Staying Calm During Stressful Times With Dr. Rabin


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In this event, which is still very timely, we focus on some really relevant topics such as dealing with feelings of stress, loneliness, isolation, overwhelmed, uncertainty, such as visiting our children with ADD and ADHD. And now for many of us who are serving as teachers for our children in these extraordinary times, as well as things like PTSD, depression, anxiety and many other topics. Because I’m here with Dr. David Robin, a board certified psychologist, a translator neuroscientist, an inventor, and an entrepreneur who specializes in the treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder, depression, anxiety, and substance abuse disorders, and Who is currently researching a device called Apollo, specifically for ADD and ADHD. Dr. Robin developed Apollo, a breakthrough clothing that uses the neuroscience of communication and vibration to deal with the negative effects of stress. During his research at the University of Pittsburgh, he developed it. And it’s a tool that I personally use and really love and feel the difference. And they’re in the middle of studying like I said kids with ADD and ADHD. This is truly an incredible technology.

Dr. Robin is also collaborating with colleagues at the University of Southern California, Mount, Yale, to organize the world’s largest controlled study of cycladic medicine. Sina and MAPS, the Multidisciplinary Association of Cyclic Studies that determine the dramatic treatment modalities observed after cycladic assisted psychotherapy in the treatment-resistant mental illness. He is one of the most intelligent and incredible experts I have ever talked to on these topics, and he is not disappointed in this event. We talk deeply about a lot of these topics, and I think you’ll really enjoy it as much as I enjoy recording it. So without further ado, let’s join Dr. David Robin.

Dr. Robin, welcome. Thank you again for coming to the podcast.

Dr. Robin: Katie, thank you so much for keeping me. It’s as happy as ever.

Katie: Well, I’m excited to talk to you again. I am a big fan of your work. And our first episode got a great response. And I think we can add a lot more to this second installment. I think, to begin with, obviously we are all learning in a way that there are still a lot of new uncertainties to run into and things we didn’t have to deal with a few months ago. And so, I guess people are more stressed and uncertain than usual. And similarly, I’d like it to start اور and we’ll start something there and talk about some of the tumultuous times and ways in which we can move this tension forward.

Dr. Robin: I think this is a good place to start. I think we’re down, you know, especially on a daily basis, the amount of stress at the moment is different from what we used to be, but there’s still a lot of pressure. And, you know, I think you’re really hitting that, one of the biggest pressures for us is being in a state of uncertainty. And the interesting thing about it is that I talk to my clients all the time and they also have my own personal journey, not just learning to do more time to overcome things that are completely But uncertainty and configuration is out of my hands because what we realized from this theory is how anxiety management and mental health are taught and as a psychologist and psychologist and as a neuroscientist. Since, we have studied it a lot.

And what we’re seeing is that the central, one of the most important things is to always remember the anxiety, and the anxiety to be like these negative interfering thoughts, the constant anxiety, being overwhelmed and restless all the time, Which, of course, made the video an overnight sensation. You know, the focus is on the energy and the resources, the focus of our attention. We spend most of our time thinking about things we can’t control, thinking about things we can control. And finally, most of our attention is spent on thinking about things we can control, like making ourselves healthy like our breath, you know, your loved ones and things of this nature. Have meaningful interactions with All of these things help us feel less anxious and more positive at the level of mood and also improve our energy and our ability to sleep, and you know that such things happen in other parts of our lives as well. There are what we call bodies. Just start getting better because we are not spending time thinking about all the things that are in our hands.

And so, this is one of the most important things I think we can all use at this time, including ourselves. And the thing that I have to remind myself of on a daily basis, especially when things get very busy but over time as we practice techniques like learning to focus, Which is really important, you know, our attention is something that only certain things deserve our attention. And when we spend our attention prioritizing things that really deserve it, like self-healing techniques, self-breathing, you know, what we put into our bodies, how we exercise. You know, how we heal ourselves, all the things we choose to spend precious, meaningful time with, all of these things that make our lives really positive. It helps me to feel happy and fulfilling even our most anxious. Heavy times

Katie: That makes sense. And I know, obviously you’ll know this much better than I do, but from what I’ve read in books and various studies, a couple of difficult things to fight in the context of mental stress are uncertain. There are situations and loneliness. Like loneliness is really a big stressor that I’ve read about. In fact, I’ve heard more about the physical effects of smoking than the physical effects of smoking. And as such, there are a lot of people who are more isolated than usual and certainly go through more uncertainties than usual. Is there any strategy we can use from home that can help with her physical and mental problems?

Dr. Robin: Absolutely. I’m glad you raised it because I think that’s something we don’t often talk about. And I think there’s a fundamental difference between loneliness in the first place and loneliness in the first place. And the way we describe being alone is where most of us are. Most of us are physically alone. You know, we don’t necessarily have to, when we are isolated and don’t love the people around us or our family and friends; we don’t have those people physically present, so we ‘ You know your environment by definition or by our description alone. But we are not necessarily alone. And I think loneliness starts to take on a different meaning or the feeling of being like we are, you know, not necessarily love or the kind of love we need. Is.

And not only do we not have it now, but we cannot have it in the future and we do not know when we will get it. And I think it’s important to understand the difference between being lonely and feeling lonely or being lonely or being lonely because being lonely is something that’s really very powerful for us like We fix ourselves. Often, it is very difficult for us to start changing our routines. And as we mentioned earlier and we talked about in the last podcast what we did together, you know, some of these self-healing techniques like, you know. , Positive; you know, everyone talks about diet and exercise, which is obviously very important, but there are other things that are really important that we don’t talk about coffee.

Like self-awareness, peeking inside, being thankful, being able to breathe, being thankful for being able to control the way we think about ourselves and our bodies. Being able to feel our heartbeat, you know, be able to be progressive, take time to relax progressive muscles to massage yourself, right? Some parts of the body are like putting pressure on our chest and holding it with one hand or putting pressure inside the outside of the ear. All of these things are very gentle ways that can quickly improve the body’s sense of well-being, which can help to create a sense of safety and rehabilitation response. And so, I think, you know, the really important thing is that if we always start to see loneliness as equal to loneliness, we lose a lot of opportunities.

Because of this loneliness, we begin to work without the influence of other people. And often changing ourselves and changing our behavior, learning to adapt, learning new techniques, learning new skills when we are actually more than when we are with others. And so, being alone can actually be seen as a challenge to overcome, and when we overcome that challenge, as we are all capable of doing, we are all adapters. We are incredibly adaptive creatures and that is what makes us human. And that’s why we’re at the top of the earth’s food chain, if you will. And so effectively, we can overcome loneliness as a challenge, then, when we start doing things that help us feel better when we’re alone, we We begin to realize that we are growing out of this experience rather than the experience of bringing us down or reducing us, or in fact this challenge forces us to become stronger and better versions of ourselves.

