔

پہلے تو ، میں نے اسے زخمی کردیا۔ میں نے خلیہ خلیوں کی کوشش کی۔ میں نے شمن پرستی کی کوشش کی۔ میں نے ہر طرح کے شدید دستی علاج ، مشرقی اور مغربی ، ایکسرے ، ہر قسم کی کوشش کی۔ بنیادی طور پر میں نے سب کچھ کرنے کے بعد بھی ، یہاں تک کہ کچھ ایسا ہی تھا جو میرے ذہن کے پیچھے تھا ، “ارے ، یہ واقعی ایک عام بات ہے جس میں گاؤٹ میں دیکھا جاتا ہے ،” میرے پاس اس کے پاس کوئی راستہ نہیں ہے۔ میں پروفائل میں فٹ نہیں ہوں۔ میرے پاس وہ چیز کیسے ہوگی؟ مجھے گاؤٹ کے آس پاس ایک بدنما داغ تھا۔ اور آخر کار ، میرے ایک ڈاکٹر دوست کی طرح تھا ، “یار ، ہم نے واقعی آپ کے ساتھ سب کچھ کیا ہے۔” اور وہی ایک ہے جس نے مجھے اسٹیم سیل دیا تھا۔ وہ ایسا ہی ہے ، “مجھے لگتا ہے کہ آپ کو واقعی یہ لینے کی ضرورت ہے ، آپ جانتے ہو ، اعلی یوری ایسڈ آئیڈیا کو سنجیدگی سے لیتے ہیں۔ واقعتا کوئی اور نہیں ہے جو اس کی وضاحت کرے۔ “

میں نے یہ کیا ، آپ جانتے ہیں ، کیونکہ یہ… میں پہلے بیک کاؤنٹری شکاری تھا ، اور صرف شکار کرتا تھا ، مجھے سوزش والی دوائیں لینا پڑیں گی۔ جیسے ، میں اب اپنی سرگرمیاں نہیں کرسکتا ہوں۔ اور اس ل I میں نے چیری جوسنگ اور ہر طرح کے کام کرنا شروع کردیئے ، آپ جانتے ہو کہ ، یوری ایسڈ کو کم کرنے اور گاؤٹ سے متعلقہ چیزوں کی تائید کرنے کی کوشش کرنے کے قدرتی علاج۔ اور کچھ بھی کام نہیں کر رہا تھا ، اور اس لئے میں یہ پسند کرنے میں واپس آگیا ، “یار ، مجھے اپنی پوری زندگی کے لئے نسخے کی دوائی لینا پڑے گی جس کی وجہ سے … اس کا معقول ضمنی اثر ہے۔ یہ میرے ساتھ ٹھیک نہیں ہے۔ اور اس وقت بالکل ٹھیک ہے جب میں انزائیمز میں گہرا تھا کیونکہ مستقل مزاجی کی کمی سے میں مایوسی کا شکار ہو گیا ہوں جب میں آپ سے بھی تجویز کرتا ہوں ، آپ جانتے ہو ، میرے سب دوست۔ لوگ مجھ سے سفارشات مانگتے ہیں ، اور میں اس طرح تھا ، “مجھے صحیح برانڈ کا پتہ نہیں ہے ، لیکن میں اس کا پتہ لگانے والا ہوں گا۔”

اور اسی طرح مارکیٹ میں بنیادی طور پر ہر برانڈ کو آزمانے کے وسط میں ، میں نے پی ایچ ڈی کیا۔ محقق جنہوں نے سیسٹیمیٹک انزائموں کے بارے میں بات کی۔ انہوں نے ایک خاص چیز کے بارے میں بات کی کہ انہیں فعال کرنے کی ضرورت کیسے ہے ، اور جب وہ متحرک ہوجاتے ہیں تو وہ معجزاتی کام کرتے ہیں۔ اس معاملے میں سے ایک مطالعہ جس نے اسے جھنجھوڑا وہ یہ تھا کہ انزائیمز کی اپنی شکل ، انہضام کے نظامی انزائمز کی اس کی شکل ، حقیقت میں کچھ پائلٹ کلینیکل ٹرائلز میں بہت زیادہ کامیاب رہی جنہوں نے اعلی یورک ایسڈ کی حمایت کی اور گاؤٹ کے درد کی مدد کی۔ اور میں تھا ، “ٹھیک ہے۔ اب میں بیچ چکا ہوں۔ میں آپ کا سامان خریدوں گا۔ مجھے اس کی کوشش کرنے دو۔ تم جانتے ہو ، میں ہمیشہ یہی کرتا ہوں۔ یقینی طور پر ، 14 دن کی معمول سے تھوڑا سا زیادہ خوراک میں انھیں کھانسی میں لیکن اس سے زیادہ نہیں ، صرف 6 گولیوں ، لفظی طور پر ، یہ درد جو میں نے 3 سال سے جاری رکھا تھا وہ ختم ہوگیا۔ تو یہ جاتا رہا۔ اور یہ حیرت انگیز ہے۔ میں اپنی بہت سی سرگرمیوں میں واپس جا سکا ہوں۔ میں اب درد سے نجات دہندگان پر بھروسہ نہیں کرتا ہوں۔

