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Katie: Hello, and welcome to the “Valence Mama” podcast. I’m Katie from Valensmama.com, and Valence.com, well done with E End, our new line of personal care products that go beyond just safe to benefit the body from the outside. We’re going to talk a little bit about it today because I’m here with my husband Seth to answer the questions you guys have about us and their views on healthy living. Let’s talk about the names we’ve tried. On health, business together, parenting and many other topics. So, welcome, dear, thank you for coming here.
Katie: That should be an interesting conversation. And I’ll warn you guys, we don’t always agree on everything. And there are, of course, some living differences because we haven’t scripted it too much and we’re both definitely willing to be weak, especially at the end of the day, like today. So, to get started, we had a lot of people ask how we meet and what our love story is like. So we can; I don’t think I’ve ever heard this story in public on a podcast.
Seth: Didn’t you?
Katie: I don’t think I have. So, do you want to start with the beginning?
Seth: Definitely my guess. Should I have a drink first? Yeah Al that sounds pretty crap to me, Looks like BT aint for me either. I was working, bartending, waiting for tables, trying to figure out what I would do with my life, and deciding to fully participate in this nonprofit and move around the country. What Just, you know, developed a way to see the country, look at the west coast, in which I didn’t spend much time, also look at the central and east coast of the country, while doing some worthwhile and charitable work. ۔ And also, hopefully, find out for yourself and the kind of statistics that after college, the world and what life is like. That’s what happens, I also found an attractive blonde during the walk. And when we got to know each other very well while walking, and basically just had a lot of questions for each other and just made friends by learning about each other, and then dating right after that It started and they got married a year later.
Katie: And to add a little color to it. , And thus will bridge our age gap a bit. Seth had finished college and I had just finished high school and I had this really busy heat of internships and all these programs and all these things I had to do that I had to decide I didn’t want to do. I was looking to get out and it was unprofitable and I thought it was better to run than to walk around the country. So, when they say we travel all over the country, we went from Los Angeles to DC physically from May to August of that year. And I think you’ll agree with me on that, darling, we both kind of got there and thought, “Thank goodness, no one on this tour is really like me. I’m only here this summer. I’m going to focus on finding out everything. “
And it turned out that we were kind of like each other, we didn’t know that yet. But all those miles of walking, 15, 20 miles a day together, we know each other really well. And the irony was that we weren’t allowed to date on the walk because we had a group of college students there and there were such weird dynamics in visiting. So, Seth actually told me to get off the bridge and walk to DC. And our first date was in a park in DC. Ironically, we probably can’t eat or drink anymore.
Seth: Hey, speak for yourself.
Katie: Maybe you still. I think it included soda and sandwiches.
Seth: Maybe it’s Captain Morgan.
Katie: But that’s how we met. And it was a bit of a storm from there. As you said, we got married about a year later, and in the nine years that followed, we finally had six children. And with that, the business started. I know I’ve talked more about this side on the podcast and how I got really sick and started researching health answers because my background was in journalism. And that being born with us as a child became a great storm to write about so many topics that have been really beneficial for mothers. But from a business point of view, you were actually a big part of why Valence Mama became a website, not just my diary. So, let’s talk a little bit about this side.
Seth: All right. Before I do that, I just want to backtrack. You said something about us not being like each other and yes, during and after the walk, a relationship was the last thing I was looking for at the time. I lived in one and got out of it long before that. And as such, it didn’t really want to be in any other relationship. But also, I had a kind of ideal idea of what a relationship should be and what I want. And so, then, to meet you and you were not like that at all, but then to realize that you were praised for what I am not, and vice versa. And so, it completely changed my perspective on relationships and the way they work … the way they work together and the harmony that each of us has. Appreciate strengths and weaknesses.
And I think he’s done a great job in business and in life, raising children and getting married, and so on. But I think that goes into the question you have asked so far, starting with Valence Mama and everything. So, I guess it’s about 2006, we were newly married, we had our first son and I was always a tech startup. I was working for an assistant college in college admissions. And I’ve always been a tech startup with social media. And actually, you were also like the early adopter, I mean, one of the first, what are the 100 people on Facebook so far? Yeah Al that sounds pretty crap to me, Looks like BT aint for me either. And for that reason, I was really involved in blo blogs at the time. And I noticed that it has a great feature, just in self-publishing because it was basically to democratize publishing where anyone could create a website and put their ideas on paper or digitally on the web. And he could create and write about anything he wanted. .
So, I saw and felt a great opportunity there; because you were a journalism major in college and an excellent writer, and were already doing some of that, I saw an opportunity where, hey, you published yourself And you can write. About what you want and in fact, you know, it was going to be about politics because at the same time all the political blogs were doing really good and doing really good. And you were like, “Ah, no, I don’t want to write about politics. I’ll write about health and nutrition instead,” which I’m really digging into the investigative aspect right now and trying to figure out. Doing, you know, your own health issues and health for our family. And so, you know, I created for you a small site that was on Blogger.com and using it as an online journal, just to improve your own health and what you learn Being and doing research and education.
And it went from there. I mean, it’s a very, very polite start to Mama’s well-being. I mean, we weren’t even using the Wellnessmama.com domain name. Because we didn’t even make that purchase until 2009, I think. And that’s just because we wanted two more domains. So yes. So, that’s how it started. And I’ve always handled the tech side, you’ve always handled the content.
Katie: And according to this note, I think it flows perfectly into the listener’s question, which is like this letter, especially to you. How was our journey of natural life? And you were always making the changes I wanted to change and when I wanted to make changes and you didn’t want to, how did I handle that? Basically, how do we get in the middle? And at least on my part, I realized, as soon as I started researching things, because I was sick and because of Hashmoto’s early beginnings, as soon as I learned things, I Let them implement it overnight if I thought it might help because I was frustrated to find answers. And the rest of the family, due to the fact that I was a drug addict many times along with these changes. But I’m interested in hearing what your journey was like for you, because I know it was the first storm.
Seth: Well, the funny thing is, when we first started dating, and even got married for the first time, I was even healthier than you. I guess, my family was a bit more into natural health and just looking for things, whether it was through herbs and supplements or homeopathic remedies, or some more natural things, which is ridiculous because my mother who is a There were RNs, he went the other way and then moved on to natural health, maybe a little bit farther. And that’s why I think I was already a little bit into it. And so, it was kind of; even when we were doing it all over the country, like I had a bunch of supplements and things like that, some herbs and things. So when wounds like yours came, I would help you with some of them and things like that.
And similarly, I was already programmed to keep it open. But as far as you really dive into health, I mean the real changes and the things you made; I mean, it had to be mostly with food and cooking. Growing up in an Italian family, you know, we ate a lot of bread, a lot of pasta, a lot of olive oil, you know, all these things, all sorts of Mediterranean style. And so, basically, you know, you said, no grain, the grain isn’t bad, the grains are the devil and we’re only cooking with coconut oil. And some of these things and eating more collectively, I think, and not just so many processed foods; because growing up, we didn’t eat those healthy. As is naturally in mind as my mother entered in later years, as far as herbs and supplements and things like that, based on food, she basically tried to supplement like a poor diet. Was doing
And we ate a lot of processed food, a lot of canned food, but it wasn’t about health and nutrition. And for that reason, I mean, I’ve never been a good eater. I’ve always been; if you put food in front of me, I’ll eat it unless it’s something that’s so bad that I’m not going. I’ve never been better. Some people live to eat, some people eat to survive. I’ve always been mindful, you don’t waste food. If there is food, do you eat, do you eat, and is it for nourishing your body? And why are you hungry, right? So because of that, I think it was getting used to some of the things you just changed to cooking and what we would eat. So for example, you never substituted pasta and coconut oil for olive oil. And so, I didn’t really care much about it, but I just went with it because you were the cook and you are a much better cook than me. And it made it that easy.
Katie: Thinking about it, some irony. I think initially, I knew you had a habit of eating more canned food because it was more on a budget. Once or twice when I was cooking things like spinach or broccoli, and first you have to deal with it because you used to eat canned food. And when we started cooking these things with fresh vegetables, and as you learned, you really liked them. And like you will really enjoy broccoli and raw spinach salads and the like.
Seth: Well, spinach is a good example there because the only type of spinach I ever ate was canned spinach. Just like remembering Pope’s spinach and like Pope’s cartoon, The Sailor Man, you know, he opens the can and eats and then gets strong muscles. And that’s what my mother used to tell us, “You want to be as strong as a pope. You have to eat your spinach.” And it was the oldest, worst thing ever. And so, I hated spinach. There is very little food that I did not like or would not eat, turnip greens, spinach, but it was always like raw or cooked steamed things. And so, it was just that overall. And I’ve never had raw spinach, as you know, until the leaves; I think until we get married and you buy it for salads or whatever. And it was really good. And so, I really liked it. But to this day, I still don’t like cooked spinach.