And so it is, and it is synonymous with what we are explicitly talking about in place of psychotherapy, but also in psychedelic medicine, psychiatric therapies, and lots of oriental and tribal medicine. Even in methods that have been used for thousands of years. Chronic Illness and Mental Health I would argue that loneliness is a problem, but loneliness can be what we rejected as the challenge of overcoming loneliness. And this challenge allows us all to start working on ourselves in ways we never thought possible before. And again, these would mean that you have to spend for these processes. But if you want to go to apolloneuro.com and we have a lot of tips on how to work on your health and build flexibility when you are alone.

But there are many other people out there who have done it, and especially the amazing meditation techniques and amazing breathing techniques, which are really, really helpful. I think the most, thanks, which is one of the most difficult and powerful techniques, if you have never done it, it is also the most important. And by practicing loneliness, with gratitude for being alone, it automatically changes the way we look at being alone. And what do we start with being alone? And we separate it from our identity, and that suddenly leads us to feel like a better hell.

Katie: I’m glad you thanked me because I think, you know, that’s something that’s been talked about in a lot of support circles. You know, podcasts, we hear a lot about it. It’s been a big topic in books lately and I think it’s still discounted because people think it doesn’t matter or something like, “Yeah, I’m grateful and There should be hope, but I really need to fix it. ” And they don’t realize how deep it is to slowly change your mindset toward gratitude. And as such, I’m sure there are studies out there, and you can talk about it better than I do, but that’s really how it manifests itself in psychological changes over time. Is there any other practical strategy you can give to make this shift? Because I know it can be overwhelming. If you’re not in this place, the idea of ​​trying to get to the place of thanksgiving certainly feels like a difficult battle.

Dr. Robin: Yes. So, I think there are a lot of techniques involved. My favorite techniques are actually; and I think we’ve talked about that before. There are two sets of techniques. I don’t want to be more complicated than that, but these are all kinds of thinking and emotional techniques. And I really like it because I use them with everyone else and they are incredibly effective. These are very old techniques that go completely into Eastern medicine that have been used for thousands of years. And I wonder why they have put the test of time together because they work so well and they are free. And so I think thanks are the biggest basis of all these techniques because kindness is the way we start looking at a situation or experience from a “why” point of view, or, “God,” Please make it. Attitude, stop, “,” Well, if I’m grateful for this experience, is it possible for me to work positively or constructively along its development lines? “

And that’s why Thanksgiving is so kind. One thing I think is most helpful to think about with gratitude is anger. When we get angry, we often think of anger as a very destructive, negative emotion. But anger is just a sign that something is closed in our environment or something is closed inside us that needs to be acted upon. This is a hint. تمام جذبات مختلف طریقوں سے اشارے ہیں۔ خوشی کے ل grateful شکر گزار ہونا اس سے کہیں زیادہ آسان ہے کہ غم اور غصے پر شکر گزار ہونا۔ مسئلہ یہ ہے کہ جب ہم غصے اور افسردگی جیسی چیزوں کے ل grat حقیقت کا اظہار کرنے کی بجائے غصے اور افسردگی پر قابو پائیں اور اس بات کا پتہ لگائیں کہ اس کا ماخذ کیا ہے ، کیا ہوتا ہے ہم اکثر اوقات اس غصے یا غم کو اپنے اندر ہی اندر پھیر دیتے ہیں اور پھر ہم بہت سارے تناؤ کو محسوس کرنا شروع کردیتے ہیں ، جو آپ جانتے ہو ، ناراضگی ، افسردگی ، نیند میں خلل ، ان سب چیزوں کی طرح غصے اور افسردگی کا سہارا لیتے ہو۔

اور اس طرح ، آپ جانتے ہو ، لمحہ بہ لمحہ کی بنیاد پر اظہار تشکر کرنا شروع کیا جتنا ہم واقعی کر سکتے ہیں ، جب ہم بستر پر جاگتے لمحے سے ، جس میں ہم سوتے ہیں ، جو اتنا ہی آسان ہوسکتا ہے جیسے پہلی چیز صبح ، شکریہ تحریر کریں ، اور پھر صرف ان چیزوں کے بارے میں سوچنے کی کوشش کریں جن کے لئے آپ ان کے مشکور ہوں ، یہاں تک کہ اگر یہ صرف جاگنے کے لئے شکر گزار ہوں یا سانس لینے کے قابل ہونے پر شکر گزار ہوں۔ ناشتہ کھانے کے قابل ہونے پر ان میں سے کوئی بھی شکر گزار ہے ، ان میں سے کوئی بھی چیز شروع کرنے کے لاجواب طریقے ہیں۔ اور پھر وہی جو آپ سونے سے پہلے اور آخر کار وہ خودکار ہوجاتا ہے۔ میرے خیال میں اس کی اہمیت کیوں ہے کیوں کہ تشکر خود پر اعتماد کی اس بنیاد کی تشکیل کرتا ہے جس کی حمایت ان چار اصولوں کے ذریعہ کی جاتی ہے جسے چار ستون کہتے ہیں۔ اور یہ وہی پرانے پرنسپل ہیں جو ایک طویل عرصے سے مقیم ہیں۔

اور اسی طرح ، اس کا آغاز تشکر سے ہوتا ہے۔ اور پھر شکرگزار معافی کی طرف جاتا ہے ، جو واقعتا self خود معافی پر مرکوز ہے ، اپنے آپ کو اپنی غلطیوں کے لئے معاف کرنا ، یہ جان کر کہ ہم سب غلطیاں کرتے ہیں۔ زمین پر ایک بھی انسان ایسا نہیں ہے جس نے غلطیاں نہیں کیں۔ اور یہ کہ جب ہم اس کو سمجھنے لگیں ، تب ہم ان غلطیوں کے ل ourselves خود کو معاف کرنے کے قابل ہوجائیں گے۔ یہ تسلیم کرنا کہ وہ ترقی کے مواقع ہیں۔ اور پھر اس کے بعد اگلا قدم شفقت ہے۔ اپنے آپ کے ساتھ ہمدردی سمجھنا اکثر مشکل ہوتا ہے۔ لیکن مجھے لگتا ہے کہ اس کے بارے میں ہمدردی کے طور پر سوچنے کا سب سے عام ، عمدہ طریقہ یہ ہے کہ اپنے لئے صبر اور دنیا کے لئے صبر جیسے چیزوں کو اپنی مرضی کے مطابق سامنے آنے دیں۔ جب ہم دنیا کو دیکھتے ہیں تو ہم اکثر سوچتے ہیں ، ہم خود کو دیکھتے ہیں اور کہتے ہیں ، “ہم یہاں کیوں نہیں ہیں؟ ہم یہاں ہیں لیکن ہم وہاں ہونا چاہتے ہیں۔ میں ابھی وہاں کیوں نہیں ہوسکتا؟ میں کیوں اس وقت سے آگے نہیں بڑھ رہا ہے جس وقت کی میں توقع کر رہا ہوں؟