اور اس لئے میں یہ دعوی نہیں کرسکتا ، آپ جانتے ہیں ، ہمارا ضمیمہ کچھ اور کرتا ہے۔ بس میرا تجربہ یکدم ہے۔ آپ جانتے ہو ، نتائج مخصوص نہیں ہوتے ہیں۔ تحقیقی مطالعات ہیں جو ہم نے اس پر کیے ہیں۔ ہم امید کرتے ہیں کہ بہت زیادہ کام کریں گے ، آپ جانتے ہو ، 60 ، 80 ، 100 شخصی ٹرائلز۔ ان میں صرف 10 افراد کی آزمائش ہوئی ہے ، لیکن یہ واقعی ، واقعی حوصلہ افزا ہے۔ اور اس نے واقعی میری آنکھیں کھولیں جیسے ، “اوہ ، واہ ، یہ صحت کا واقعتا really نظر انداز کیا ہوا علاقہ ہے جو میری اور بہت سے دوسروں کی مدد کرسکتا ہے۔”

کیٹی: ہاں۔ یہ بہت دلچسپ ہے اور مجھے لگتا ہے کہ ابھی ابھی واقعتا talked اس کے بارے میں بات کرنا شروع ہوگئی ہے ، اور مجھے معلوم ہے کہ آپ نے اس پر اتنی تحقیق کی ہے۔ اسی لئے میں آج آپ کو اس بارے میں بات کرنے پر بہت خوش ہوں۔ خود کار طریقے سے چلنے والی بیماری کے ذریعے اپنی طرح کی تحقیق کی اور اب ہاشموٹو کے ساتھ معافی مانگنے کی وجہ سے ، میں ہمیشہ سوزش کے ٹکڑے کی طرف واپس آتا رہتا ہوں کیونکہ مجھے لگتا ہے کہ اگر کچھ بھی ہو تو ، پچھلے دو سالوں نے میرے لئے صرف اس بات پر زور دیا ہے کہ ذاتی صحت کیسی ہے اور کس طرح دن کے اختتام پر ، مجھے معلوم ہوا کہ میرے لئے کیا کام کرتا ہے۔ اور اس کا یقینی طور پر یہ مطلب نہیں ہے کہ یہ ہاشموٹو والے کسی اور کے لئے بھی کام کرنے والا ہے ، میرے خیال میں اس کے ٹکڑے ہیں۔ لیکن ایسا لگتا ہے کہ یہ سب سوزش کی طرف لوٹ رہے ہیں ، اور مجھے لگتا ہے کہ دائمی بیماری کی بہت سی قسموں کا ایک مشترکہ ربط ہے۔ اور اس طرح لگتا ہے جب ہم ان انزائیمز کے بارے میں بات کر رہے ہیں تو ، یہی ایک طریقہ کار ہے جس پر وہ عمل کر رہے ہیں جسم میں سوزش کو مختلف طریقوں سے کم کرنا ہے ، ٹھیک ہے؟

اسٹیون: ہاں۔ درست کریں۔ اور میں سمجھتا ہوں کہ ہر ایک کو انتہائی شکی ہونا چاہئے ، اور میں نہیں سوچتا ، آپ جانتے ہیں ، سب کچھ ہر ایک کے لئے کام کرتا ہے۔ تو مجھے خوشی ہے کہ آپ نے اس کی تکمیل کی۔ لیکن یہ کچھ ایسے راستے ہیں جو لگ بھگ آفاقی دکھائی دیتے ہیں۔ ان میں سے ایک سوزش ہے۔ اور اگر آپ کے پاس ٹھیک طرح سے کام کرنے والے ہاضمے ہیں تو اس کے بارے میں عمدہ بات ، کیا آپ اپنی کھانوں کو توڑ رہے ہیں ، ٹھیک ہے؟ آپ کے پاس اپنے گٹ کی استر کے ذریعے پروٹین کے یہ بڑے مالیکیول نہیں ہوں گے ، جو آپ کے مدافعتی نظام پر حاوی ہیں ، آپ جانتے ہو ، اس کا مخالف ہیں۔ آپ کو dysbiosis نہیں ہو گی ، جو مائکرو بایوم dysregulated ہے. یہ سب چیزیں کھانے سے متعلق ہیں۔ میرا مشابہت یہ ہے ، آپ جانتے ہو ، جیسے آپ نے اپنے بچوں کو کیٹی کو مونگ پھلی کے مکھن ، بادام کے مکھن کی طرح دی تھی اور اسے فٹ پاتھ پر پھینک دیں اور دیکھتے ہیں کہ کیا ہوتا ہے ، دن کے اختتام تک ، ایسا ہونے والا ہے ہر طرح کے کیڑے بنیں۔ اور ہوسکتا ہے کہ کوئی پرندہ اس کی جانچ پڑتال کرے گا ، اور شاید کوئی کتا اسے ڈھونڈ لے گا اور اسے چاٹ دے گا۔ اور جیسے ، آپ جانتے ہو ، جب بھی کھانا ہوتا ہے زندگی بس کھل جاتی ہے۔

