Why We Need Meat (& So Does the Planet)


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Katie: Hello and welcome to the “Valence Mama” podcast. I’m from KatieWellinsma.com and this episode is about why we need meat and how it can really be good for the planet. It will be, maybe a little controversial, but I think you really enjoy it. Anya Fernald, I hope I am correct in saying that she is the co-founder and CEO of Belcampo. Belcampo operates 27,000 acres of organic farmland in California and processes its livestock for sale in its butcher shops and restaurants. Annia has two decades of leadership experience in high quality organic and premium foods. And their list of achievements is long and impressive. She is recognized as one of the 100 Women Founders of Inc. magazine, one of 40 under 40 by “Food and Wine”, was named “Nifty 50” by the New York Times. And “The New Yorker,” serving as a regular judge on “Iron Chef America” ​​in 2009, and they have a book called “Home Coded” that was released in 2016. And today we will talk really deeply on this topic and talk about how the human body needs meat and when our planet can grow and when it is properly cared for. So, let’s jump into this episode.

Welcome, welcome. Thanks for being here.

Anya: Hey, thank you for having me.

Katie: I’m excited to chat with you today because I think you have such an amazing and unique knowledge around a topic that is so important right now. And this is the role of meat in both animal welfare, environmental fitness and human well-being. And I know we can go deep into that in many areas. But to start, I just want to tell people at a broader level how important it is, and how animal welfare and human well-being are linked.

Anya: You know, I think about it, because they’re the animals we share, you know, 99% of our DNA is okay? So at the genetic level, we are very close. So it’s intuitive to me that any kind of environmental impact that causes the animal’s weight to go up so fast that we eat, we want to be more careful, okay? The way animals are being raised right now is effectively a fit environment. So they are put in a place where they are under pressure. They feed defective foods that cause them to swell and actually cause weight gain. And this is actually a very inflammatory and quick response to cortisol.

So they have been placed in areas where there is no access to natural light, no social contact, no resource competition. And then many antibiotics were given to suppress, you know, their body’s reaction to these inflammatory conditions. And it actually produces obesity. So, you know, growing chickens in this environment can reach a maximum of two and a half pounds in just two weeks, compared to our farm like natural environment and this is in 8 to 10 weeks, right? So at four times the weight.

So just to think about human interaction, it’s like, well, we share a lot of DNA with this animal, you know, it’s practically the same. It’s not like sludge where your digestion system is actually completely different. You know, the way a chicken digest is, they need a microbiome, you know, they have a circadian clock, so there are a lot of similarities to our way of working. So I think people need to pay more attention to the condition that animals are raised just because our whole body and digestive system are compatible with their functioning. So in order for us to recover, it makes sense that we want to eat animals that are raised in a way that will be better and healthier than a normal weight gain and normal work and natural environment. ۔

Katie: That makes perfect sense. And I think everyone on the board can agree. I think this is really important in the nutrition world because it can be so controversial and polarizing. People focus on the little things we don’t agree with. But I think most people would agree that we should treat animals well and adapt to their natural biology. Whether we eat meat or we don’t eat, I think that’s a really important point. And I don’t think, you know, no one is in favor of the mistreatment of animals or the many feedlot situations. But I think people probably don’t even realize that the way we raise animals has changed in my opinion in the last few decades, is that right? As such, has the food supply really changed so fast?

Annia: Basically. And you know, Katie, if it doesn’t say anything special, about how it’s raised, or the real name of a form you can Google on and the name of the form, just a packing. Not like a house, or you know, a facility that cuts meat and wraps it in what is called a farm, right? As long as it is really different and has a high price and many claims, it is absolutely commodity meat that is raised in a feedlot. This is the greatest way ever. You are right, people understand intuitively, animal welfare and human well-being are linked.

That means, right? It’s just like immature. Not only to put you in the body, but also to those living close to the animal feeding process, have also increased the risk of low birth weight, high rates of miscarriage, endocrine-related disorders, including cancer. , Okay fine? So it’s a mental, animal fitness, human fitness, connected. But then people say, “Oh, you know what, I buy a really good grocery store.” Well, that doesn’t mean anything, right? Or “I just eat meat in expensive restaurants,” does not mean anything.

So you have to be extremely dynamic as a consumer to make sure you are getting meat that is not graded. If this is not stated very clearly, I can guarantee that this is not just because he is buying supermarket or restaurant good quality meat, it is not.