اور اسی طرح ، وہ ہمیں اس عمل میں تیزی لانے پر مجبور کرتا ہے ، جو حقیقت میں ہمیں مزید غلطیاں کرنے کا باعث بنتا ہے۔ ناکامی سے بچنے کی کوشش کرنا ، ہم اس عمل میں تیزی لاتے ہیں ، ہم اور غلطیاں کرتے ہیں ، ہم چاہتے ہیں کہ چیزیں تیزی سے واقع ہوں۔ ہمدردی یہ ہے کہ چیزوں کو ان کے مطابق آنے کی اجازت دینے کا عمل اور صرف اس بات کی پوری کوشش کرنی کہ ہم غلطیاں کریں گے۔ چیزیں سامنے آئیں گی ، آپ جانتے ہیں ، اور ہم صرف یہ جاننے کی کوشش کر رہے ہیں کہ چیزیں سامنے آئیں گی اور چیزیں سامنے آئیں گی جس طرح ان کی مرضی ہوگی۔ اور پھر اس طرح کی تمام چیزیں ایک ساتھ آکر خود سے پیار کرنے کے عزم پر اختتام پذیر ہوتی ہیں۔ اور وقت گزرنے کے ساتھ ، جب ہم ان چار ستونوں پر عمل کرتے ہیں تو ، یہ خود پر اعتماد کی اساس کی تشکیل کرتا ہے جو ہمیں بہت ہی مشکل وقتوں پر قابو پانے کی اجازت دیتا ہے جیسے ہم ابھی ہیں۔

تنہائی یا تنہائی کے احساسات کی طرح ، مستقل غصے کے احساسات یا جو کچھ بھی ہوسکتا ہے وہ ہمیں پریشان کر رہا ہے۔ یہ چار مفت ٹولز ناقابل یقین ٹولز ہیں جو ہماری مدد کرتے ہیں… اور وہ ایک دوسرے کو سپورٹ کرتے ہیں اور اس پر بیک وقت عمل کیا جاسکتا ہے۔ انہیں خود مختار ہونے کی ضرورت نہیں ہے اور وہ اس کی مدد کے لئے مل کر کام کریں گے۔ اور مجھے لگتا ہے کہ باقی چار ، اور آنے والے بہت سے چوکے ہیں ، جو دلچسپ ہے۔ دوسرے چار ٹولز جو عمل کرنے کے بارے میں تھوڑا سا زیادہ واضح ہیں انھیں چار معاہدوں کا نام دیا جاتا ہے ، جو چار معاہدے ہیں جو ہم اپنے ساتھ کرتے ہوئے ایک ایسی زندگی کو یقینی بناتے ہیں جو نشوونما اور شفا کے ساتھ منسلک ہے۔ اور چار معاہدے ہمیشہ آپ کی پوری کوشش کرتے ہیں ، جس کے بارے میں ہم نے ابھی بات کی ہے۔ ذاتی طور پر کچھ بھی نہ لیں۔ توقعات نہ کریں اور ہمیشہ اپنے کلام پر صادق رہیں۔

اور یہ چیزیں کبھی کبھی مشکل ہوتی ہیں۔ ہم سب جانتے ہیں کہ ہم ان میں سے کچھ میں اچھ’ے ہیں اور دوسروں پر اتنے اچھے نہیں ہیں۔ لیکن یہ ان رہنما اصولوں کی حیثیت رکھتے ہیں کہ جب آپ جان بوجھ کر اپنے ساتھ کوئی معاہدہ کرتے ہیں اور کہتے ہیں ، “میں خود اپنے لئے ان معاہدوں پر عمل کرنے کا ارادہ کرتا ہوں ،” تو پھر جو ہوتا ہے وہ وقت گزرنے کے ساتھ ہی خود ہونے لگتا ہے۔ اور اس طرح ، اس طرح سے کہ ہم اپنی توجہ اپنی طرف مرکوز کرتے ہیں اور اپنے بارے میں سوچنے کے طریقے کو تبدیل کرنا شروع کردیتے ہیں جس طرح دوسرے لوگ ہمارے بارے میں سوچتے ہیں۔ اور یہ ہمارے محسوس کرنے کے انداز کو تبدیل کرنا شروع کر دیتا ہے۔ اور یہ ایک دن کے طور پر یا کچھ ہفتوں تک مختصر ہوسکتا ہے۔ لیکن بات یہ ہے کہ جیسے ہی ہم ان تراکیب پر عمل کرنا شروع کرتے ہیں ، اس کے بعد ہم جتنی جلدی مشق کریں گے اور جتنا زیادہ ہم مشق کریں گے ، اتنا ہی ہم حقیقت میں لفظی طور پر اپنے دماغ میں اپنے اعصابی راستوں کی طرف توجہ دلائیں گے ، بجائے اس کے کہ ہم ہر وقت افسردہ اور ناراض ہوجائیں۔ یا جب بھی کوئی خراب واقع ہوتا ہے تو ، ہم واقعی اس موقع پر خوشی محسوس کرنا شروع کرتے ہیں جو چیلنج ہمارے لئے ترقی کرتا ہے اور بہتر ہوتا ہے۔ اور یہ لفظی طور پر پورے اعصابی نیٹ ورک کو تبدیل کرتا ہے جو اس انداز کی تائید کرتا ہے جس طرح سے ہم دنیا کو دیکھتے ہیں۔

کیٹ: مجھے یہ پسند ہے۔ میں بھی چار معاہدوں کا ایک بہت بڑا پرستار ہوں۔ اور مجھے لگتا ہے کہ آپ ٹھیک ہیں۔ مجھے لگتا ہے کہ شفٹ اور فوکس بہت ضروری ہے۔ اور اس سے کمزور ہونے کے ل. اور میں اپنی زندگی سے بھی شیئر کرسکتا ہوں۔ اس کی ایک مثال ، جب پہلے ہفتہ ہی سب بند ہورہے تھے تو ، مجھے معلوم ہوا کہ میں تقریبا completely مکمل طور پر کھانے کے قابل نہیں تھا۔ میں بہت ناراض تھا۔ میں دن میں چار بار ورزش کر رہا تھا اور مجھے اس کی طرح عجیب و غریب… جیسے میں لڑنا چاہتا تھا اور مجھے اندازہ نہیں تھا کہ وہ کہاں سے آرہا ہے۔ میں نے تھراپسٹ کے ساتھ اس کی کھوج ختم کی اور مجھے احساس ہوا کہ یہ میری زندگی میں ، ہائی اسکول میں ، اس سے پہلے کی جنسی صدمے پر واپس آگیا ہے۔ اور بنیادی طور پر میں نے یہ کیا تھا کہ میں نے اپنے آپ کو محفوظ رکھنے کے لئے فریم ورک بنائے تھے تاکہ میں زندگی کے کسی بھی شعبے میں پھر کبھی بے بس نہ ہوں۔