اور اس طرح اگر ہم اپنے کھانے کو ہضم نہیں کررہے ہیں اور نہ ہی توڑ رہے ہیں ، تو ہم لفظی طور پر جس چیز کے لئے جو کچھ کر رہا ہے اسے ہمارے حوصلے میں پھینک رہے ہیں۔ اور اس سے سوزش بڑھ جاتی ہے۔ لہذا سب سے بڑی چیز میں سے ایک یہ ہے کہ آپ کا کھانا صحیح طرح سے ہضم کرنا سوزش کو کم کرنے میں مدد مل سکتی ہے۔ اور پھر ، ہاں ، یہ انزائمز حیرت انگیز ہوجاتے ہیں جب آپ ماضی کے گزر چکے ہیں اور آپ کہیں سے بھی جسم میں داخل ہونے کی کوشش کر رہے ہیں ، آپ جانتے ہو ، صرف خون صاف کرنا ہے ، مدافعتی نظام کو متوازن کرنے والے کسی بھی طرح کے ذخیرہ شدہ سی آئی سی ہیں۔ تختی کی تشکیل اور اس طرح کی تحقیق ہے ، جیسا کہ آپ جانتے ہیں ، دل کی بیماری ، دل کی بیماری کے خطرے والے عوامل میں سے کچھ ہیں۔ یہ واقعی واقعی حیرت انگیز ہے ، ان کی صلاحیت مدافعتی نظام اور تیز سوزش کو منظم کرنے میں مدد کرنے کی۔

کیٹی: سمجھ گیا ٹھیک ہے. اس سے پوری سمجھ آجاتی ہے۔ اور میں جانتا ہوں ، جیسے آپ نے ایک دو بار کھانے کی عدم برداشت کا ذکر کیا ہے اور اس طرح کے آنتوں کے رد عمل کی وضاحت کی ہے اور یہ انزائمز کیوں اتنے مددگار ثابت ہوسکتے ہیں۔ اور میں جانتا ہوں کہ سننے والے بہت سارے لوگوں کے لئے یہ ایک بہت بڑا گانا ہے۔ جب میں پہلی بار خود سے چلنے والی بیماری کا شکار ہوگیا تھا تو میں خود اس وقت سے گزر رہا تھا۔ یہ میرے لئے یہ جاننے کی کلید کا حصہ تھا کہ شروع میں سوزش کو کیسے کم کیا جا as کیوں کہ مجھے اپنی غذا کے بارے میں سخت سخت رہنا تھا اور کھانے کی کچھ عدم برداشت سے نمٹنے کے لئے تھا۔

لہذا شروع میں ، میرے لئے ، میں نے ڈیری ، گلوٹین ، ناریل ، انڈے ، اور کچھ دوسرے تھے. اور اب میں بغیر کسی قسم کے ردِ عمل کے انڈوں کے سوا سب کچھ بنیادی طور پر کھا سکتا ہوں۔ اور میں سوچتا ہوں کہ ہر ایک کے پاس جس کی اپنی خوراک میں عدم برداشت ہے یا یقینی طور پر اس والدین کے لئے جس کا بچہ کھانے میں عدم برداشت کا شکار ہے ، یہ واقعی خوفناک اور واقعی مایوس کن ہوسکتا ہے۔ اور اس لئے میں سمجھتا ہوں کہ یہ حقیقت یہ ہے کہ اس سے ممکنہ طور پر خوراک کی عدم رواداری کی امید پیدا ہوسکتی ہے۔ میں اس پر تھوڑا سا گہرائی میں جانا پسند کروں گا۔ جیسا کہ کوئی خاص پروٹوکول ہے جسے ہم دیکھ رہے ہیں کہ ایسا لگتا ہے کہ کھانے کی عدم برداشت میں مدد ملتی ہے؟ اور جب بات یہ آتی ہے تو ، کیا بچے بھی یہ کام کر سکتے ہیں ، یا ہم ابھی جانتے ہیں؟

اسٹیوین: آپ جانتے ہو ، کھانے میں عدم برداشت خود بخود بیماریوں کی طرح ہے کہ یہ محض ایک پیچیدہ موضوع ہے ، اور اس لئے ہم کسی کے… جیسے نہیں کہہ سکتے ، جیسے مجھے بھی دودھ کا مسئلہ تھا۔ میرے پاس ابھی بھی گلوٹین قسم کا مسئلہ ہے۔ ایسا لگتا ہے کہ مجھے کوئی دوسرا نہیں ہے ، لیکن آپ کے مدافعتی نظام اور آپ کے مدافعتی نظام کے مابین ایک طرح کا باہمی تعامل پروٹینوں پر رد عمل ظاہر کرتا ہے۔ ایک بار پھر ، یاد رکھنا ، زیادہ تر لوگ یہ واقعتا نہیں جانتے ہیں ، لیکن جب آپ کے مدافعتی نظام پر کوئی رد عمل ہوتا ہے تو ، زیادہ تر وقت ، جیسے 99٪ وقت ، یہ ایک پروٹین ہوتا ہے جس پر وہ اس پر رد عمل ظاہر کرتا ہے۔