Katie: And another ironic fact with these notes, I don’t think I had publicly confessed to anyone before, I didn’t know how to cook anything, like literally something else. About what I think I cooked ramen noodles in a microwave. By the time we got married, the college door was as good as my cooking ability. And I went through the ordeal in three weeks like this, it was like, “Hey, my gosh, I’ve learned to cook now that I like to cook for my husband and then finally for the kids.” And similarly, I read a bunch of cookbooks from cover to lid and thus read the science of cooking and a bunch of these things and learned to cook, and also watched some cooking shows early on. And thankfully, I learned to cook relatively quickly. I just find it funny to see that now I make some recipes for life when I didn’t know how to cook something when we got married.
Seth: Yes. And I guess, it was never even a process of thinking, “Oh, you had to marry someone who is a good cook,” because my mother was never a great cook. And again, these would mean that you have to spend for these processes. And so, I mean, I was more concerned than that, “Hey, you look good. You’re having a lot of fun and, you know, we get better and the same on life and important things. There are philosophies. So, I didn’t realize that you can’t cook or never cook that much because; and then when you started I was like, “Oh, that’s really great. You are a really good cook. “
کیٹی: انہی خطوط کے ساتھ ہی ، متعدد افراد نے پوچھا… اور شاید سب سے عام سوال یہ تھا کہ ، ان لوگوں کے لئے مشورے جن کے اہم تبدیلیوں اور اس پر تشریف لے جانے کے طریقہ کار کے ساتھ دوسرے اہم افراد شامل نہیں ہوسکتے ہیں۔ تو خاص طور پر ، کیا آپ کے شوہر ہمیشہ سے ہی ایسے صحتمند طرز زندگی کے ساتھ سوار رہتے ہیں اور اگر نہیں تو ہم اس طرح آگے بڑھتے رہیں گے؟ ہم سمجھوتہ کیسے کریں گے؟ لہذا ، اس بارے میں میرے اپنے خیالات ہیں ، لیکن میں آپ کے نقطہ نظر سے متجسس ہوں کہ آپ A ، سننے والوں کو کیسے مشورہ دیں گے جو مختلف وجوہات کی بناء پر صحت سے متعلق تبدیلیوں کے ساتھ بورڈ میں اپنے اہم دوسرے کو حاصل کرنے کی کوشش کر رہے ہیں ، یا B ، اہم دیگر جن کا ساتھی صحت کی ان تبدیلیوں پر انہیں گھسیٹنے کی کوشش کر رہا ہے؟
سیٹھ: ٹھیک ہے ، میں کسی بھی طرح کی طرح سوچتا ہوں ، بچ stepsے کے قدم ہمیشہ جانا آسان ترین طریقہ ہوتا ہے ، خاص طور پر جب آپ بڑی یادگار کی تبدیلیوں کی بات کرتے ہو۔ اگر کسی کو یہ پروسیسرڈ فوڈز کے سوا کچھ نہ کھانے کی عادت رہی ہے ، صرف ٹن روٹی اور صرف دوسرا کھانا جو آپ کے ل great اتنا اچھا نہیں ہے اور وہ زیادہ کچی یا مجموعی غذا کھانے کے عادی نہیں ہیں ، آپ جانتے ہو ، بس بہت سی چیزیں گھاس سے کھلا ہوا گوشت اور تازہ سبزیاں اور اس طرح کی چیزوں کا ، یا یہ کہ سپلیمنٹ لے رہی ہے یا زیادہ نیند آرہی ہے یا ، آپ جانتے ہو ، ان سب ، محض زندگی بسر کرنے کا زیادہ جامع نظریہ ، ٹھیک ہے؟ تو ، مجھے لگتا ہے کہ یہ بچہ قدم رکھتا ہے اور یہ راتوں رات ہر چیز کو تبدیل نہیں کرتا ہے۔ آپ جانتے ہو ، یہ ابھی تمام ڈوریٹوس یا تمام کینڈی یا سب کچھ باہر نہیں پھینک رہا ہے ، حالانکہ آپ کر سکتے ہیں ، لیکن شاید اس کو بہترین جواب نہیں ملے گا۔ لیکن یہ یہاں یا وہاں تھوڑی تبدیلیاں کر رہا ہے اور متبادلات۔
لہذا ، اگر کوئی ، کہنا کہ ، اگر شریک حیات ٹارٹیلا چپس سے محبت کرتا ہے اور آپ صرف حاصل کر رہے ہیں تو ، آپ جانتے ہو ، چکیوں کی چکی کی قسم جو بھی چل رہی ہے ، پسند کرنے کے لئے سوئچ کریں ، کا کہنا ہے کہ ، سییٹا جیسی کوئی چیز جو کاساوا چپس ہیں ، جو ہیں عام کارن ٹارٹیلا چپس سے بھی بہتر ہے۔ لہذا ، وہاں چھوٹی تبدیلیاں لینا شروع کریں جہاں آہستہ آہستہ ان چیزوں کو تبدیل کرنا پڑتا ہے۔ اور اس طرح ، ایسا لگتا ہے کہ اتنی بڑی شفٹ نہیں ہے۔ اور پھر محض احساس ، کچھ سخت بات چیت کرتے ہوئے ، “ارے ، یہ چیزیں واقعی اچھی نہیں ہیں ، ٹھیک؟ یہاں اس کے پیچھے سائنس ہے ، یا یہاں کیوں ہے ، “اور ، آپ جانتے ہیں ، اگر آپ بغیر سوڈا کے ایک دن کی طرح نہیں جاسکتے ہیں تو ، یہ ایک مسئلہ ہے۔ آپ جانتے ہو ، میرا مطلب ہے کہ آپ اس میں شوگر کے عادی ہیں یا باقاعدہ کوک یا پیپسی جیسے سوڈا کو تبدیل کرتے ہیں یا کچھ بھی کہتے ہیں ، جیسے زیویا یا کوئی ایسی چیز جو تھوڑا سا صحت مند یا کمبوچو یا کچھ بھی ہو۔ اور صرف ان میں سے کچھ تبدیلیاں کرنے کی کوشش کر رہا ہوں ، بہت پہلے ، بہت چھوٹی تبدیلیاں۔ لیکن ان گفتگو کے ساتھ ساتھ یہ بھی ہے کہ آپ کو اپنی صحت کے ل it ، ہمارے کنبے کے ل it ، اسے کرنے پر غور کرنا چاہئے ، میں چاہتا ہوں کہ آپ زیادہ دن زندہ رہیں۔ آپ جانتے ہیں ، اگر وہ کھلاڑی ہیں یا کھیلوں میں یا کچھ بھی ، آپ کو بہتر کارکردگی کا مظاہرہ کرنا ہوگا ، یا آپ کے پاس زیادہ توانائی ہوگی یا آپ کی نیند بہتر ہوگی۔ ان تمام چیزوں کے بارے میں میرے خیال میں اس میں جانے کا ایک اچھا طریقہ ہے۔
کیٹی: اور میرے نقطہ نظر سے ، اس شخص کی طرف سے جو آپ کو تبدیلیوں سے بچانے کی کوشش کر رہا تھا ، میں کہوں گا… مشورے کے تین ٹکڑے جو اس طرح جاسکیں گے ، ہوں گے۔ میرے خیال میں دن کے اختتام پر ، حقیقی خوراک اور صحت مند کھانا ہمیشہ بہتر ذائقہ لے سکتا ہے۔ میرے خیال میں ہماری ترکیبیں جو ہمیں پسند آئیں ان کو ڈھونڈنے میں ہمیں تھوڑی دیر لگ گئی۔ لیکن اب ، ہمارے پاس ترکیبوں کا یہ موسمی گھومنے والا کھانے کا منصوبہ ہے جو انتہائی صحتمند اور اصل کھانا ہے ، لیکن آپ بھی حقیقی طور پر ان سے لطف اٹھائیں۔ لہذا ، جب کھانا کھانا پسند کرتے ہو تو شریک حیات کو بورڈ میں رکھنا بہت آسان ہوتا ہے۔ لہذا ، مجھے نہیں لگتا کہ میں نے اسے ابھی شائع کیا ہے ، لیکن کٹوری کے نسخے میں ایک انڈا رول موجود ہے جو میں ہمارے لئے کافی حد تک بنا دیتا ہوں۔
سیٹھ: تو اچھا ہے۔
کیٹی: یہ صحت مند ترکیبوں میں سے ایک ہے جو ہم بناتے ہیں اور آپ اسے پسند کرتے ہیں۔ لہذا ، مجھے یہاں تک کہ کوشش کرنے اور آپ کو سوار ہونے کی ضرورت نہیں ہے۔ اگر میں اسے بنا دیتا ہوں اور آپ تین پیالوں کی طرح کھاتے ہیں اور آپ اسے پسند کرتے ہیں اور وہاں کوئی رگڑ نہیں ہے۔
سیٹھ: تو اچھا ہے۔
کیٹی: لیکن ہمیں وہ ترکیبیں ڈھونڈنے میں تھوڑا وقت لگا۔ لہذا ، میں ہمیشہ کہتا ہوں ، ترک نہ کریں اور کوشش کرتے رہیں جب تک کہ آپ کو ترکیبیں ملنے پر پورا کنبہ متفق نہ ہو۔ لیکن یہ بھی ، میں یہ کہوں گا کہ جب بورڈ میں شریک حیات کے بارے میں سوچنے کی بات آتی ہے تو ، مجھے سننے والوں سے بہت سارے سوالات ملتے ہیں ، آپ اپنے شوہر کو یہ کام کیسے کرتے ہیں؟ اور میرا ذہن سازی ہمیشہ رہا ہے ، آپ میرے بچے نہیں ہو۔ جیسے ہم دونوں اپنے بچوں کے لئے ذمہ دار ہیں اور انہیں کھانے کی مکمل آزادی نہیں ہے کیونکہ ہم کھانا خریدتے ہیں۔ اور اس طرح ، انھوں نے جو کھانا بناتے ہو اسے کھانا پڑے اور ہم ان کے لئے متناسب غذا کھانا پکانے کی کوشش کرتے ہیں۔