تو ، میرے تعلقات میں ایسی چیزیں تھیں جو میں نے اپنے آپ کو محفوظ محسوس کرنے کے لئے کی تھیں۔ میرے پاس جسمانی طور پر اپنے آپ کو بچانے کے طریقے تھے۔ تو ، میں نے اپنے آپ کو محفوظ سمجھا۔ جیسے میرے پاس ہر چیز کا نظام موجود تھا۔ لہذا ، مجھے کبھی بھی بے بس نہیں ہونا پڑا کیونکہ اس لمحے میں یہ جذبات اتنا تباہ کن تھا کہ میں کبھی بھی بے بس نہیں ہونا چاہتا تھا۔ اور میں نے اس صدمے پر کارروائی کرنے میں برسوں گزارے تھے اور طویل عرصے میں محرک نہیں ہوا تھا۔ میں نے سوچا کہ میں اس سے پوری طرح سے گزر چکا ہوں۔ اور یہ تب تک نہیں تھا جب مجھ سے بڑا کوئی اور نہ تھا کہ میں اس کے بارے میں کچھ نہیں کرسکتا تھا کہ اس نے اس بے بسی اور اس غصے کو دوبارہ جنم دیا۔ اور اس نے مجھے واقعی حیرت میں مبتلا کردیا کیونکہ مجھے لگتا تھا کہ میں نے اس سے پوری طرح نپٹ لیا ہے۔ اور جیسا کہ آپ نے کہا ، غصہ ہمیشہ اس بات کا اشارہ بن سکتا ہے کہ چل رہی چیزوں کی طرح۔ اور اس طرح ، مجھے واقعی میں جان بوجھ کر اپنی توجہ اپنی پہلی ہفتوں میں تبدیل کرنی پڑے گی۔

A ، یہ سمجھنے کے لئے کہ کیا ہو رہا ہے۔ اور پھر شکریہ ادا کرنے اور ان چیزوں پر توجہ مرکوز کرنے پر جن پر میں نے قابو پایا ، جس میں میں اپنے بچوں کے ساتھ زیادہ سے زیادہ وقت گزار سکتا ہوں ، میں باہر وقت گزار سکتا ہوں ، میں مثبت پر توجہ مرکوز کرسکتا ہوں ، میں شکرگزار اور نقل و حرکت کے لئے وقت بنا سکتا ہوں۔ لیکن یہ ایک مشکل چیز تھی اور مجھے لگتا ہے کہ ابھی بہت سارے لوگوں کو اس نوعیت کی ذہنی چیز کی مختلف ڈگریوں کا سامنا کرنا پڑ رہا ہے۔ اور یہ مشکل ہے۔ لیکن میں آپ کی بات کو بھی پسند کرتا ہوں ، اگر ہم اس وقت کا صحیح استعمال کریں اور ہم مثبت پر توجہ دیں تو ہم اس سے ناقابل یقین عادات اور شکر پر توجہ مرکوز کرسکتے ہیں اور ایسی چیزیں جیسے معمول کی زندگی کو تھوڑا سا سست کردینا ، نہیں۔ بہت ساری سرگرمیاں کرنا ، کنبہ کے ساتھ زیادہ سے زیادہ وقت گزارنا ، گھر پر کھانا پکانے کے لئے زیادہ وقت لگانا یا باغبانی کرنا یا ، آپ جانتے ہو ، ان میں سے بہت ساری چیزیں جو ہم کر رہے ہیں اس سے پہلے کہ ہم نے ایسا نہیں کیا اس سے پہلے میں اس سے محبت کرتا ہوں۔ مجھے اس کی عادت بنانے پر عملی توجہ پسند ہے کیونکہ مجھے لگتا ہے کہ واقعی وقت کے ساتھ اس کا ڈرامائی اثر پڑتا ہے۔

ڈاکٹر رابن: بالکل۔ اور میں اس کا شکرگزار ہوں کہ آپ اس ذاتی کہانی کو ہمارے ساتھ بانٹنا چاہتے ہیں۔ مجھے لگتا ہے کہ آپ نے جو کچھ ابھی بیان کیا ہے اس کا تجربہ ایک طاقتور استعارہ ہے جو ہم سب کے پاس سے گزرتے ہیں جب ہم ہوتے ہیں… ہم سب کی اپنی زندگی میں ایسے اوقات گزرے ہیں کہ شاید ہم جان بوجھ کر تکلیف دہ بھی نہ ہوں۔ واقف ، لیکن ہماری زندگیوں میں ہمیشہ ہم سب کے لئے ایسے اوقات موجود تھے جہاں ہم نے اپنے کنٹرول سے باہر محسوس کیا اور ہم نے محسوس کیا ، جیسے آپ کو معلوم ہی نہیں تھا کہ کیا ہونے والا ہے اور یہ غیر معمولی خوفناک یا دھمکی آمیز تھا۔ ہم سب اس طرح کے حالات میں رہے ہیں اور مجھے لگتا ہے کہ جو ہم اکثر کرتے ہیں ہم ان چیزوں کو محافظ کہتے ہیں جو آپ نے بہت اچھی طرح بیان کیا ہے۔ ہم یہ بہت کچھ ایم ڈی ایم اے کی مدد سے چلنے والی سائیکو تھراپی اور سائیکلیڈک سائیکو تھراپی میں استعمال کرتے ہیں جہاں ہم لوگوں کو کام کرنے اور سمجھنے میں مدد کرتے ہیں ، “ارے ، یہ وہ کام ہے جب آپ بچپن میں تھے یا جب آپ نوعمر تھے جب اس زبردست رقم سے نمٹنے کا طریقہ سیکھیں گے۔ کسی کو آپ کو دکھائے بغیر یا آپ کو ان جذبات سے نمٹنے کا طریقہ سکھانے کے بغیر تناؤ کا۔

لہذا ، اب آپ کے پاس محافظ ہیں ، آپ کو وہ کہتے ہیں جسے ہم کبھی کبھی فائر فائٹرز کہتے ہیں ، جو غصہ یا ناراضگی ہوسکتی ہے یا اس نوعیت کی اس قسم کی چیزیں جو ہر بار سامنے آتی ہیں جب ہمیں اس خطرے کا احساس ، قابو کھونے کا احساس دلاتے ہیں ، امید کھونے یا حفاظت سے محروم ہونے کا احساس۔ اور جو ہوتا ہے وہ یہ ہے کہ ہم یہ بھول جاتے ہیں کہ ہم واقعتا the سب سے اہم ہیں… ہماری زندگیوں میں سلامتی کا ایک واحد سب سے اہم ذریعہ ہمارے اندر سے آتا ہے۔ آپ جانتے ہو ، ہمیں اکثر یہ سیکھنا پڑھایا جاتا ہے کہ یہ ہمارے باہر سے آتا ہے۔ اور یہ کہ تندرستی کا ذریعہ ہے اور یہ کہ ہمارے علاج معالجے اور صحت کا ذریعہ اور یہ سب چیزیں ہمارے باہر سے آتی ہیں۔ لیکن حقیقت میں یہ سچ نہیں ہے۔ اور یہ کہ ہماری صحت کا واحد سب سے بڑا ذریعہ ہمارے اندر سے آتا ہے اور ہماری خوشی ہمارے اندر سے ہی آتی ہے۔