Katie: That makes sense. And I have a lot of questions, we’re moving forward. But first, if people here are trying to be conscious consumers, is there any control over these labels? So I think this is a great way to look and make sure it’s a verifiable form that you can find out about the procedure. But do any of these other labels really mean that?

Ania: So labels mean something, words don’t mean anything. So you know, every word is organized. Even for Belcampo, for my company, whenever we put a word on any package, like keto-friendly or free-range or anything, I have to write a letter to the government explaining it. But this letter to the government… I mean, Tyson is natural to all his products and he is right… the worst Tyson is in prison. Foster Farms has also conducted a massive prison operation, which says all their products are natural.

So the rule of words they can say, I don’t know what they are making a case for, but it’s like, “Hey, we’re not feeding them plastic, okay? It’s natural,” you know. ۔ So most words are completely uncontrollable. And that’s the problem for consumers. You know, keep in mind that Purdue operates on a large-scale, large-scale agribusiness through a former USDA executive. Certainly not a healthy animal company, right?

So it is only interested in keeping the consumer in the dark and settling the consumer. And this is what you are being asked to do in the United States. It’s like fixing unsafe meat, okay. Hey, Mom, decide on a product that you have to make to kill all the pathogens in it. That’s what they tell you to do. Settle matters for a product that might be messy, but we’re asking you to cook it at 165 degrees. So, your kids are actually kind of like, “Well, I really don’t like it,” right, because it’s more cooked and dry. And you need to settle for that, though we’re not guaranteeing it’s a clean product. That’s what you are asked to do.

So, you know, you think about the context of labeling, this is a situation that stands out as a consumer to you. So when you’re looking for a label, you need to look beyond the word natural or free-range and you need to look beyond it, you know, what I claim and look for genuine credentials. I do. Certified Organic is a good place to start, but it has nothing to do with free range. For free range, that’s where I say you need to find the real name of a form you can verify, or a group of fields that you can verify.

So that would be the case… there is really no national player ahead of our company who… and there are certain things like lambs and chickens that are shipped across the country. But in your local grocery store, you will find that many grocery stores are trying to store at least one of these options, and have a great level of tracking, and a great deal for animal welfare. Related.

Katie: It means and I think people have heard the idea of ​​hormones in meat and dairy products. For example, is it really worth worrying about? Not raised like animals … do they have different levels of synthetic or natural hormones that we should be worried about?

Ania: That’s a great question about hormones. Because you shouldn’t … let me start from the top. Such a big question about hormones. In the US, using hormones to produce chicken or pork is actually illegal. So when you see pork for sale, it says “there is no hormone,” which means they are complying with the basic law in the United States. The question is, why don’t they allow the use of hormones? Particularly health-related. It’s just that hormones don’t grow as efficient and fast as antibiotics do. Antibiotics do a good job of causing rapid weight gain, which causes hormones in pigs and chickens.

So we do not use hormones in the US just because of these two products, because antibiotics, tetracycline and amoxicillin are more effective. In beef, beans do not even respond with antibiotics to weight gain because they do hormones, so beef is allowed to use hormones. So producers use hormonal hormones to increase weight gain faster in beef. So the idea that we get … I feel like hormones are like a red herring, where a lot of producers are going away saying, “Oh, no growth hormone and no prophylactic antibiotics,” OK. Is. That’s a claim you’ve seen in market protein on the large scale, well, you’ve noticed that in the grocery store, “no hormones, no extra antibiotics.”

But the fact is that hormones are not allowed because they are not effective. And you can say that when animals are sick, you are only using antibiotics. Well, guess what, if you’re in a hoop house, you know, it’s 300 feet tall with 19,000 other chickens, being poisoned in the environment you’re in. The risk of dying is high. So giving animals antibiotics in it is really essential for them to survive. So they claim that they are not using antibiotics, they only use them when the animals are sick. Well, there are veterinarians on the payroll who can permanently say, “Yes, all these animals are sick or at risk of getting sick because of the toxins in the environment.”

So where there are antibiotic and hormone claims, they are both meaningless. And that’s why … you know, the thing that struck me is that, as consumers, if you suddenly look at the meat market brand on the mass market, there are a bunch of new claims, but the price is a And the product looks the same. You better call it, okay? This is not really a meaningful change. Changes in the animal’s production system are usually due to the fact that the product is gradually increasing and therefore becomes more expensive. So when you see that Tyson or a big player changes their claims, but the price point remains the same, you are torn. This means that you are actually selling false false goods.