اور اسی طرح جب لییکٹوز کی عدم رواداری ایک بالکل حقیقی چیز ہے ، اور اس میں بہت سارے لوگ موجود ہیں ، میرا ذاتی عقیدہ ہے کہ بہت سارے لوگ دودھ میں ہونے والے پروٹین وہی اور کیسین پر دراصل ردعمل ظاہر کررہے ہیں۔ اور ایک وجہ اور کیوں کہ ہمیں یقین ہے کہ کھانے میں عدم برداشت پیدا ہوتا ہے آپ کا مدافعتی نظام کسی چیز پر رد عمل ظاہر نہیں کرے گا یا کسی چیز پر ردعمل ظاہر کرنا سیکھتا ہے اگر یہ اس کے سامنے نہیں آرہا ہے اور سوچتا ہے کہ یہ خراب ہے۔ اور تو یہ کیسے ہوگا؟ ٹھیک ہے ، یہ ہوگا اگر آپ کا گٹ ٹپکا ہوا تھا یا اگر آپ کا گٹ ٹھیک سے کام نہیں کررہا تھا۔ عقیدہ یہ ہے کہ ہم اپنے کھانے کھاتے ہیں۔ ہم کہتے ہیں کہ یہ دودھ ہے یا اس کو اور آسان بنادیں ، جیسے مکئی کم ہوتا ہے… جیسا کہ بہت سے لوگوں کے پاس نہیں ہوتا ہے ، لیکن مکئی میں ایک پروٹین ہوتا ہے جو اس طرح کی گلوٹین کی طرح ہوتا ہے۔ اس کو زین کہا جاتا ہے ، اور بنیادی طور پر یہ مشکل سے ٹوٹنے والا پروٹین ہے۔

اور اس ل if اگر آپ کے پروٹولوٹک اینجیمز اسے توڑ نہیں پاتے ہیں اور اگر آپ کا گٹ تھوڑا سا لیکیج ہوتا ہے تو ، پروٹین یا کوئی اور مکئی کا پروٹین خون میں داخل ہوسکتا ہے۔ اور قوت مدافعت کا نظام ایسا ہی ہوگا ، “ہو ، وہ برا آدمی ہے۔ تم جانتے ہو ، ہمیں اس سے جان چھڑانی ہوگی۔ اور اسی طرح اس کا یہ پورا رد عمل ہے۔ اور اس لئے یہ خیال کیا جاتا ہے کہ کھانے میں عدم برداشت کیسے ہوتا ہے۔ ان سے کیسے چھٹکارا حاصل کریں؟ آپ کے پاس اس طرح کے کئی ٹکڑے ہیں ، ٹھیک ہے؟ ہمیں طرح طرح کے آرام کے ل the مدافعتی نظام کی ضرورت ہے لیکن ہمیں اس کی ضرورت ہے کہ یہ یقینی بنائے کہ اس کے سامنے آنا بند ہوجائے۔ ایسا کرنے کے ل we ، ہمیں کھانا ہضم کرنا ہوگا اور اس بات کو یقینی بنانا ہوگا کہ وہ خون میں نہ جائے۔ اور اتنی ناگوار بات ہے کہ… مجھے نہیں لگتا کہ یہ اتنا ہی آسان ہے جتنا صرف ہاضمے کے انزائمز لینے سے۔

لیکن اگر ہم اس کے بارے میں سوچتے ہیں کہ یہ عمل کیسے ظاہر ہوتا ہے ، تو ہم سب سے بڑی چیز یہ کر سکتے ہیں کہ اس بات کو یقینی بنائے کہ کھانا مناسب طریقے سے ہضم ہو گیا ہے اور یہ کبھی نہیں ہوگا ، آپ جانتے ہو کہ اس سے بھی بڑے انو میں ایسا ہی ہوتا ہے۔ And so we do see a lot of people who are able to take the enzymes and then over time as long as they’re also healing their gut…remember the gut wall has to close up and the gut inflammation has to heal up. If those two things happen, that’s how I believe a lot of food intolerances are overcome. Of course, you know, there’s straight-up food allergies. Those are different. That’s usually something that’s inherent to you. Those are usually anaphylactic in nature.

So, I’m not talking about those at all. That’s a totally separate conversation, a totally different medical topic. But in this intolerance thing where it’s sort of being annoyed by these foods, it does appear that if you can heal the gut lining and break the food down better, your intolerances and your diet can really expand because they seem to go away. And so the cool thing is with enzymes, you can open them up. You know, because a lot of kids don’t like to swallow pills. I’m sure you know that. But you can open them up. You can put them on their food. There’s no issue as far as doing that kind of thing. In the various different areas where children have issues with their guts, enzymes are pretty much used universally in the various disorders. So, yeah, they’re amazing for that.