اور اسی طرح ، جب ہم آپ کو سیکھنے کے مطابق سیکھیں ، اور آپ نے خود سے اس حفاظت کو پیدا کرنے کے ل it ، اس کو اتنی اچھی طرح سے بیان کیا ، کہ اپنی عادات کو تبدیل کرکے ، جس چیز پر آپ اپنی توجہ اور اپنا وقت خرچ کرتے ہو ، اس کا مطلب یہ ہے کہ لفظی طور پر زندگی ہے۔ بدل رہا ہے۔ یہ لفظی طور پر ہے جو لوگ سائیکلیڈک دوائیوں تک رسائی حاصل کرنے کے لئے دروازوں پر جھونک رہے ہیں کیونکہ سائیکلیڈیک ادویہ ، بہت سارے طریقوں سے ، اس عمل کو تیز تر کرنا ایک کاتالک کی طرح ہے۔ یہ ایک ایسا عمل ہے جسے ہم خود ہی حاصل کرنے کے اہل ہیں۔ جیسا کہ آپ نے کہا ، اس میں ابھی بہت زیادہ وقت اور بہت کام لگتا ہے۔ اور مناسب رہنمائی یا مناسب تعلیم یا سرپرست یا معالج یا ، کے بغیر ، آپ کو معلوم ہے ، جو بھی یہ ہے کہ ہمیں ہماری مدد کی ضرورت ہے ، آپ کو معلوم ہے ، کم از کم ہمیں صحیح راہ پر گامزن کریں تاکہ اس کو ممکن حد تک پہچان سکے ، پھر ہم بھول گئے .

آپ جانتے ہیں ، اس کا یہ مطلب نہیں کہ ہم یہ نہیں کرسکتے ہیں۔ اس کا مطلب صرف یہ ہے کہ ہم بھول گئے ہیں کہ ہمارے پاس وہ صلاحیت موجود ہے۔ اور اسی وجہ سے ، یہ ہمیشہ ہی ایسی خوشی اور خوشی کی بات ہے کہ آپ کے ساتھ یہ گفتگو کر سکیں کیونکہ ہم واقعی… میرا مطلب ہے ، ہم صرف اس کی خام خیالی پر اتر آتے ہیں۔ میرا خیال ہے کہ جب آپ سنتے ہیں… جب لوگ کچھ اس طرح سے سنتے ہیں تو ان کو یہ موقع سننے کا موقع ملتا ہے کہ واقعتا ہم سب کے لئے کیا ممکن ہے ، کہ ہمارے پاس صلاحیت موجود ہے ، ہم سب جو یہ سن رہے ہیں ، سب ہم جو اس قسم کی گفتگو سنتے ہیں ان میں یہ صلاحیت رکھنے کی صلاحیت ہوتی ہے کہ ہم اپنے آپ کو شفا بخش سکتے ہیں اور پھر ان میں سے کچھ سبق کو ان کی زندگیوں میں واپس لے سکتے ہیں تاکہ جب تک یہ سب کچھ ہو… ہم سب کے اگلے مرحلے کی طرف بڑھ گئے۔ ہماری زندگیوں میں ، دنیا میں ، ہم اتنے مضبوط ، بہت صحتمند اور زیادہ خوش اور اب آنے والے جو کچھ بھی قبول کرنے کے لئے تیار ہوسکتے ہیں۔ کمزور ، کمزور حالت میں نہیں۔

کیٹی: بالکل۔ اور مجھے بہت خوشی ہے کہ آپ نے سائیکلیڈک اسسٹڈ تھراپی کی۔ میں جانتا ہوں کہ ہم نے اپنی پہلی قسط میں اس کے بارے میں تھوڑی بہت بات کی ہے ، جس سے میں یہ یقینی بناتا ہوں کہ ویلنسما ڈاٹ ایم ایف کے شو نوٹوں میں اس کا لنک ہے۔ لیکن جیسا کہ مجھے شبہ ہوگا ، شاید بہت سارے ایسے افراد ہوں گے جنھیں شاید اس صدمے یا نشے کے مسائل یا اس بحران کے بعد ہر طرح کی چیزوں کی بحالی ہو۔ مجھے سائڈیکلیڈک اسسٹڈ ریسرچ اور تھراپی کے ذریعہ میڈیکل ریسرچ میں اسی طرح کی نظر آرہی ہے ، اور آنے والے مہینوں اور سالوں میں آپ کی کیا توقع ہے ، اس بارے میں مجھے اپ ڈیٹ سننا اچھا لگتا ہے ، کیوں کہ میرے خیال میں یہ واقعی گہرا ہوسکتا ہے۔ بہت سارے لوگوں کے لئے۔

ڈاکٹر رابین: ہاں ، یہ ابھی دلچسپی کا بہت بڑا موضوع ہے۔ مجھے لگتا ہے کہ ، بدقسمتی سے ، MDMA اور psilocybin کے بہت سارے مطالعے میں ذاتی طور پر بہت سارے دوروں کی ضرورت ہوتی ہے۔ اس وقت ان میں سے بہت سارے مطالعے توقف پر ہیں۔ لیکن اس کے نتائج ناقابل یقین ہیں… خاص طور پر سائلوسائبن کے ساتھ ، جو مشروموں میں فعال سائیکلیڈیک جزو ہے۔ اور پھر ایم ڈی ایم اے ، جو اصل میں ساسفراس سے آتا ہے لیکن کیمیائی طور پر ماخوذ ہے ، اور پھر ایک بہت ہی طاقتور ہمدردی اور خود قبولیت فراہم کرنے کے ل slightly تھوڑا سا ترمیم کیا گیا ہے ، آپ جانتے ہو ، غیر جوازی تجربہ جو صدمے میں مبتلا لوگوں کے لئے بنیادی طور پر شفا بخش ہے ، جو ہم میں سے زیادہ تر ہے۔ . اور اسی طرح ، میں سوچتا ہوں کہ ، آپ جانتے ہو ، یہ دوائیں بالکل سامنے آ رہی ہیں۔