لیکن آپ میرے بچے نہیں ہیں لہذا یہ میرا کام نہیں ہے کہ آپ کو کھانا کھا سکوں۔ آپ کی خودمختاری اور آزادی کا احترام کرنا ، آپ کو تعلیم دینا اور میرے لئے اہم چیزوں کی وضاحت کرنا آپ سے بالغ گفتگو کرنا میرا کام ہے۔ لیکن دن کے اختتام پر ، آپ کس طرح کھانے کا انتخاب کرتے ہیں وہ یہ ہے کہ آپ کس طرح کھانے کا انتخاب کرتے ہیں۔ اور یقینا، ، جب آپ گھر پر نہیں ہوتے ہیں ، تو یہ واقعتا میرا کاروبار نہیں ہے کہ آپ کس طرح کھانے کا انتخاب کرتے ہیں۔ لیکن جب آپ گھر پر ہوتے ہیں ، کیونکہ میں اپنے گھر پر زیادہ تر کھانا سنبھالتا ہوں تو ، مجھے لگتا ہے کہ کھانا مہیا کرنا میری ذمہ داری ہے۔ اور شکر ہے کہ آپ چننے نہیں لیتے ہیں ، لہذا عام طور پر ، جب میں صحت مند کھانا پکاتا ہوں تو آپ صحتمند کھاتے ہیں اور اس طرح سے ہمارے لئے فائدہ مند ثابت ہوتا ہے۔ اور میں جانتا ہوں کہ ہر رشتے میں ایسا نہیں ہوتا ہے ، لیکن مجھے لگتا ہے کہ یہ برقرار رکھنے کے لئے یہ ایک اہم تناظر ہے کہ آپ میرے بچے نہیں ہیں۔
لہذا ، میں آپ کو یہ کرنے کی کوشش نہیں کر رہا / مجبور کرتا ہوں کہ آپ جو کچھ بھی کر رہا ہوں اسے اپنائیں ، لیکن یہ ہمارے گھر والوں کے لئے مشترکہ بنیاد تلاش کرنے کے بارے میں ہے جو ہم دونوں اپنے بچوں کے ساتھ ساتھ چل سکتے ہیں۔ اور پھر ، میں آخر میں یہ بھی کہوں گا ، تیسری بات یہ ہے کہ جب میں ہاشموٹو کی بدترین حالت میں تھا ، آپ نے جواب دیا اور جب میں آپ کے پاس آیا اور کہا ، “میں بیمار ہوں۔ اور مجھے لگتا ہے کہ مجھے یہ کرنے کی ضرورت ہے تاکہ میں بہتر ہوسکوں۔ اور میں توقع نہیں کرتا ہوں کہ آپ ہمہ وقت اس طرح کھاتے رہیں گے ، لیکن گھر میں ، مجھے ابھی تک اس طرح کھانا پکانے کی ضرورت ہے جب تک کہ میں بہتر نہیں ہوں۔ ” اور آپ اس طرح کے بننے کے لئے بالکل تیار تھے ، بے شک ، میں اس کی تائید کے ل do یہ کام کروں گا تاکہ آپ خود کو بہتر محسوس کرسکیں۔ یہاں تک کہ میں آپ سے اپنی پوری طرز زندگی کو تبدیل کرنے کے لئے نہیں کہتا تھا ، یہ تو تھا ، کیا آپ گھر میں میری مدد کرسکتے ہیں…
کیٹی:… جب ہمارا کنبہ یہ کام کر رہا ہے؟ اور یہ کہ میں سمجھتا ہوں کہ آپ کے ہاں ہاں کہنا اتنا آسان ہوگیا ہے ، کیونکہ آپ کو یہ احساس ہوا کہ یہ میرے لئے اور میری صحت کے ل was ضروری ہے ، نہ کہ صرف وہی کچھ جس پر میں آپ کو مجبور کرنے کی کوشش کر رہا ہوں۔ لہذا ، شاید کسی سننے والے کے ل I ، میں نہیں جانتا کہ معاملہ کیا ہے ، اور ہر تعلق اتنا مختلف ہے ، لیکن مجھے ایسا لگتا ہے کہ وہ تین چیزیں اس کو نیویگیشن کرنے میں میرے لئے مدد گار تھیں۔ اور مجھے ایسا لگتا ہے ، امید ہے کہ ، اگر آپ غلط ہوں تو آپ مجھے بتاسکتے ہیں ، لیکن امید ہے کہ ہمارے لئے اس تبدیلی سے کچھ رگڑ نکال لیا۔
سیٹھ: ہاں ، یقینی طور پر لیکن ایک بار پھر ، میں سمجھتا ہوں کہ ہر صورتحال مختلف ہے۔ آپ جانتے ہیں ، کچھ جوڑے صرف تعلقات پر منحصر ہوتے ہیں کہ وہ کس طرح باہمی تعامل کرتے ہیں اور ایک دوسرے کے مابین ان کی متحرک ، مواصلات کا انداز بھی اس میں شامل ہوگا۔ آپ جانتے ہو ، ہمارے دوست اور کنبہ کے ممبر ہیں جو بیوی کو پسند کرتے ہیں شوہر کی خواہش کے مطابق ، “میں اسے خوش کرنے کی کوشش کر رہا ہوں” حالانکہ یہ صحت مند نہیں ہے یا اس وجہ سے کہ وہ اتنا چنچل ہے ، وہ صرف کچھ نہیں کھائے گا ، اور وہ صرف بھوک ہڑتال پر جائیں گے یا وہ میکڈونلڈ کے پاس جا رہے ہیں یا کچھ بھی نہیں اگر وہ اپنی مرضی کے مطابق نہیں مل پائے گا۔ لیکن میرے نزدیک ، یہ بچکانہ ہے۔ میرا مطلب ہے ، چلو ، بڑھو۔ یہ صرف اس سے بہت بڑا ہے ، ابھی اس کا ذائقہ کیسے آجاتا ہے کیوں کہ یہی وہ چیز ہے جو میں استعمال کرتا تھا۔ آپ جانتے ہو کہ یہ میری ماں نے میرے لئے بنایا تھا۔ ٹھیک ہے ، ٹھیک ہے ، اب آپ بڑے لڑکے ہو۔ آپ جانتے ہیں کہ آپ کچھ نہیں کرتے ہیں کیونکہ آپ کی والدہ نے آپ کے لئے یہ کیا ہے۔ ہم سب یہاں بالغ ہیں۔ ہم بچے نہیں ہیں جہاں ہمیں یہ کرنے پر مجبور کیا گیا ہے۔ لہذا ، اپنے جسم میں اور جو کھانا آپ کھا رہے ہو اس میں اور ان سب چیزوں کے بارے میں شعور کا انتخاب کریں کیونکہ یہ آپ کے لئے ہی نہیں ، صرف آپ کے ل not ، بلکہ اپنے کنبہ کے لئے ، اپنے بچوں کے لئے بھی ضروری ہے۔ ، آپ کے شریک حیات کے لئے ، آپ کے اہم دوسرے کے لئے ، وغیرہ۔
کیٹی: اور یقینا، ، مجھے درست کریں اگر آپ اس سے متفق نہیں ہیں ، لیکن میں کہوں گا ، مجھے ایسا لگتا ہے جیسے ہمارا پورا کنبہ بہتر محسوس ہوتا ہے اور جب ہم اس طرح بھی کھاتے ہیں تو فرق محسوس ہوتا ہے۔ اور میں یقینی طور پر نظاموں اور رسد کے انتہائی آخر پر ہوں اور شاید تھوڑا سا اعصابی بھی ہوں۔ لہذا ، ہم سب نے اپنے جین کو نیوٹریشن جینوم کے ذریعہ چلایا ، جسے ہم شو کے نوٹ میں لنک کرسکتے ہیں۔ اور یہ آپ کے جینوں ، آپ کے اعلی کھانے کی اشیاء کی بنیاد پر ایک رپورٹ تیار کرتا ہے۔ اور اسی طرح ، میں نے اپنے تمام کنبہ کو ، ہم سبھی آٹھ افراد کو لے لیا ، اور ایک اسپریڈشیٹ تیار کی اور مماثلت پائی۔ اور پھر میں نے ان کھانوں کو حقیقی منصوبوں میں ڈال دیا اور ہمارے پاس موجود تمام عام کھانوں پر مبنی کھانے کے منصوبے بنائے۔ اور پھر ، میں صرف اس پر مبنی چیزیں شامل کرتا ہوں… لہذا ، ہمارے کچھ بچوں کو کارب کی ضرورت بہت زیادہ ہوتی ہے۔ لہذا ، ہم ان میں سفید چاول یا آلو یا میٹھے آلو جیسی چیزوں میں اضافہ کرتے ہیں۔
اور اس طرح ، ان چیزوں کو معیاری بنانے کا ایک آسان طریقہ تھا جس کی ہمیں معلوم تھی کہ ہمیں سب کی ضرورت ہے۔ اس کے بجائے صرف کھانا اس بات کا ہے کہ اس کا ذائقہ اس کے ذائقہ میں کیوں ہوتا ہے ، ہم اپنے گھر والوں کو کس طرح بہتر طور پر تائید کرسکتے ہیں ، جو بجٹ پر کرنا بالکل ممکن ہے کیونکہ ہماری بیشتر عام کھانوں میں سبزی ہوتی ہے اور ہم اسے موسمی طور پر گھوم سکتے ہیں۔ لیکن اس نے میرے لئے بھی واقعی آسان بنانے میں مدد کی۔ اور میں جانتا ہوں… جب ہم اس طرح سے کھاتے ہیں تو میں یقینی طور پر بہتر محسوس ہوتا ہوں۔ میرے خیال میں بچے یقینی طور پر اس کا بہتر جواب دیتے ہیں۔ ایسا لگتا ہے کہ آپ بھی بہتر محسوس کریں گے ، لیکن میں آپ کے لئے بات نہیں کرنا چاہتا ہوں۔
سیٹھ: اوہ ہاں ، یقینی طور پر میرا مطلب ہے… اور میرا خیال ہے کہ پچھلے آٹھ سالوں سے میری اپنی صحت سے متعلق مسائل ہیں ، اور صرف یہ جاننے کی کوشش کر رہا ہوں کہ میرے لئے کیا کام ہے ، یہ بات بھی یقینی طور پر ثابت ہوگئی ہے۔ میرا مطلب ہے ، میں یقینی طور پر بہت ساری پروٹین ، بہت سی گوشت ، مچھلی اور تازہ سبزیوں میں بہترین محسوس کرتا ہوں۔ میں کاربس کے ساتھ ایسا نہیں کرتا۔ میں بہت سے شکروں کے ساتھ بالکل بھی اچھا نہیں کرتا ہوں۔ میرا مطلب ہے کہ ، میں قطعا. جنک فوڈ لڑکا نہیں ہوں ، اور واقعتا a میرے پاس کوئی میٹھا دانت نہیں ہے۔ میرے خیال میں میں چھوٹا تھا جب میں تھا ، لیکن میں سوچتا ہوں کہ ہم نے گذشتہ سالوں میں بہت ساری چیزیں ، بہت سارے روزے ، وقفے وقفے سے روزہ رکھنا ، اور صرف ایک قسم کا کھانا کھایا اور یہ دیکھنا کہ میرے جسم کے لئے کیا کام ہے۔ … چونکہ سب میں ایک ہی سائز کے فٹ بیٹھتے ہیں ، ہر کوئی اس سے مختلف ہوتا ہے۔ اور صرف یہ معلوم کرنا کہ آپ کے لئے کیا کام ہے۔ کیونکہ ، آپ جانتے ہیں ، آپ کے لئے کیا کام کرتا ہے ، کیٹی ، میرے لئے کیا کام کرتا ہے ، وہ مختلف چیزیں ہیں۔ ہمارے بچوں کے لئے کیا کام کرتا ہے ، وہ بھی مختلف ہیں۔ میرا مطلب ہے ، ذرا فرق دیکھیں کہ ہمارے کچھ بچوں کے مقابلے میں کچھ کھانے کی چیزوں کے مقابلے میں دوسروں کے رد عمل کا اظہار کیا جاتا ہے۔ آپ کو معلوم ہے ، کچھ کو زیادہ کارب کی ضرورت ہے ، کچھ کو زیادہ پروٹین کی ضرورت ہے ، کچھ کو زیادہ سبزیوں کی ضرورت ہے۔