Katie: That’s so exciting to me because I know when I first was trying to figure this out on my own years ago, the story I got from mainstream medicine was that, kind of like, once an autoimmune disease, always an autoimmune disease. And we don’t even really fully understand what causes them, but we don’t think you can get rid of them. And once there’s this level of inflammation in the body, you just kind of have to mitigate. And thankfully, that’s definitely not what I found to be true in my own health journey or in my research. But that’s been very top of mind for me is like, you know, I had to get really sick as an adult before I started paying attention to these things.

So I’m very cognizant of “What can I be doing with my kids now that gives them the best, you know, digestive start, that gives them the best immune start that hopefully they never have to face the level of problems that I faced?” and that I know you’ve faced as well. I know that we’re both, probably can be grateful for that because that was part of our journey and that allows us to now help other people. But it’s really exciting to me when pieces like this fall into place, and we have what seems like extremely tangible evidence of the mechanism that these things work and especially when we’re talking about kids.

I asked you this before we started, but I wanna ask it on the record as well. I’m a big proponent of various types of fasting. So I do time-restricted eating a lot of days, and I also am currently in the middle of a water fast just because I know I feel best when I do those relatively regularly. And certainly a lot of things you wouldn’t take while fasting. A lot of supplements aren’t best taken without food. Walk us through enzymes and how they can be used differently with food and without food.

Steven: Yeah. So, you know, I actually kind of do…when I fast, I actually up my enzyme dosage because I’m kind of of this idea that…you know, I’ve already had a lot of my own health changes, right? Like the idea of me being, you know, an NFL or a NBA, like an Olympic-style health athlete is just out the door. That ship has sailed. So, I need to do a lot of proactive things throughout my life to really feel and be the best. And so when I fast, I actually take more of enzymes, more systemic enzymes because I believe they’re helping to sort of cleanse the blood as you’re…you know, when you’re fasting, you’re totally changing the state of your body, and you’re, you know, potentially dumping extra toxins or certain molecules into the blood that wouldn’t normally be there. You’re also not digesting, and so there’s no real focus on digestion. And there’s a lot of focus around immune and cellular health. And so part of that whole process of autophagy and everything is protein destruction and protein degradation and protein recycling. I actually up my enzyme usage during fasts in order to try to just basically have as much of a cleanse as I can.

ہاں The big thing is basically like are you taking the enzymes with food or without food? Like what’s in the enzyme, and so the actual enzyme products. So, as I mentioned earlier, for a digestive enzyme, you really wanna be taking a product that includes both pancreatic enzymes and brush border enzymes. If you’re not taking one with both, and you’re experiencing any health issues or any gut upset at all, and you’re like, “Man, I don’t know if this product’s working,” like, there’s really no way…there’s no tests that I’m aware of for you to know if you’re having a brush border enzyme problem or a pancreatic enzyme problem or both. And so my belief is you should take a product that has both of them covered so that, you know, whatever your body’s, you know, hiccup is or issue, you got yourself covered. Now, you also want that product to be higher in protease, and you want it to be basically, like, 100% pH coverage, and you want it to be activated. If those things happen, then it can be used systemically as well. And so what does that mean?

So basically, pancreatic enzymes work in a very small window of pH, and pH’s, like, acid-base balance. The stomach is very acid. The intestines are actually more basic or a less higher pH. Excuse me. And so animal enzymes like pancreatin, nothing wrong with them. You have to understand their limitations. And so pancreatin only works in a very narrow pH, and so if your stomach acid is off, if it’s low, if you’re stressed, if you have, like, H. pylori or these other infections, the chances of your pH being perfect so that your enzymes turn on and that work is just kind of, again, you’re sort of leaving yourself open there for products to not really work and get you the intended benefits. And so I really like more fungal-based enzymes because they have 100% pH coverage. So they work from 2 to 11. Like, ours work from 1.7 to 11.6 or something. So it’s basically your whole body’s range. You really wanna get a product that’s activated.

Now, of course, I’m biased. You know, our product has a patented activation system. I literally tried 28 different products from almost every brand last year, trying to figure this out for myself. And I wouldn’t have settled on this and I wouldn’t have worked and licensed this from the Ph.D. guy if I didn’t fully understand enzymes now and how they work. And so basically, enzymes need energy to do their work, and so they need what’s called a cofactor. And for enzymes, that’s a mineral. And so basically, minerals donate energy to turn on enzymes. And so if you take a product that doesn’t have a mineral activation blend, you’re gonna have to steal nutrients from your food, or you’re gonna have to rely on stealing nutrients from your body to turn them on.