وہ دستیاب ہوں گے۔ ایسا لگتا ہے ، جیسے آپ جانتے ہو ، کسی زمانے میں 2021 اور 2023 کے درمیان ، مؤکل ، مریض داخل ہوسکیں گے اور در حقیقت کسی ایسے معالج یا کسی سائیکو تھراپسٹ کو تلاش کرسکیں گے جو ان معالجے کی فراہمی کے لئے کسی معالج کے ساتھ کام کرے۔ اور یہ شروع ہوچکا ہے۔ آپ جانتے ہو ، وہاں پہلے ہی ایک مطالعہ موجود ہے… ابھی یہ زیادہ تر مطالعات کے ذریعے ہی ہوتا ہے ، لیکن آپ واقعی میں ہاپکنز ، میپز میں مطالعہ کے لئے سائن اپ کرسکتے ہیں ، سائیکلیڈک اسٹڈیز کی ملٹی ڈسپلیلنری ایسوسی ایشن ان ادویات پر مطالعہ چلاتی ہے۔ اور اسی طرح ، اس میں شامل ہونا ممکن ہے۔ زیادہ تر لوگوں کے لئے ابھی مشکل کام ہے۔ اور دوائیں مہنگی ہیں اور اس کے لئے پروٹوکول کے لئے بہت ساری محنت اور لگن کی ضرورت ہے۔ I think what’s really interesting that’s on the horizon right now is ketamine-assisted psychotherapy because ketamine is a molecule that was discovered in the early mid-20th century.

It was used as an anesthetic and a horse tranquilizer because it’s a very, very gentle anesthetic. But it was found later to actually induce very powerful psychedelic states. And when I say psychedelic, you know, I don’t mean a crazy ’70s dance party, but more a mind-manifesting state. So, the root of the word psychedelic means mind-manifesting. And what this really means is creating an altered state of consciousness, which you can also create with meditation or with breathwork or with, you know, yoga or a lot of other different techniques. But with medicine, it’s like ketamine or like MDMA or psilocybin. It’s a chemical induction of that state. And what ketamine does is it induces that state for about half an hour to an hour in a very safe way. And it allows people to be able to access that state for a very brief amount of time, but it’s enough time to be able to start to do some really interesting work on ourselves.

And so, one of the pioneers of this treatment was Dr. Phil Wilson, who still has a practice in San Anselmo and the San Francisco Bay Area. And he is pioneering this treatment for lots of different approaches, but its main focus is post-traumatic stress disorder and predominantly treatment-resistant depression. And I think what’s so interesting about ketamine above all the other psychedelics is that, is it particularly interesting? It’s interesting, but it’s not that much more interesting than the others. I think what makes it interesting right now is that it’s legal in basically…it’s legal in every state and in almost every country worldwide. And this is incredible because there isn’t any other psychedelic medicine that is legal in every state and every country or almost every country worldwide. So, that creates an enormous opportunity when we already have this technique that can be delivered in person.

Ketamine is also interesting. It can be delivered over the phone or over like a video conference. And people have been doing that for some time very successfully and very safely with some training. And we actually provide this treatment now which is very exciting. And so, there are all these opportunities coming up with medicines like ketamine where people who have very severe symptoms are people who are really struggling with trauma or depression I think is the main two. And there are other things that can help as well, but those two, in particular, can have dramatic benefit from use of this medicine. You know, and they don’t need it…you don’t take it every day. You take it, you know, once every week, once every couple of weeks with a therapist and then you have frequent communication with your therapist before and after, which helps set what we call the set and setting or the intention of the experience and what you hope to get out of it to make it as powerful and meaningful of a healing experience as possible.

So, while we wait for things like silicide and mushrooms and, and MDMA and some of these other very powerful medicines to get through the trials, ketamine thankfully is actually available right now and I think this is going to be a total game-changer for the way that we provide mental health via telemedicine, via remote, you know, remote mental health care and remote therapy over the next several months, especially while we’re under quarantine right now.

Katie: Yeah, I think you’re right. And I’ll make sure the links to find out more about that are in the show notes for anyone who really wants to look into that and to try it more. I know a couple of people I know personally have done ketamine assisted therapy for depression and for other things and had profound results from it. Can you go a little deeper on explaining how…because I think obviously there’s still some stigma surrounding anything in the psychedelic world with certain people. Can you explain how these enables such drastic results even for people who have treatment-resistant forms of these or like, I know people who don’t respond well to talk therapy have seen incredible results from psychedelic-assisted talk therapy. Can you just kind of explain what’s happening that allows that to be so much more effective?

Dr. Rabin: Sure. Again, so going back to what we were talking about earlier, safety is the most critical factor of all of this. Safety is what allows our nervous system that’s responsible for healing to really engage in full force. And this goes back millions of years, hundreds of millions of years actually. And Eric Kandel, who won the Nobel prize in 2002 for discovering the origins of learning and memory, found that we actually learn in our complex brains, you know, a hundred billion neurons or so, our brains learn in fundamentally the same way that 300 million year old sea snail brains learn and they only have 3 neurons in their brains. And the way that they learn is that they increase connections when they’re exposed to intense, meaningful, threatening or safe experiences, they increase the amount of and the strength of those neural connections over time, and we do exactly the same thing.

So, as we practice, and I think the main thing to take home about this is that what our moms always said or what our dads always said, practice makes perfect. This is actually real. It is literally reflected all the way down in our neurobiology to the way that our neurons talk to each other and possibly all the way down to our DNA and the way that our genes are expressed epigenetically in terms of stress and reward response genes. But going back to the way that these medicines work ultimately, that if you think about it, when we are stressed out all the time, when we’re constantly in a fear or threatened state or we just…it doesn’t have to be actual threat, doesn’t have to be actual survival threat. It could just be that we perceive something to be threatening us, like our coworker looking at us funny across the table, or traffic on the road, or our kids or family or friends screaming in the house, or whatever it might be.

You know, all of these things set…our body doesn’t know the difference between that and a survival threat. So, the body responds in the same way. It jacks up heart rate. It jacks up blood pressure, jacks up respiratory rate. It increases blood flow to the muscles, to the fear center of the brain, and to the parts of our brain that are responsible for just getting us out of that situation or fighting that situation or freezing in that so you’re playing dead. And this is what all the animals do, right? This is what we’ve been taught for a long time, evolutionarily. What I think we forget oftentimes is that when that survival system gets all of the diverted to it, because we perceive threat, it gets stronger and tighter and the connections get tighter between certain things in our environment and that threat response and the nerve connections actually get stronger, the neuronal connections get stronger.

And so, what happens is that every time you’re exposed to threat, it’s more likely you’re going to have a survival like response. And it’s less likely that you’re going to calm down quickly and recognize, “Hey, wait a minute, maybe this email is not threatening. Maybe this traffic is not actually out to get me. It’s just the way it is today because I left work too late, you know. And that’s how it is.” So, ultimately the problem with that is that on a neurological level, when we train our brains and our bodies to be in a threatened state all the time, what happens is that’s diverting resources away from our parasympathetic nervous system that is literally responsible for all of our rest and recovery. All of our digestion, all of our immunity, literally managing our immune response so that our immune system is working at its peak level.