کیٹی: ٹھیک ہے ، اصل میں… میرا ایک اور سوال ہے۔ لیکن اس سے پہلے کہ ہم اس میں کودیں ، میرے خیال میں یہ ایک اور اہم نکتہ بنتا ہے ، جس کی وجہ سے میں جانتا ہوں کہ پچھلے دو سالوں سے میرا سبق یہ رہا ہے کہ آپ صحت کے لحاظ سے کیا کام کر سکتے ہیں اس کا اندازہ لگاسکتے ہیں۔ صحت کے لحاظ سے آپ کے لئے کیا کام کرتا ہے۔ لہذا ، ہم میں سے آٹھ اور ہمارے گھر میں متغیر کے ساتھ ، یہ معلوم کرنا واقعی میں ایک بہت بڑا کام رہا ہے کہ ہمارے ہر بچے کو انفرادی طور پر کیا ضرورت ہے اور ستم ظریفی یہ کہ یہ معلوم کرنا کہ آپ کی کیا ضرورت ہے۔ کیونکہ میرے نزدیک اس کا مضحکہ خیز حصہ ویلنس ماما کے ساتھ ہی ہے ، اس لئے یہ حیرت کی بات ہے کہ ہم نے جو معلومات پیش کی ہے اسے دیکھ کر ، امید ہے کہ ان تمام خاندانوں کی مدد کریں گے اور آپ کی مدد کرنے کی کوشش کرنے میں میرا سب سے مشکل معاملہ رہا ہے۔ اور میں سوچتا ہوں … ٹھیک ہے ، ہم شاید اس میں پائے جانے والے کچھ عوامل کے بارے میں تھوڑی بہت بات کر سکتے ہیں۔
لہذا ، مجھے یقین ہے کہ یہ سن 2012 کی بات ہے ، کچھ سامعین یہ یاد کر سکتے ہیں اگر وہ زیادہ دن ہمارے ساتھ رہے تو ، آپ کا ضمیمہ پھٹ گیا۔ اور ہمارے پاس بہت تیز کی طرح تھا ، یہ 10 دن کا عرصہ تھا جہاں آپ کو ثانوی انفیکشن ہوتا تھا ، قریب قریب ہی دم توڑ جاتا تھا ، C-diff ہوتا تھا ، IV کے ذریعے ہر تین گھنٹے میں اینٹی بائیوٹک ہوتا تھا ، بنیادی طور پر وہ تمام چیزیں جو آپ بہتر طور پر نہیں کرنا چاہتے تھے۔ . لہذا ، آپ کا اپنا صحت سے متعلق سفر تھا۔ اور تب سے ، آپ یہ جاننے کے لئے میرے سب سے مشکل معاملات میں سے ایک رہے ہیں۔ لہذا ، ہمارے بہت سارے فیملی اور دوست جن کی میں نے غذائی اجزاء اور جینوں اور اس سبھی کے ساتھ مدد کی ہے ، اس کا جواب دینا بہت آسان ہو گیا ہے۔ اور اب ہم جانتے ہیں کہ اس میں بہت سارے عوامل پائے جاتے ہیں ، اس میں یہ بھی شامل ہے کہ آپ بنیادی طور پر ہر چیز کا ایک بہت تیز تحول ساز ہیں۔ لہذا ، آپ کو جواب دینے کے ل stuff آپ کو چیزوں کی کافی مقداریں دینا مشکل ہے۔ لیکن میرے لئے یہ ایک دلچسپ سبق رہا ہے کہ یہ جاننا میرے لئے کیا کام کرتا ہے ، نہیں ، یقینا، وہی چیز ہوگی جو آپ کے ل worked کام کرتی ہے ، اور ہر شخص اتنا مختلف ہے۔ لیکن یہ ابھی میرے لئے ایک سیکھنے کا سفر رہا ہے کہ آپ اپنے گٹ کو ٹھیک کرنے کے ل the چیزوں کا پتہ لگانے میں اور اس کے بعد اپنی صحت کی بحالی میں مدد کرنے کی کوشش کریں۔
سیٹھ: ہاں ، پوری طرح متفق ہوں۔ اور میرا اندازہ ہے ، میرے خیال میں یہاں ایک سب سے بڑا سبق یہ ہے کہ اس طرح کے کاروبار کو لے کر ، جہاں تک ویلنس ماما ، یا صرف مشمولات کی بات ہے ، آپ جانتے ہو ، ابتدائی ایام میں آپ واقعی حد سے زیادہ غیر متزلزل تھے۔ جیسا کہ آپ کو یہ یقینی طور پر کھانا ہے ، یہ ہمیشہ صحت مند ہوتا ہے اور یہ ہمیشہ غیر صحت بخش ہوتا ہے۔ اور پھر یہ احساس کرتے ہوئے ، کہ آپ اپنے ہی صحت کے سفر سے گزر رہے ہیں اور پھر میرے ، ہمارے بچے ، اور بہت سارے دوسرے لوگوں کے ساتھ مل کر کام کر رہے ہیں اور بات چیت کر رہے ہیں اور پڑھنے کے مطالعے اور اس طرح کی چیزوں کو دیکھ رہے ہیں ، اور یہ بھی دیکھتے ہیں کہ یہ بھی ذاتی نوعیت کا ہے۔ آپ کو معلوم ہے کہ ناریل کا تیل لازمی طور پر ایک سپر فوڈ نہیں ہے کہ ہر ایک کو ہر وقت کھانا چاہئے۔ یہ مقامی نہیں ہے جہاں شمالی نصف کرہ کے لوگوں کو اس کا اتنا زیادہ استعمال کرنا چاہئے کیوں کہ یہ صرف مقامی طور پر وہاں کاشت نہیں کیا گیا ہے۔ مثال کے طور پر ، آپ جانتے ہو ، آپ کا ایک مضمون تھا ، “کس طرح دانے آپ کو آہستہ سے مار رہے ہیں۔”
اور ، آپ جانتے ہیں ، کچھ لوگوں کے لئے ، اناج ہوتے ہیں ، اگر آپ سیلیک ہیں ، اگر آپ کو گلوٹین حساسیت یا عدم برداشت ہے تو ، آپ کو اناج نہیں کھانا چاہئے ، لیکن دوسرے لوگوں کے لئے ، وہ ان کے ساتھ ٹھیک کرتے ہیں ، اور ایسا نہیں ہے۔ ایک بڑا فیصلہ. ہر ایک بہت مختلف ہے اور ان کی صحت ، یہ آپ کے جینیات کی بنیاد پر ان کے ل so اتنا مخصوص ہو گیا ہے ، ممکنہ طور پر آپ کے خون کی قسم پر مبنی ہے ، جو آپ کی آب و ہوا پر ، جہاں آپ رہتے ہیں ، بہت سارے عوامل پر مبنی ہے۔ اور مجھے لگتا ہے کہ اس میں بہت زیادہ کردار ادا ہوتا ہے۔ لیکن میرے لئے ، میرا مطلب ہے ، یہ دیکھ کر واقعی مایوسی ہوئی ہے ، آپ جانتے ہو ، آپ نے کلائنٹ کی بنیاد پر یا تو بہت سارے لوگوں کے ساتھ کام کیا ہے ، چاہے وہ قارئین ہوں یا پوڈ کاسٹ سننے والے ہوں یا ہمارے کنبے یا دوست ہوں یا چیزیں آپ ‘ صرف ، آپ جانتے ہو ، ابھی مدد کی ہے ، خواہ مشورے ہوں یا کچھ بھی ، صرف ان کی اپنی تغذیہ اور صحت سے متعلق چیزوں میں مدد کریں۔
And most of them are seeing incredible results like overnight, you know, or within a very short period of time. And I feel like for me, it’s been really frustrating because it’s like you’ve tried so many different things and nothing has worked that well. But I feel like it started to a little bit more because… A little bit more of that backstory. Yeah, in 2012, I had an emergency appendectomy, my appendix partially ruptured and then the doctor screwed it up and didn’t get everything all cleaned out. And so, I got a secondary infection. I was in the hospital for 10 days, like Katie mentioned. I was on all kinds of antibiotics. It basically screwed up my entire gut and so I was just sluggish and didn’t have any energy, couldn’t lose weight. My testosterone was crazy low. It seems like anything that I did, nothing would seem to help it.
And so, I basically had to try…tried everything under the sun, every different type of diet, lots of specialists and things to just try to figure out what was going on and why. And even from the outside, everything looked good other than the fact that I was, you know, somewhat overweight. But it’s only been in the past year or so that I feel like we’ve kind of finally started to get that under control. And I’m finally back down weight-wise where I should be, I definitely have more energy and stuff. And still trying to figure it all of that out. But just realizing that everything is so personalized and that what works for one person isn’t necessarily going to work for everyone else. Supplements is a great example, like the different stacks of supplements that you’ll give to different people based on their genetics and things like that. It’s like, “Oh, this works amazing for that,” but you do the same thing for me and it’s like, I don’t notice a difference at all. Like, I don’t notice the difference if I took those or if I took nothing. So, that’s been frustrating, at least on my end, as far as that goes.