I finally realized that was the thing. Why did some days the enzyme work and other days the enzyme didn’t work? And why did some brands work with some people but other brands didn’t work with that same or with…like other people like them? I really believe it comes down to this thing of the quality of the enzyme and then, is it activated? Because if it’s not activated, it’s sort of, like, inert almost like, you know, you just need it to be turned on to work. Otherwise, you’re taking the chance that it might bump into something in your food and turn on. And so that’s why I’m such a big proponent of holozymes and this AES absorption system.

The Ph.D. guy had to do six pilot trials because the patent board was like, “Yeah. Okay, man, you know, this is sort of unprecedented science. Like it sounds cool, but we don’t believe you.” So he actually had to do these pilot trials to prove that this enzyme product works both for fat, carbohydrate, and protein and that it’s absorbed systemically and it begins to help with a clotting factor. That’s all been done in those pilot trials. Of course, we need much more research on it. But as far as enzyme product goes, I’m actually not aware of any other enzyme products except for Wobenzym that have done this kind of research. And so Wobenzym is kind of like the systemic enzyme of choice if you’re just gonna use a systemic enzyme, but it doesn’t have any of the digestive stuff. Ours has both your pancreatic, your brush border, and your systemic nature.

Katie: That’s super helpful to understand. And I will say just as a plug for you guys as well. I very rarely notice an immediate difference from supplements and I’ve added this to my routine, and I do notice, like my digestion, and I notice a difference from taking it, like a noticeable difference. You know, it wasn’t available when I was in the height of my autoimmune disease. Although I wish now that it had been. It’s so exciting to me that we have tools like this. Are there any risks or contraindications people need to know about when it comes to taking enzymes? And if not, what does good dosing look like, especially if we’re talking about yours specifically?

Steven: Yeah. There’s no massive risk. Of course, you know, always check with your doctor. For instance, Wobenzym has the most systemic…the most, like, research in the world on it, and it actually is even used in infertility trials. There was, like, a study of 141 people in Germany who are women who are infertile, and they used systemic enzymes to help them get pregnant and much better than the control group and stay for the whole pregnancy term. So, they’ve been studied in kids. Our brand hasn’t been, but enzymes, in general, have been studied in kids. They’ve been studied in pregnancy.

The only real big thing is there’s an enzyme called nattokinase and it’s a really cool Japanese systemic enzyme that’s specifically cardiac function. It rivals some specific, you know, cardio-related drugs as far as efficacy for blood pressure, for clotting, things like that. And so it does appear that, like, if you megadose that, there’s some concerns around if you’re already on a blood thinner. But just general usage of regular products like Wobenzym or holozymes or something like that, there shouldn’t be any, but, of course, check with your doctor.

So, dosing. Dosing is really kind of up to you. So like I said, the upper limit of dosing that I’m aware of is like…would be, like, 150 to 180 pills a day. That’s a lot, and that’s for very specific cancer-related protocols that Dr. Gonzalez does and his lineage does. What I’ve seen is that most people use two to six capsules specifically of holozymes per meal and then on an empty stomach. And they can see, like, really amazing results. Why the range? Well, it just depends, like how…do we know your pancreatic function? How long have you been sick? You know, what kind of food are you feeding yourself? How stressed are you? How’s your stomach acid? All these things make a difference in your capacity to break down food and how much digestive enzymes might you need.

And then, again, on the systemic side like before bed or in the morning, you know, what are you looking to do? Are you just taking this as an anti-aging supplement to keep your blood clean, to keep everything flowing well, to keep inflammation levels low? Then all the studies that the Ph.D. guy did were only two pills before bed. But if you’re specifically trying to get better athletic performance, if you’re specifically trying to work on some sort of health condition that you think might be helped by this, then I would recommend doing four to six on an empty stomach for at least a month just to see what happens. You can always go down, or you can go up.

We do have some people who end up going really, like, more on the 10 to 14 range per meal, but these are people with known gastro issues like gastroparesis where their stomach doesn’t actually dump very well or at all into the intestines. And so these should be really guided by somebody who knows what’s going on or if you have… Another way that it’s working is it is for people to, you know, help with their occasional heartburn or occasional acid reflux or something like that if they’re looking for an alternative, which, again, I can’t say that this is an alternative. I can just tell you that, you know, some people who buy our product are using it in those dosages for those conditions.

Katie: Gotcha. ہاں And I think you highlighted a really important point, which is at the end of the day, like this can be used for so many different things like a lot of these tools can. It really does come down to each of us taking the initiative to experiment and try things and try them for a long enough time to see if they have an effect. And this is one that I’m really excited about right now, like you mentioned, just for the anti-aging side and for keeping any potential future autoimmune things at bay because I know, like once you’ve had any kind of inflammatory condition, your chances of having them in the future is higher. And so I’m very cognizant of that and still try to keep my inflammation low, even though I now am much more relaxed with my diet and my lifestyle than I had to be in the very beginning.

But I think the anti-aging part is also really exciting to a lot of people listening as well. And I think we’re probably gonna keep seeing more and more on this. But it’s a pretty easy thing that seems like we can add in and try without a lot of risks, which is really, really exciting.