Managing our creativity and diverting resources to that, our decision making, all of those things that we care about, being empathic, and caring with our loved ones. Being present with our children and our loved ones, all of these things require the recovery system to turn on, which requires safety. And so, as we retrain our brains with safety techniques, whether that’s gratitude or whether it’s soothing touch from ourselves or a loved one, or whether it’s any number of meditation, deep breathing, the other things we’ve talked about, as we retrain our brains down that path, those networks get stronger. And then we actually become better at recovering and better performing rather than just performing under stress, which means that we’re not recovering enough on a regular basis. So, the reason why psychedelic medicines can be so useful and things like Apollo, which also work in a very similar way, is that when psychedelic medicines are introduced in the proper way with a very safe therapeutic context, what happens is that the safety gets amplified dramatically.

That safety reminds us that we don’t have to be afraid or threatened right now and that we don’t actually have an immediate survival threat around us right now. And so, it’s reminding us that we can start to divert resources like blood, oxygen, energy in general to our recovery response system and allow some of the healing parts to turn on. It serves as a catalyst or an accelerant to speed up that process, which is a process that we activate and train in psychotherapy. That’s sort of the main idea of psychotherapy. Oftentimes, unfortunately, psychotherapy isn’t performed properly for the person who’s receiving it or there’s a, you know, a so-so between the person receiving the psychotherapy and the therapist, usually a lack of trust. And that trust is absolutely essential for us to feel safe. And if we don’t have it, then we, again, don’t allow our healing response to turn on. So, psychedelic medicines kind of provide that little chemical boost that stimulates the brain in a way that amplifies the safety of the therapeutic experience when we have a good therapeutic experience, which is the foundation of a good psychedelic healing experience. And then that literally fast tracks the retraining of those neural networks along a pathway of safety and recovery and away from unwanted stress response. Does that make sense?

Katie: Yeah, it absolutely does. And it puts in perspective why that can be so effective compared to just having talked through something. And I’ve definitely seen that in my own life. I’ve tried various forms with psychedelics as well, and those were really helpful to me in working through my own trauma. So, I can speak first hand to that.

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Another area that I know you’ve done a lot of research on it and that specifically we can talk about Apollo in is the area of ADD and ADHD. And I think this is especially important right now as well because a lot of moms and a lot of listeners found themselves overnight becoming homeschool teachers and home with their kids much more. And so, I’ve heard from a lot of moms who are now navigating, “How do I actually be both the parent and the teacher for a child with ADD or ADHD? And how do I adapt a home learning environment to these specific needs?” And I know that you’ve done a lot of research and study in those areas, so we’d love to hear what’s happening right now. I know you’ve been doing trials with the Apollo in this specifically, so, what are you finding right now that’s helpful?

Dr. Rabin: So, this is a great, great segue, I think. So, for those who don’t know what Apollo is, you can check it out on apolloneuro.com, apolloneuro.com or apolloneuroscience.com. And this is a wearable technology that was developed based on all the research that we’re talking about now today. It was developed by myself and colleagues at the University of Pittsburgh. And it is a wearable that delivers very gentle frequencies of vibration to the skin that you can wear on your ankle or your wrist. But it works basically anywhere on the body and these specific vibration patterns that are very gentle, that kind of feel like an ocean wave or like a hug or somebody holding your hand are specifically developed and from our research in the lab to activate the safety response in the body and to activate the recovery nervous system instead of the stress response system.

And when you activate that recovery response system by sending safety signals to the body or basically vibrations that are interpreted by our brains as safe, just like someone you love holding your hand on a bad day, it helps remind us that we are actually not under threat in that moment and that we are actually in control of our decisions in that moment. We have the opportunity, that tunnel vision starts to fade and you have the opportunity to make maybe a different choice than you’ve made the last 1,000 or 10,000 times you’ve been in this situation. And so what’s really interesting about ADD and ADHD, in particular, is that this is a huge problem in our society. کیوں؟ There’s lots of reasons, I think, but one of which in particular is that a lot of us don’t remember what it’s like to be children, right? We forget that as a child, you know, it’s a bit confusing at times in the adult world, you know, there’s all this chaos and all this stuff going on around us.

And, you know, many of us feel completely out of control, particularly as we start to get into the adolescent years in high school, middle school. And we just start to feel completely out of control. And what happens is that when we feel as kids out of control, then our attention wanders, we get distracted and we literally will seek anything, anything that will help us feel calm in that moment. And usually, it’s something that’s distracted. So, the most common things that we see in kids with ADD or ADHD is they can’t focus on things that bore them or things that they’re not interested in for more than a minute or two at most. But as soon as you put them in front of a video game that they like, or something that’s constantly changing or an athletic activity or something like that, they’re incredible at it.

Sometimes they’re like the best at it. And so what’s really interesting is that that attention is not dysfunctional the way that we talk about it with the diagnosis of ADHD, it’s actually just different and it requires a little more training than the average bear. And it’s really at the source, the source of that distractibility, that’s the source of the attention deficit as we describe it in psychiatry, really seems to be more of feelings of out of control, feelings of lack of control, lack of being in control of our lives, lack of control of what we eat, you know, lack of being control of what we learn, what we do during the day, our schedule. As a kid, we don’t really have control over most of that. And so, what’s really interesting is that with Apollo, we thought when we made it that it would improve, that there would be certain frequencies that were vibration that reliably improved focus. And we tested this originally in a double-blind randomized placebo-controlled crossover study in healthy folks, adults, at the University of Pittsburgh. And the results were resoundingly good for focus.

We improved focusing cognitive performance on very stressful tasks by quite a bit. And that performance on those tasks increased directly proportionate to the amount that our recovery system turned on. So, the more that our recovery nervous system turned on as measured by clinically validated lab-grade technology like EKG machines and brainwave scans and all of these other things that we did, the more that that recovery system turned on, the more that focus and cognitive performance went up. And then we thought, “Okay, we have adult friends who have ADD and ADHD. What if we just gave them our prototype to try out? You know, it has no side effects, can’t hurt you. It’s just sound waves. So, let’s give it to them, try it out.” And I personally was one of those kids who was very bored and distractible as a child, and I think I would have been diagnosed with ADHD if anybody had put me in front of a psychiatrist at a young age.