Katie: I feel like the genetics were a big key for you and we had to get really granular on some stuff and just pretty big, simple little doses to get some things back in range. But I think we have seen big changes with you in the past year. And to your point, like going back to some of those articles, I look at things…like I do think saturated fat was unfairly villainized in society. And we went through these decades of saturated fat being 100% the enemy. And so, early on in writing, I found that out and kind of made a case for saturated fat is not bad. And I fully still stand behind that, that I don’t think saturated fat is objectively bad. I think many people need more saturated fat than they were getting for a long time, especially when they were replacing those saturated fats with things like vegetable oils. But the irony is, for me, I found out, based on my genes, I don’t do well with almost any saturated fat at all, including coconut oil.
And I think like red meat was unfairly villainized and I still do better without red meat because my iron gets too high. Whereas, you need more red meat, like a lot of red meat. So, there’s just all those really individual factors. And I’m personally really excited for that because I think in the next 10 to 20 years, we’re going to see amazing research and be able to really use this to our advantage with genes and epigenetics, and being able to alter dietary approaches and light. And there’s just so much exciting research, but it does really just all point to the fact that, like you said, we are so individual. And that leads into the next listener question actually perfectly, which is, what are the weirdest things that you’ve made him try in the name of health? And I can throw at you as ideas, if you want, or you can start with some of the ones you think have been the craziest.
Seth: I mean, I feel like my entire life I’ve been a Guinea pig for everything. I was the oldest of six kids. And so, I was kind of always the experiment for everything that…to see what would work. So, I’m pretty much self-taught in everything that I’ve ever done. So, because of that, you know, it’s like, “Okay, what are we going to do? Throw it at me, let’s see where it goes.” So, I’ve always been pretty open to lots of different experiments and crazy biohacking and health experiments and things like that. But, I mean, fasting, just water fasting and dry fasting, when you first mentioned those, I was like, I’m not going to eat for a day?
Katie: I remember that conversation. When I came back from a…basically longevity cancer conference and was like, “I have this great idea. So, we’re going to just not eat for a week.” And you were like, “What now?”
Seth: Yeah. And I was like, “Why would I do that? That’s crazy. Why would I not eat food? I like to eat. Food is good. Starving is bad.” ہاں So, that would be one, definitely noticed the benefits from that. And so, like I’ll usually do like a three to five day fast once a quarter. And then we usually start off the year with, like a week-long, 7 to 10 day fast as well. And have definitely noticed some increased energy and weight loss and muscle increase from doing that and increased metabolism from doing that for sure. So, that would be one of them. Coffee enemas. That’s a weird one. Yeah, but definitely helps the bowels and the gut and everything. Yeah, that one’s not quite as fun. Actually, neither of those are fun. What am I talking about?
Katie: I was going to say some of these ideas I’ll throw at you I don’t think… We’ve done a lot of various nutrient IV’s. I think the weirdest one I’ve pushed you to try is an NAD, which you can talk about your experience with that if you want, and then I’ll explain the science of it.
Seth: I can’t even pronounce what it stands for. So, you might have to say what NAD stands for because I…yeah.
Katie: Talk about your theory of it and then I’ll explain.
Sean: Well, I mean, it’s basically, you’re getting an IV and it’s some type of supplementation that is going through your entire body and your veins. And depending on the rate of flow that it’s going through, it kind of feels like you’re having a heart attack. You’re like, you feel pressure in your chest and you just kinda double over and you just don’t feel good at all. Afterwards, you feel more energized and really good. And basically, it’s supposed to reverse-age you. So you’re supposed to…instead of your age going up based on whatever those factors are, they’re going down because of it. So, it’s kind of like the anti-aging drug or supplement or whatever you want to call it.
Katie: Okay. And so a little bit about the science of that, because it definitely does not sound fun and it definitely isn’t fun at all. NAD stands for, nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide, which is essentially, it’s a coenzyme. So there’s two forms, there’s NAD plus and NADH.
Seth: Speak English.
Katie: Basically, it’s an electron transfer. So, as the electrons go back and forth between these two forms, it benefits your body. And essentially, the quicker you get it into your body, the more beneficial it is. Extremely miserable going in. It takes, if you don’t want to be horribly miserable, it takes four to six hours probably, is that what’d you say, to get an IV in?
Seth: Yeah, I think the first day that…because I did it for three days straight, the first day it was like six hours, second day was about five hours and the third day was about a three and a half hours.
Katie: Yeah. And so, you do see noticeable lab changes and there’s some clinical uses for anti-aging and also for certain very specific disease states that you would want to use a doctor’s care with doing. So, we tried this partially for research and then partially we were targeting some specific things we were trying to work through. It definitely is not fun. Like you said, it kind of feels like a general huge feeling of just malaise. I would compare it to like if you have the flu and a hangover at the same time, when you do it slowly. When you started it quickly, so you can kind of control the flow at which it’s going into you, when you turn it up, the first time I was like, “I think I can handle it. I’ve had six kids, whatever.” I turned it all the way up and immediately like felt my whole chest tighten and kind of like, just crawled into the fetal position.