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Steven: Yeah. جی ہاں. The enzyme product that I’ve been talking about is called HoloZyme, and it’s the world’s most activated enzyme formula. So it is patented. We also have our, you know, dual-strain, four-times concentrated active blend. Our enzymes are made in the U.S. They’re pharmaceutical grade, 100% clean, no fillers, no additives. And so, yeah, we’re giving $10 off to try it. I mean, I think whenever you’re trying something new, I think it’s always great to save a little money when you don’t know if it’s gonna work for you. But we also, you know, just being somebody who’s been sick and consumes a lot of supplements hoping for results, you know, kind of being like, “Oh, maybe this one, or, oh, maybe this one.”

We’re also offering a 180-day refund on all of our products at any point in time for any reason. And I just know that because not everything works for everybody. And if you don’t notice the difference, I mean, maybe you’ll buy into the research to use these systemically for anti-aging or just with digestion. But I would just wanna make sure that there’s no risk, and if anybody has any issues with the product, we always just, you know, go ahead and give the money back because I know that if you’re listening to this podcast, if you’re following me or Katie, you’re trying really hard to have, you know, a really healthy life, really healthy lifestyle. So, I’m super into, like, just encouraging that and encouraging great use of your money when it comes to those things. ہاں And then we also have HCL Guard. Are you using that, Katie?

Katie: I am. But to clarify, that one is to be used only with food, correct? You wouldn’t wanna use that while fasting?

Steven: Correct. Correct. So HCL Guard is our, also a new product, never been done before. It’s a stomach acid supporting product. It’s for people with low stomach acid. And it’s correct. There’s literally acid powder in the capsule. So, you never open the capsule. Only take it with food. It’s not as universal, but for people who are over 50, you have about a 50% chance of having low stomach acid. Sadly, stomach acid’s really related to aging and hormone health. And so as we age, stomach acid declines is what the studies show. And so if you’re having any gas, burping, constipation, diarrhea are occasional, those things are all occasional. Again, HCL Guard does not treat any medical conditions. HoloZyme does not treat any medical conditions. But if you’re having struggles in those departments, they can offer support. And, yes, so it’s pretty cool.

It’s the only stomach acid formula on the market that includes organic ginger, which is a prokinetic. And many people might have drank ginger tea when they’ve been having an upset stomach. And so the ginger is anti-inflammatory. It helps support the healing of the stomach, but it also helps the food start moving through your body. And then we also include intrinsic factor, which is kind of like the bouncer for B12. It turns out B12 is a really fragile compound, and it needs support to get into the bloodstream. And intrinsic factor is part of stomach acid naturally, but if you’re not making enough, then you’re not gonna have enough to get your B12. And so we’re the first company to bring that to market. So, I’m really excited about them mostly because I’ve been using everybody else’s brands for 10 years, and I just got fed up with not getting the consistency that I wanted. And so I’m glad that you’re using them, and I hope, you know, people check them out. And I just hope it supports them, honestly.

Katie: Yeah. And I’ll say the cool thing about HCl. This was a big part of my husband’s recovery. He had his appendix rupture and then had a secondary infection and tons of antibiotics, and this was years ago. But we spent years kind of undoing that damage in his gut, and HCl was a big key for him for a long time. And he’s been able to taper down now, and I’ve also just recently ramped up my protein intake a lot because I started lifting weights again after losing a whole lot of weight. And so that’s been helpful for me is I’ve added in a lot of protein, and I know HCl can help with protein digestion as well. Can you explain the idea of an HCl challenge and how people can use that to figure out how much they need to take if they need to take it?

Steven: Yeah. جی ہاں. So you might be asking a question like, “How would I know if I have low stomach acid?” Well, you can go and get a test if you have, like, a super-advanced doctor. There’s not many of them in the entire world left. But there’s something called a Heidelberg test. There’s also a gastro capsule test. Normally, these are like $300 to $600 out-of-pocket, and you have to find a specialty provider to do them. So, I’m just gonna go ahead and assume you don’t have time or money to spend on that because you can just spend a little bit of money and try an HCl supplement and do this HCl challenge, which is the best way to figure out if you have low stomach acid.

And then you might be wondering like, “Well, what are my chances?” So, Dr. Jonathan Wright is one of the physicians who does stomach acid testing. In his clinic, he said there’s probably 90% of people he tests with IBS-like symptoms have low stomach acid. The other 10%, they have all the same symptoms, but 10% have regular acid or high acid. Dr. Steven Sandberg-Lewis, he’s a professor of naturopathic gastroenterology. He’s written some books. He’s out of Portland. He does the same tests, and he says it’s about 80/20.