Katie: Wow. And I think that’s an important point too, you’ve also raised about antibiotics because it really surprises me. I know we’ve seen all this news about overuse of antibiotics in humans and how it’s leading to super bugs, super bugs and antibiotic resistant insects. And then you said that these antibiotics help animals gain weight. So is there any reason for this transfer in humans? Is it causing humans to gain weight and resist antibiotics?

Ania: Well, Katie, it’s fine. Yeah, so antibiotic resistance is weird, right, because, I mean, you can die from stuff. These are serious, serious diseases. And now people are getting… They have to use antibiotics for minor diseases because in animal agriculture, antibiotics are very abundant and then they enter the water. I mean, they get tetracycline in drinking water, three to five miles away in drinking water, OK, because these animal farms use a lot of antibiotics.

Now, on your own … I’m not a nutritionist but I know from animal agriculture that antibiotics increase weight by at least two factors. And it has been shown in some very interesting studies in humans as well as in the military after World War II. A group of studies that showed that only regular doses of amoxicillin and tetracycline increased the weight of the young more rapidly. So it has a similar effect on humans.

And it has something to do … What I’ve heard from people who know me more, but I encourage you to do your research on it. It has something to do with suppressing your microbiome. So effectively, you become less efficient at digesting your food, right? So you’re not without a complex microbiome, suppressed by your antibiotics, you can actually convert your diet into tissue faster, so you get more fat and more weight.

So this is a short story, but it has had such an impact on humans, right? I mean, in the study it was shown in humans in the 1940s. لیکن ایک ماں کی حیثیت سے ، میں یہ کہوں گا کہ اگر آپ اپنے بچوں کے لئے اینٹی بائیوٹکس سے بچ سکتے ہیں تو ، بالکل کریں کیونکہ یہ یقینی طور پر انسانی وزن میں اضافے سے جڑا ہوا ہے۔ اور اس میں تین مہینے کا پیلا بھی ہوتا ہے۔ تو یہاں تک کہ باقاعدہ… جیسے آپ کو ہڈیوں کا انفیکشن ہوا ، آپ کو جو کچھ بھی چھوٹی چیز دے دیں اس کی ایک خوراک مل جاتی ہے ، وہ یہ کہ آپ کے مائکرو بائوم پر تین مہینے کا پیلا پڑ جاتا ہے۔ اس ضمن میں کہ آپ کا سسٹم کب تک… کم سے کم مقدار میں آپ کے سسٹم کو اینٹی بائیوٹک کے ذریعے دبانے والا ہے۔

کیٹی: یہ سمجھ میں آتا ہے۔ ٹھیک ہے. لہذا وہاں دو چیزیں ہیں جو میں اس بات کو یقینی بنانا چاہتا ہوں کہ ہم ان کا احاطہ کریں۔ ہم اس سے متعلق ماحولیاتی پہلو پر پہنچنے والے ہیں ، لہذا اگر آپ لوگ اس میں دلچسپی رکھتے ہیں تو یقینا سنتے رہیں۔ لیکن پہلے ، میں انسانی صحت میں گوشت کے کردار کے بارے میں بات کرنا چاہتا ہوں کیوں کہ میں سوچتا ہوں کہ بہت سارے لوگوں کو ان تمام پریشانیوں کو فیڈ لوٹس سے سمجھنے اور یہ سمجھنے میں کہ جانوروں کے ساتھ کتنے ہولناک سلوک کیا جاتا ہے ، سمجھ بوجھ سے سوچیں ، “ٹھیک ہے ، ٹھیک ہے ، شاید میں صرف گوشت نہیں کھائے۔ اور پھر یہ میرے لئے بہتر ہوگا۔ لیکن مجھے لگتا ہے کہ ایسا کرتے ہوئے ، ہم بالکل غسل والے پانی سے بچے کو باہر پھینک دیتے ہیں۔ تو آئیے ہم گوشت کے کردار کے بارے میں بات کرتے ہیں اور یہ اتنا اہم کیوں ہے ، خاص کر سننے والوں میں سے بہت سے جو ماں ہیں ، جو حاملہ ہیں ، یا نرسنگ ہیں یا چھوٹے بچے ہیں۔