And the doctor who’s a friend of ours looked at me and he said, “Yep. If you ever feel like that and you are not doing an NAD IV, go to the ER, you’re having a heart attack.” That’s what it feels like. So, it’s very not fun experience. I have one time, and I doubt I will ever do it again, done it as a push IV, which means they pretty much just push it, at a really high concentration, directly into your vein. So, instead of doing IV, they just push it in and then you get all of that very quickly within about 20 minutes. But the downside is you can’t get away from it. So, once it’s in your veins, you’re just going to have to ride it out. And short of labor, that’s one of the less comfortable times I’ve had in my life. Kind of just like curl into the fetal position and had to breath and tap my way through that. Don’t recommend it.
Seth: I said, “Screw that. I’m not trying that, that’s awful. No way.”
Katie: But one of those definitely weird ones, would not recommend everybody, definitely recommend a doctor if you’re going to try that one. I think one you’ve done that I have not done is ketamine. One of the few things that I have not tried that you have. Do you want to speak to that?
Seth: Yeah. So I did a round of therapeutic ketamine for like anxiety/depression last year. And that was very, very interesting. It’s pretty much complete ego dissolution where… It’s intravenous as well and it lasts for about an hour. And basically, you know, you kind of close your eyes and you go in. It’s something of a psychedelic, I guess, if you will. You kind of feel like you’re on a roller coaster and you’re seeing colors and shapes and all kinds of things, and you kind of are disconnecting from the ego. And you’re not getting so caught up in your own head and stuff. And I think it did have some very positive benefits. It’s hard to really explain it, to put it into words, very different, but the studies behind it, as far as for anxiety, for depression, for PTSD, for a lot of things like that are incredible coming out. And most states have different centers where you can go and get that type of therapy conducted. That was definitely a very interesting one, for sure.
Katie: Yeah. And the clinical data is really fascinating on that, for like you said, anxiety, depression. I think we’re going to see studies on that as well in the next few years. But to echo what you said, it’s definitely better done with a practitioner/doctor who knows what they’re doing. This is not…it can be abused and can be very dangerous if abused. So, you have to want to do that with someone who knows what they’re doing. I’m trying to think of other weird things we’ve tried. Another one that we did as a family was peak brain. We did a podcast with Andrew Hill. I’ll make sure that’s linked in the show notes where they do acute EEG of your brain. So, they basically map your brain activity and can see different areas light up, whether you’re high delta or beta, or theta, what kind of waves are firing where, and if you are balanced on both sides of your brain. That was a pretty fascinating one. I learned actually, ironically through that test that I am technically ADHD.
Seth: And I’m not somehow, which is really weird.
Katie: But I remember him going, “So has your ADHD ever impacted your life?” “I guess not, because that’s the first time I’ve heard about it.” But yeah, I had even the older kids all do that one as well. What did you think of that one? I thought it was fascinating information.
Seth: Yeah. I thought it was pretty cool because they basically connect your head to these diodes which is run into a computer. And so, you’re seeing it, the scan on the screen. And then based on what the scan shows you and if there’s injury via concussion or head trauma or any number of things or whatever the case may be. Then you play these games and you’re using your head to…your mind, to control the games so you basically have to think through it. And it helps to rewire the brain to an extent. And the way that works, the example that Dr. Hill gave was that, over time, your brain develops ruts. So, think if you’re driving a car down a dirt path and it develops ruts, so it’s hard to get out of those ruts because they’re so ingrained in there.
And if the ground is soft or wet, you know, you get out, you’re just going back, sliding back into the ruts. So, what this does is it basically smooths out those ruts and enables you to create a new path. So, that’s really fascinating. And that’s something that we need to go back and do more of because they have like a system that you can do at home and everything. They have a couple of different centers as well. But that was really cool, I really enjoyed seeing that technology.
Katie: Yeah. And the science there being that they’re using neurofeedback essentially instant, positive feedback from the brain when it does what it wants to do. So if you have too high of certain kinds of brainwaves, you can create a scenario through this feedback, both audio and visual that you’re seeing, where your brain thinks it’s playing a video game. When it does what it’s supposed to do, it gets…the ship flies or the music plays or whatever it is. And the brain is so amazing and adaptable that almost instantaneously, it starts to learn what it’s supposed to do. And then the computer algorithm adapts just outside of your range of ability. So, you’re always just striving, which for me, was very frustrating because you can never actually win or beat the game, but it’s constantly just very rapidly training your brain. And there are some amazing clinical applications for traumatic brain injuries or people who have very specific things that they’re trying to work through.
And again, I’ll link to that in the show notes. But since we just talked about some of the more extreme things we’ve tried in the name of health, I want to also just highlight the fact that some of this is actually our job kind of now, that this is part of the things that we have to do for a living and not all of them are necessary or important to live healthy by any means.
Seth: For sure.
Katie: So, I think before we move on to the next question, I also just want to say, at the end of the day, if anything, over the last few years, I think you would probably agree with me on this. The really important stuff is almost always the really inexpensive or free stuff or things you always have to eat anyway. You make changes to your diet, that makes still the biggest difference.
It just may take a lot of experimentation to really dial in what that is, but you can do it even on a tight budget with seasonal produce or organic, frozen vegetables or whatever it may be. And the end of the day, I think it’s the sleep and sunlight and food, things that are part of all of our daily lives that make the biggest difference. And if you have very specific health issues, that’s when you can look into these other more extreme things. But I think you and I both found that over this last, well, I guess now 14 years of research is that it’s the consistent, healthy things, small things that you have to do every day that make the big difference in the long run.
Seth: Oh yeah, for sure. And I think…didn’t you even come up with an acronym at one time for like the whole system of like those basic core things?
Katie: Yeah, I think it was reset. And it had to do with like real food and exercise and sunlight. I have to go back and look at what they all were.
Seth: It’s probably been simplified since then. But yeah, totally agree. I mean…and you know, like the sleep side, that’s something I’m still trying to work on to improve my sleep and, you know… Like I track it every day using the Oura Ring, and like my weight and all of that stuff. And so, we have like this cool scale that tracks the weight and it connects to my phone and stuff so I can see all that. And like I’m fascinated by the data, probably not quite as much as you, but I like to see those patterns and trends. And I think that’s really interesting. And there’s a lot of opportunity just in health, in the future, as far as whether…that individualized side, but creating like a dashboard where you can get all these different health metrics. What’s…
Katie: I use Heads Up Health for that. I an link to that as well.
Seth: Yea, yea.
Katie: I use it to track both of our lab results, sleep stuff. We test our fasting glucose occasionally. It pulls in metrics from a lot of different thing. And we both use an Oura Ring.
Seth: And you can manually add those things in too, whether that’s, you know, you’re getting your food sensitivity test from Everlywell, you know, your genetics from Nutrition Genome, some of those. That’s always been pretty cool to see.
Katie: Yeah. And again, just to highlight, like, I don’t think all those things are necessary. I think they’re really helpful tools, but… I had Hashimoto’s and then I almost died when our third was born. We were both overcoming some relatively serious things. You almost died with your appendix. Most people, I feel like can 80/20 it and get many of these same results just like with diet, going outside in the morning within 30 minutes of waking up, getting enough sleep and having good relationships. I feel like if you get those things dialed in or you should at least get those things dialed in before you start really delving into the more complicated stuff, really start with those…
Seth: Well, the good relationships can be the toughest part.
Katie: Truly. I think community relationships are the one that are a little life long journey for sure.
Seth: Did you want to talk about some of our favorites of the crazy health things we’ve done?
Katie: Yeah. Do you have any favorites? Go ahead.
Seth: Well, I’d say the sauna and the cold plunge for sure. Those would be two of mine, two of my favorite. Just, you know, getting so…because we have a barrel sauna and that’s fantastic. So, we’re at five days a week, probably, depending on what’s going on or whatever, and then a cold plunge as well. And we’re in that probably three days a week or something, and just alternating between the hot and the cold. I would say that’s been a couple of my favorites.
Katie: I would definitely agree. And actually, this is a probably good time. I haven’t shared this data yet. So, there’s separate benefits from hot and cold and from contrast therapy with just the two of them together alternating on the same day. And so, we alternate those. We’ll do some days with just hot, some days with hot and cold and fewer days with just cold. And you’ll sometimes do cold before bed on its own because that helps with deep sleep. But over the last couple of months, we did an actual experiment using our sauna with some friends of ours, where we lab tested before, and then at the end of this time period, where we followed some of the clinical data that you see in studies. Because there’s all this…when they can kind of did a meta-analysis of the sauna studies that it appears that the most benefit happens with 4 to 7 times per week at a temperature of about 170 degrees for at least 20 to 30 minutes.
So, we standardized that, did 30 minutes minimum. We actually have 45 minutes but we did 30 minutes at 170 degrees, lab testing, a whole of factors before and after. And what we found, even at the end of a very short study, because we know the research says sauna improves longevity, it reduces all-cause mortality, drastically reduces your risk of cardiovascular disease, stroke, dementia, etc. Even within a short period of time of just over a month, we saw in all of us who did the sauna thing, improvement in immune factors, which is a big deal right now, reduction in inflammation factors like C reactive protein. And even in some of these people that were testing were athletes already in extremely good shape. So, to be able to see changes that quickly from sauna use, to me, it’s one of those things, if it was a pill I think everybody would take it. And I know we both have become big, big fans of sauna. I would agree with you. So, I think one of our favorites.