And so your chances if you have digestive upset are kind of high for this. The fastest and cheapest way is to buy an HCl product, ours or somebody else’s, and you basically do this HCl challenge. So you have a meal that has some protein. It could be vegetable protein. It could be animal protein. It doesn’t matter. It’s better if it’s not, like, just a protein shake, right. Because a protein shake or a smoothie is essentially already pre-broken-down food for you. So you don’t need much acid or enzymes or anything to do much with that, but just a normal meal. You take one capsule. Most people don’t notice anything. And if you don’t notice anything, that’s pretty much a sign that you have low stomach acid, right? Because you just took a pill that had acid in it, and you didn’t notice anything.

And so how the HCl challenge works is you just keep adding one pill per relatively normal meal for you, and at some point, you’re gonna feel some sort of hotness, maybe some sort of burning in your mid-chest. Maybe you’re gonna notice a change in your stools, like maybe your stools get better, but then they go more loose or diarrhea-like, anything like that. And I would pay attention more to your gas, bloating, your stools, the toilet, what’s going on there than I would the heat sensation because getting to a heat sensation is not really always needed.

What we’re trying to do is just get you a perfect poop. And if you’ve never heard of the Bristol Stool Chart, you can google that. You’re trying to get to a four or five on the Bristol Stool Chart every single day. And so HCL Guard is…and other HCl products are a great way to make sure that happens. So, anyways, with the HCl challenge, you’ll reach a number. Like, I don’t know about you, Katie, but I actually was part of the people who don’t get the burn. So, I one time did, like, 15 pills back when I was really sick, and I was like, “I don’t notice anything.” And then I had, like, a lot of loose stools, and I was like, “Oh, okay, I think that was too much.”

So, anyways, I took about eight or nine capsules once I realized that you could just do this based on how you’re feeling and you didn’t have to find the “burn.” ہاں I took around eight or nine, and then I was slowly, like your husband Seth, I was slowly able to back down as I healed until I was off HCl for three years, and then I’m back on it now just because of the stress in the world and just everything that’s happening in my life. Stress is crazy high, and so I just realized, “Yeah. I’m not making stomach acid anymore.”

Katie: That’s another key point, I think, that you just brought up is not only is health very personalized and individualized and we each need to take ownership for our own health and figuring out what’s gonna work best for us through experimentation, but it’s also constantly changing. I feel like figuring out what works for my health right now is great for right now, and then by next month, it’s often totally…you know, like where it’s always an evolving concept. Like we talked about earlier, I think, in general, there are some things that seem almost universally beneficial, and that’s why I’m excited about enzymes is it seems there’s so many different uses, and I think we’re, like you said, just gonna keep finding out more and more. So I’m really excited that you’re pioneering this and making these available right now. Like I said, I’m a big fan. So, I appreciate you being here to educate today and explain. And to switch gears a little bit, a couple things I love to ask at the end of interviews, just first being, are there any books or podcasts or sources of inspiration that you’re loving right now?

Steven: Right now. You know, my favorite book and something that I always return to is “Man’s Search for Meaning.” You know, if you’re not familiar with it, it’s a first-hand account of a psychiatrist going through the concentration camps in the Holocaust. And it’s just so humbling. I try to read it twice a year every year to realize that, you know, what we’re going through right now as a society is unprecedented in our lifetimes. It’s intense. It’s scary. It’s so many things. And yet there was lots of other times in human history where, like, much worse happened. And then also, like, how did those humans deal with that intensity? And how can I apply that till now?

Katie: I’m also a huge fan of that book, and I think, like you said, it’s very timely right now. People have been through much worse, but it’s a great opportunity if we look at it this way to find that deeper meaning and to go reflect and to pause. So, I love that. I think that’s perfect for right now. And what are you excited about in the future? Obviously, enzymes but anything else that’s exciting to you right now?

Steven: I’m really excited about where the field of gut health is going. You know, in general, I think we’re gonna learn so much in the coming years about the gut-brain access. I’m really excited about, like, gut trauma, gut trauma brain, those types of things. I think there’s just so much that’s gonna come out around how potentially even the pharmaceuticals that we use for the brain are actually working in the gut. And I think we’re gonna learn so much more about leaky gut syndrome, zonulin. There’s a bunch of new papers that just came out in the last two weeks about this, about substances called short-chain fatty acids. These are super cool. They come from a lot of your fibers and your prebiotics, but you can also supplement with butyrate. And it’s got some really cool upcoming research. So, you know me. I’m super into the brain stuff right now. I’m very into, like, the gut, you know, meets all these other conditions and how is that happening.

Katie: Very cool. I have a feeling we’ll have to do another round, you know, at some point in the future as things continue to develop, but for any of you guys who want to try all the stuff we talked about, again, check out the show notes at or to get the discount. ہاں Steve, it’s always a pleasure to chat with you. I love the work that you’re doing, and I’m very grateful for these products and happy to share them today. So thanks for being here.

Steven: Yeah. Thanks, Katie. Thanks for letting me educate people about enzymes. I’m very excited about them. I’m glad they’re helping you, and thanks for all the hard work you do.

Katie: And as always, thanks to all of you for listening and sharing your time with us today. We’re so grateful that you did, and I hope that you will join me again on the next episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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