And I use it all the time for focus. So, we started giving it out to our friends in the early prototype and they all loved it. It was resoundingly, everyone was like, “I don’t use my Adderall anymore. I don’t use my Ritalin anymore because I can use this.” And that blew me away. So, we started to work with a population of children at a clinic called the Children’s Integrated Center for Success in Allentown, PA, which is run by an incredible nurse practitioner, Amy Edgar, and she’s been working on basically helping to try to treat mental illnesses in particular in children without medicine or in the least invasive way, least risky way possible for many, many years. And our clinic is an incredibly well-run place that really focuses on kids’ safety first. But even with all of their incredible techniques, they still struggle with many kids, not…I mean, I think they have better results in a lot of other places, but they still have children that struggle and adolescents that struggle with symptoms of ADD and ADHD.

So, when I showed her Apollo for the first time, she loved it. She tried it herself, she tried it on her daughter, she loved it. And then she said, “I think that given how safe this is, clearly, I would like to try this in a pilot trial with our patients at the clinic who are treatment-resistant. These are kids who I’ve tried everything I can with them. And the only outcome that we have is that we had to go to medicine because we didn’t have any other luck with anything else.” And she started putting on these kids just in the clinic, in therapy, in front of the parents, in front of the therapist and they put it on, and within minutes they would see a change. The kind of change where the kids would sit up, they would start making eye contact instead of running around the room.

They would start smiling and they would say…they would start talking by themselves. They would start talking about their feelings, talking about their day, talking about things that they’ve had on their mind in ways that they have not spoken about to the therapist in years. Somebody as a therapist would work for hours and hours and hours just trying to get the child or the client to tell them anything. And, you know, a lot of kids are very closed off in these kinds of settings and they don’t want to talk and that’s understandable. And they don’t understand what’s going on a lot of the time. And again, it’s like, you know, it feels like they’re out of control. And they put this on and they just settle down and they realize they’re in a safe environment and they say, “This feels like a hug. And I want to talk about myself.”

And that was so incredible for us to, you know, to see those kinds of results in these kids. And ultimately, after the first 15 kids went through the original pilot, Amy put together an IRB approved clinical protocol, that is a standard protocol for, you know, rigorous scientific clinical trials that can be published. And now she’s running this trial in a much more rigorous fashion that will be published with, I think it’s 40 children and the first 15 have been run through it and they are seeing the same results consistently in these kids. And so, I think this is incredibly promising for us to be able to have alternatives for people where not only…I mean, it’s not only that we have a technology like Apollo that you can buy over the counter that can help, you know, improve something like this that we thought we required medicine for, but also for the kids to understand and for parents understand that there’s hope, that this is based on a theory of neuroscience, right? And neuroscience is psychology of learning and attention.

So, if Apollo was built on that theory and Apollo works this well, then that means that if we work with our children and we work with ourselves to train our own attention better, you know, to work with these techniques and to really learn these strategies, then, you know, we all have the ability to achieve this higher level of functioning that we want and that we all talk about we want, that we all often rely on medicine that we want because we feel we need to. We don’t need the medicine, the medicine is teaching us how to do it. Apollo is a tool teaching us how to do it. But again, going back to the point we were talking about earlier, all of this is pointing to the fact that we can do this on our own.

Katie: Wow, that’s so encouraging to hear. And I think you’re right that…had they tested for this when we were younger, I actually did testing as an adult, separate of just specifically testing for ADD and ADHD and found out I would clinically be diagnosed with ADHD, or I was technically by this test. But I thought it was really funny and I’m really grateful that they didn’t test me as a kid because I probably potentially could have been put on medication. I don’t know if they did that back then. But I think long-term it actually ended up being superpower of sorts. Because my parents gave me an opportunity to exist in a world where I was homeschooled for part of my adolescents and I had the opportunity to move around a lot to express creativity.

So, I didn’t face some of the same challenges that some kids, I’m sure, do in a school environment. But I’m really glad that get kind of managed out when I was young because I think learning from that has been an asset as an adult. So, I think it’s really important how you explain that, kind of reframing that to begin with. And then also using these non-invasive low-risk or no-risk tools that can help kids to focus and to like move through this without having to like to be medicated or to take some more of these extreme measures. That’s really encouraging to hear.

Dr. Rabin: And I think that’s, you know, that’s really what it comes down to is that, you know, had you or I been told when we were children that we had a disorder that required medication, then I’m not sure that you and I would have put in the effort to overcome that when we were given medicine and being told that if you take this medicine, all your problems will go away basically. You know, that is not consistent with healing. That’s like putting a band aid on a broken leg, you know, and the broken leg’s still broken. You might not feel pain as much, you know, but it’s still broken. It’s the same thing with mental and attention and emotional issues that all of us have dealt with at some time. I think as we look at them as challenges that we can overcome and grow from, then we start to learn how to use our own superpowers, as you said.

I think it’s the greatest way to put it. We’re learning or teaching ourselves by overcoming these challenges, how to activate our own superpowers to really become our fullest versions of ourselves. And I also, I think it’s important as a caveat to remind people that this is information for you but I am not your doctor. As much as I am a board-certified physician, I am not your doctor or your child’s doctor, so please don’t just discontinue medicine right away without speaking to your healthcare provider or your physician. That said, it is really important if you’re going to take home anything from this, I think please take home the idea that there absolutely without a doubt is scientific evidence for hope that we can all heal from these things. And that 99% of the people who have ADHD or ADD, 99% of people with these kinds of diagnoses, even things like depression and anxiety are not chronic illnesses that never get better.

On the contrary, they are chronic illnesses that can absolutely get better. And the single biggest factor in whether they get better or not is whether or not we believe that we can do anything about it. Once we start to believe that we can do something about it, then we start to put attention and energy into building those skill sets and figuring out how to overcome those challenges on our own and to learn as much as we can from those experiences so that we work in the…you know, we grow in the direction that we are hoping to.

Katie: Such a great point. And I’ll say also from my personal experience, I’m a big fan of the Apollo and I use it all the time and it really does help with focus. But also for me, there’s one called social and openness setting and I’ve had a little bit of social anxiety when I was younger. It’s gotten better as I’ve gotten older, but I notice a big difference with that setting when I have to be at conferences or like very extroverted forward-facing places. It makes a huge difference. And then also I use the sleep and relaxation settings quite often to fall asleep at night. So, just wanted to give a plug for that, and I’ll, of course, make sure it’s linked in the show notes as well if you guys want to find it and try it out because it really has been helpful for me and for my kids.

But, Dr. Dave, I want to respect your time. I know that you’re incredibly busy, but I love all the research you’re doing. And I appreciate you coming back for a second check-in with updates on where the research is, and especially that exciting news about ADD and ADHD that I think offers a lot of hope for parents.

Dr. Rabin: Yeah, I really appreciate you for having me and it’s always exciting to be able to come back and share positive news, and I think that, you know, we’re on the right track. Things are moving in the right direction, and so, I thank you again for having this conversation. This is great.

Katie: Thank you. And thanks as always to all of you for listening and sharing your time with us. We’re so grateful that you did, and I hope that you will join me again on the next episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.

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