Seth: Yeah, for sure.
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Katie: So, to switch gears a little bit, we also got a lot of questions about working together as team, what role you play in the business and how to navigate that. I think more and more people are working together, especially as things go more virtual right now. So, they’re asking how we navigate that. So, to start off, talk about what you do in both the businesses.
Seth: Yeah. So, for Wellness Mama, you know, I’ve handled the tech side since the beginning. I built the first five websites, the first five blog designs and everything before outsourcing that and just overseeing it, played more of the project manager side of it. But also, I was so deeply involved in the tech side for so long, and I’m still involved in that day to day, but realizing that I’m not a great coder or a great designer, but I can speak that language. So, overseeing it and other people can do it a lot better than me. So, handling all the tech side, whether there’s something wrong on the site, whether links aren’t working correctly or the site is down or anything that has to do with the technical side. Also the marketing, whether it’s surrounding the content strategy and researching what topics we should cover or write about based on whether that’s reader, listener feedback, whether that’s trends, anything that has to do with the marketing, kind of social media strategy and all that.
So, one thing we didn’t talk about before was I ran a boutique digital marketing agency after I left my last real job. And I was taking on paying clients, doing website design and social media and search engine optimization and everything in digital marketing. And Wellness Mama was the testing ground that I used for these paying clients, because it wasn’t making any money. It wasn’t a business. It was just a little hobby where you’re writing about health for, you know, for the first, what, five, six years or something that it was around. And so, because of that, it was the testing ground and a lot of those tests that I was trying worked really well. And they were all for the paying clients. And then I got really burnt out. This was around 2014, 2015, got really burnt out on just in client services and had a rush of bad clients where, either, you know, they wouldn’t pay or had to fire them or, you know, just different things like that. And I’m like, there’s a lot of potential with Wellness Mama, it can help a lot of people, it’s growing really well. Why am I focusing so much time on all these other little sites that I’m helping build-out or handling for these clients? I need to go all in or a lot more in on the Wellness Mama side of things and focus on that because that’s…it’s a better option for our family and it can help a lot more people.
And so, I did and just focused more on that and really optimized it a lot better, created a lot more content and just helps everything with all of that. And so, we’ve always had duties that have been completely split up. You know, you’ve always handled the content and anything that has to do with that, and I’ve always handled the technical and the marketing side of things on the Wellness Mama side. I mean, maybe you can add a little more context to that, Katie.
Katie: Yeah. I think that’s really accurate. On the Wellness Mama side I think we both had to learn as we’ve grown Wellnesse, the new site of that, because we’ve both taken on those roles in the new company as well. But then there’s all these new things associated with that, that we’ve never had to navigate. I’ve always formulated for Wellness Mama but I’ve never had to formulate on the chemistry side for actual products that we’re going to market. So, I’ve had to learn that, you’ve had to learn like the paid media side, like new worlds that we haven’t had to exist in before.
Seth: Yeah. I think for Wellnesse, because, you know, co-founding a company, a physical product company that is very different than just creating educational material, like a content site that is education and information, very different when you’re actually creating and working with manufacturers to create physical products and learning a whole new software platform, going from WordPress on the Wellness Mama side to Shopify on the Wellnesse side. And so, and I’ve handled the technical side of that as well. And overseeing like the agency that we’ve used to build out the site and dealing with paid media and paid social and things that, you know, we’ve never done before on Wellness Mama. And just learning all of that. And just separating out the duties so that we’re not stepping on each other’s toes and staying in our own silos, those things that we’re good at.
You know, we talked about earlier as far as relationships and realizing that we compliment each other’s skillsets. And I think in business that’s been one thing that’s been really good as well because those things that you’re good at, I’m not necessarily the best at and vice versa. I’ve always said that I’m a much better editor than a writer. And for Wellness Mama, you know, for the first, what, eight, nine years I edited every post that you ever wrote, you know, you would write and put it out. It was great content, but then, you know, you weren’t necessarily so worried about some of the grammatical things.
Katie: No, I was a journalism major, but it’s also very hard to edit yourself. Those mistakes will make you like almost read through them and don’t see them.
Seth: Yeah. So, I think we’ve complemented each other very, very well over the years. Just in business as well as in life and raising kids and all of that.
Katie: Yeah. I think the silos are actually really important for that. Especially maybe a lot of couples who are having to navigate this, when we both switched to working on these businesses full time you were home all the time. And I know I had an adjustment with this because I was used to you at first, when we were first married, going away to an office every day. And then because you don’t like any kind of messes or disorder, we had this…well, you didn’t know this. We had this rhythm where you would go to work, I would deal with the kids and chaos all day. And then before you came home, the house would be clean, food was made, I would have like undone all the messes of the day. So, then when you were home all day, you were like, “Why is everything always just constantly a mess any more?”
And I was like, “Things had always been like that. I just had time to clean it up every day before you came home.” We had to learn how to navigate that. You had to get used to the constant noise of the kids. And I think we also had to learn, because we were together 24/7, how to make sure we gave each other time away from the kids and time apart, and also really learn to be intentional about which responsibilities we each had in the business, that we weren’t stepping on each other’s toes and we weren’t duplicating work. And so, it became these things are your silos that you’re in charge of, these are mine that I’m in charge of. Within our own realms, we have veto ability. And so, like within the content realm, I’m the final call, and on the tech platform, you’re the final call. And that way, we could speed up the decision-making process and everything didn’t have to be like a board meeting. And also, we could like learn to navigate those different roles when we were together all the time.
Seth: And we’d also communicate with each other about those. And I think this is one of the differences in how…our personalities and how we work together, no matter what is. I work much better in a collaborative environment, bouncing ideas off. And even if I already know what I think we should do, I want to get some outside feedback also and how you’d rather just work by yourself, just like alone, just head down and just go deep in whether it’s your writing or researching or whatever, and not deal with anyone else. And that’s completely foreign to me.
Katie: So we kind of had to learn or like I would have set aside times to be collaborative with you and let you bounce ideas off. And you had to learn there were some times when you would just not talk to me so I could get work done. And we’ve kind of had to figure out that rhythm too.
Seth: Yeah. I mean, like, even now, like we’ll set a day aside where you’ll just go to a coffee shop and write or just plan or outline or research or whatever that is, just so you’re away from the noise and the kids and all of that stuff. And I’ll manage that.
Katie: Yeah. Somebody also asked, kind of along these lines, does he like to hear all your exciting, new research about whatever topic you’re researching? And I want to take this one and then hear if you think I’m right.
Seth: I can’t take this?
Katie: Well, I want to hear you first or…
Seth: Go ahead.
Katie: I was going to say I don’t think you’d actually like hearing the super deep science side because I can actually put you to sleep. If you’re having trouble sleeping, I keep rambling on about studies and you’ll fall asleep, but it’s really helpful to me because I feel like you’re a good barometer and like a good representation of how other people need to hear… Because I get so deep in the science and I think everyone wants to talk about science too.
Seth: Not true.
Katie: So, if I can explain it to you in a way that is interesting to you and get you excited about it, that means I’ve probably gotten to a point where I can write about it because then it’ll hopefully be exciting to other people as well. But I’m curious your take, are you excited to hear my new science?
Seth: You know, I mean, I’ve never been that into science per se. I mean, I like the high-level overview. Give me the cliff notes version and tell me exactly like what this actually means. I don’t really care to dig way deep into the research and understand every little itty-bitty point that is being made. And that’s great that you do, but give me the condensed version, explain it to me in common speak so that I can understand it and get a high-level overview and maybe explain that to someone else if need be. But I don’t need to know every single little detail, but that’s just not where my interests lie. So, yeah. So I think I like hearing about it, but sometimes not quite as deep and nerdy as you like to get with it at times.
Katie: Yeah. I think that’s a good barometer for sure. And that also brings up the next question, which is, somebody asked, what do we most disagree about?
Seth: That is a good question.
Katie: I think I will say we butt heads in business sometimes, which is why figuring out those silos has been important because I feel like we now know like if it’s tech stuff, I’ll offer feedback if you want it, but I know that’s your realm and you know better than I know. And we’ve had to learn kind of how to navigate that and not step on each other’s toes, because we are both firstborns and we are both strong-willed. So, that’s been a little bit tough to navigate. When it comes to kids, I’m grateful we’re very much on the same page for a lot of that. I don’t feel like we have any massive disagreements when it comes to raising the kids. I would say one, is a small one comparatively, but you were raised in a very German, Italian household, and you were used to everything being almost like military clean at all times, and that’s kind of your baseline. And I very much am of the realm… Only growing up with one brother, I wanted to have a big family. And when we had a bunch of kids, I wanted to always be the place where all the kids would feel comfortable hanging out and bringing all their friends all the time, which is definitely the case right now. We usually have what, 12 to 15 kids in our house.
Katie: And that’s not me at all.
Seth: And you kind of go nuts with messes. So, that’s one of our more common disagreements is I’m very much like houses are made to be lived in, of course, you should do handstands against the wall and you’ll be like, “Hey, you’re messing up the paint.” So, we’ve had to figure out how to navigate things like that.
Seth: Yeah. I mean, I’ll be the first admit I’m super anal when it comes to being neat and orderly and having everything clean. I hate messes. Everything has it’s place and it should be in its place at all times. Why are there things on the floor? Why is this not put away? I mean, like I always want things to be neat and orderly. That’s how I was raised and I know you were kind of the opposite, like your family was not very neat, orderly, and still aren’t. And so, just a difference in how we were raised, and I realize there’s probably a happy balance and there somewhere. But yeah, I think the difference, like when I come home, I expect everything should be neat and orderly. You would want to make it neat because I like it neat.
So, as the counterpoint to that, I guess, is that when you travel, when you’re gone, I make sure that everything is spotless, so you don’t have to think about it. So that it’s perfectly neat. And so, you don’t have to worry about picking things up or cleaning things up because when I get home and things are messy, I can’t think about doing anything else except cleaning first, because that’s just how things should be like, you know, it’s just…I don’t know. It’s probably a little bit neurotic, I’ll admit it, but yeah, I mean, there’s probably a happy balance somewhere in the middle there. But yeah, I would definitely much prefer not so many people over all the time, not so many kids running around all the time, and just having things a little quieter and neater.
Katie: Yeah. So, that’s definitely one we disagree a lot on, we’re still working on, probably trying to find balance on. Another thing, they said you guys should talk about natural family planning. I don’t think this one needs to probably turn into a long discussion, but I know we can probably both offer some quick practical tips because we’ve used an NFP for our whole marriage and when to have kids and not to have kids for the last four years. And a couple…like we’ve definitely learned some lessons along the way, I feel like. And there’s so much technology now that makes it easier. I would say my most practical tip… Well, for anyone who’s not familiar, so natural family planning is the idea of tracking one’s cycle and fertility signs to be able to know when you’re fertile and when you’re not fertile. And there’s now some great resources for that. So, there’s an app called My Flow that I have on my phone, and you now have on your phone. And the beauty of that is you can know all of those things too without having to ask me every single day.
Seth: When you remember to update it.
Katie: I do remember to update it. It’s accurate. So, you’re pretty much aware when I’m fertile and when I’m not. And I think that one actually sends the guy emails too…
Seth: Used to, it has been kind of inconsistent. I haven’t gotten an email about it in a long time, but I will get a push notification, but I’ve noticed that it’s not perfectly accurate. But again, I think it has something to do with when it’s synched and how often you sync it up, I think.
Katie: Well, and the cool thing about that one as well is it kind of tells you, like you’re in this phase of your cycle. So, here’s some tips for what kind of workouts are actually going to be most beneficial for you based on your hormones, make sure to get enough of these nutrients. So, there’s some really practical applications beyond just the fertility side as well. And I’ve written about NFP quite a few times in different posts. So, I’ll make sure to include those in the show notes as well for anyone who wants to go into more detail. But I do feel like that has taken some of the stress out of NFP for us, wouldn’t you say? Like, you don’t have to ask me every day, I don’t have to get annoyed with you asking me every day.
Seth: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I mean, that’s, you know, never that much fun dealing with it, when you can and cannot get intimate based on that. I mean, and most contraception, and pretty much all contraception healthwise is terrible for you, and that’s one of the things that we’ve realized or it’s not as good. So, yeah, so you’ve got that side of it too. But yeah, so it’s a balancing act trying to find what to do there.
Katie: We were also asked, what is our philosophy on raising children? How are we similar in this and how do we differ? I’ll link to some posts because I know we’ve written about this before. But if you want to speak to just kind of some of our core ones about independence and responsibility and giving them freedom.
Seth: Yeah. I think we’ve always pretty much been on the same page when it comes to raising kids and how we want to raise them. And that goes down to teaching them all those skills that they’re going to need to know as an adult, and preparing them for life as an adult, which we don’t know what that’s going to look like because the world is changing so fast and technology is evolving so quickly. But basically, teaching them how to think critically, not what to think, but how to think, how to evaluate any idea, any concept on its own merit and looking at the pros and cons, playing devil’s advocate for it and just looking at all the different sides of a subject matter. Also, thinking creatively and being creative. So, whether that’s art, whether that’s music, and playing an instrument or taking a drawing or painting class, also athletically. Because getting the body moving and being active and whether that’s playing a team sport or an individual sport…like everybody used to take traditional Japanese jujitsu, and that was great.
Now, all the kids are doing pole vaulting and that’s been really good. Some of the boys have played baseball. You know, so just trying to get involved in as many different activities like that, within reason, of course, you know, when you’re running around constantly non-stop and everything is about the next kid’s activity that’s obviously…has consequences too and isn’t that balanced. But just encouraging the kids to be active and mobile and not being on electronics, limiting the amount of time they’re on technology, whether that’s an iPad or video games or TV, or what have you. And so, I think those are kind of the core things, as far as creative thinking, critical thinking and being active, and just learning to appreciate athletic sports, movement, all that sort of thing.
Katie: Yeah, definitely agree. Like I said, I’ve talked about this a little bit, or at least the homeschool side I’ve talked about more, but I’m grateful we are on the same page. I don’t think we have any really big disagreements when it comes to the kids, and I know some couples do, so I’m grateful that we’re on the same page for those things.
Seth: Yeah. I mean, there’s, you know, there’s always like minimal things here or there, like sometimes… I’d say the only thing that we would possibly disagree with some is you tend to be a little bit more free with them as far as letting them just run around and do more things that I would necessarily. And not even to a huge extent, but yeah just… And I’m not a helicopter parent at all, but I would say that you are even less of that than me.
Katie: Yeah. That’s really an accurate assessment. But I still feel like we’re pretty close when it comes to those things. I cannot believe we’ve already flown through an entire hour. There might be a round two based on if we get followup questions, I suspect that we will, but I’m going to throw a couple of the ending questions that I always throw at podcast guest at you. The first being, if there’s a book or a number of books that have had a dramatic impact on your life and if so, what they are and why?
Seth: Categorically, doesn’t matter? Okay. So, I guess just a personal, like self-help book “Man’s Search for Meaning” by Viktor Frankl. I read that in college and that’s always been a great book. I’ll usually reread it every couple of years. Business book, a couple. When I was in high school, I read “Rich Dad, Poor Dad” by Robert Kiyosaki. And that was a great one, just to kind of get me thinking outside the box monetarily. And let’s see, what would a third one be? Do I need a third one?
Katie: You don’t need a third one, two is good.
Seth: Okay, we’ll go with those two.
Katie: I will say you just read one that you suggested to me to read. It may not have been one of the more impactful ones of your life, but that you enjoyed, which was “Let Them Go Surfing.” Which is from the founder of Patagonia. You enjoyed that one.
Seth: Yeah. That was a great book, just as far as… That’s by Yvon Chouinard, who’s the founder of Patagonia. And that was just a good business book about kind of his memoir about creating the company and being so all in on creating amazing products, but also doing the right thing for the environment. I feel like that was a great book, just kind of getting me all in on as far as what we’re doing with Wellnesse. And I always have been, but even more so.
Katie: And then lastly, I feel like you know the audience very well from a tech perspective, you know their demographics and their data and the roundup of where the traffic comes from. But if on a maybe like personal level, relationship level, parenting level, whatever it may be, if there’s any parting advice you want to leave with the listeners today, what it would be and why?
Seth: I guess, you know, we’ve covered so many different topics over the years on Wellness Mama based on things that you were interested in, based on reader questions or feedback. So, if you have a health question you have, whether it’s mindset or parenting or things like that, there is such a vast resource on the website. You know, we’re close to 2,000 blog posts and several hundred podcast episodes. You know, just searching on wellnessmama.com you’re going to find probably an answer to a question as far as, you know, your perspective on it, Katie. And not to say that it’s the end all be all, definitely isn’t, but we do our very best just to put out accurate information that is medically reviewed and that is as accurate as it possibly can be. And we’re always updating that content to what the latest science, what the latest info and research. And in the recommendations that we make, we try to use a three-tiered approach of good, better, and best based…whether that’s based on the quality of a product or service or based on the price point or things like that.
And realizing that everyone is a different place, whether that is on their health journey, financially, location, social-economically etc, and just trying to be as helpful as we can to everyone. Because, you know, without someone caring and being interested in these, then Wellness Mama wouldn’t be amazing community that it is.
Katie: I love that. That’s a perfect place to wrap up. And this has been a fun conversation. Hopefully, it’s been helpful to you guys listening. And definitely by no means are we obviously a perfect couple. We have our own share of things that we navigate, but I’m grateful that we got to spend time with you guys today. Thanks honey for taking the time to be here.
Seth: Good times.
Katie: And thanks, of course, to all of you guys for listening. I’m so grateful that you chose to spend time with us today, and your time is one of your most valuable resources. And it’s always an honor that you spend it here. I hope that you will join me again on the next episode of “The Wellness Mama” podcast.
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