انیا: ہاں ، میرا مطلب ہے ، اس کے بارے میں حیرت انگیز ڈیٹا ہے۔ ماں کی حیثیت سے میرے لئے سب سے پہلی چیز جس نے ابھی میرے دماغ کو اڑایا تھا وہ یہ کہ ایک ماں کا اعلی معیار والے جانوروں کی پروٹین تک رسائی اس ملک کے مقابلے میں اس کے بچے کی ذہانت کا اعلی اشارے ہے جو وہ معاشی انڈیکس میں رہتی ہے۔ ٹھیک ہے. لہذا میں اس کو دوبارہ بحال کروں گا کیونکہ یہ حیرت انگیز ہے ، یہ یوسی سانٹا باربرا سے باہر ہے۔ لہذا ماں کی ڈی ایچ اے اور اومیگا 3 سے مالا مال ، اعلی درجے کی جانوروں کی پروٹین اس ملک کے مقابلے میں سویڈن بمقابلہ ایتھوپیا جیسے معیاری ٹیسٹوں پر اس کے بچے کی کارکردگی کا ایک بڑا اشارہ ہے۔ کیا یہ پاگل ہے؟

لہذا اس طرح کے بارے میں سوچنا ، آپ کی صحت کے ل what کیا ضروری ہے۔ وہ چیزیں جو میرے لئے حیرت انگیز تھیں وہ آس پاس ہی ہیں… آپ جانتے ہو ، خواتین کے لئے ، اگر آپ ابتدائی بلوغت سے ہی سبزی خور ہو ، جب سے آپ کے 30 کی دہائی میں آپ کے بچے ہوں گے ، تو آپ واقعی میں ضروری امینو ایسڈ دیں گے جس سے آپ صرف حاصل کرسکتے ہیں۔ آپ کے جنین پر گوشت آپ کا جسم ابتدائی بچپن سے ہی حتمی بچے پیدا کرنے والوں کو روکنے کے لئے تیار ہوا ہے۔

تو ، میرا مطلب ہے ، وہ دو حقائق میرے نزدیک بھی حیرت انگیز ہیں ، میرا مطلب ہے ، چیزوں کی ماں پر۔ میں آپ کو یہ مطالعہ بھیجوں گا ، یہ ناقابل یقین ہے ، یا میں آپ کو اپنے سننے والوں کے ل link لنک دینے کے ل. اس کو دے سکتا ہوں۔ ایک بار پھر ، یوسی سانٹا باربرا میں ایک شریف آدمی ہے ، جس نے ایک بار پھر ، چھوٹے بچوں کے ساتھ ذہانت کا بڑا ارتباط اور ان کی والدہ کے دودھ کے معیار کا اظہار کیا ، جس میں اومیگا 3 اور ڈی ایچ اے زیادہ ہے۔ لہذا یہ واقعی متاثر کن ، حیرت انگیز ہیں ، آپ جانتے ہو ، اعداد و شمار جو آپس میں ملتے ہیں… یہ بنیادی طور پر جانوروں کے پروٹین کے ضروری پہلوؤں کے آس پاس ہوتا ہے جو پھر دماغی نشوونما اور دماغ کی صحت میں اہم کردار ادا کرتے ہیں۔ اور یہ واقعی آپ کے لئے ماں کی حیثیت سے ہے ، ٹھیک ہے؟

اور ہمارے لئے بطور ماؤں یہ سوچ رہی ہیں کہ ہم صحت مند ، خوش ، متوازن ، سمارٹ بچوں کی سہولت کیسے کریں۔ اور جانوروں کی پروٹین اس کا واقعی ایک اہم حصہ معلوم ہوتا ہے۔ اور واقعی میں ، جانوروں کے پروٹین سے ضروری امینو ایسڈ اور فیٹی ایسڈ ہیں۔ اس اعداد و شمار کو اس موضوع پر بند کر دیا گیا ہے کہ آپ اپنے بچearingے والے سالوں میں ویگان یا سبزی خور بن کر اپنے بچے کے لئے ناپسندیدہ باتیں کر رہے ہو۔ آپ کی اپنی غذائیت کے لحاظ سے… میرا مطلب ہے ، میرے لئے ، یہ محض بنیادی نوعیت کا ہے ، یہ کہ جانوروں کا پروٹین انتہائی صحتمند ہے ، یہ بہت زیادہ غذائیت سے متعلق ہے ، اور اس سے آپ کو ضروری امینو ایسڈ ملتی ہے۔ اور میں اس پر بس اتنا ہی کہہ سکتا ہوں۔

اس نے یہ بھی ظاہر کیا ہے کہ جانوروں کی پروٹین موجود ہے جو آپ کے لئے اچھا ہے اور جانوروں کی پروٹین جو آپ کے ل so اتنا اچھا نہیں ہے۔ اور جانور بہتر اور آہستہ سے بڑھ رہے ہیں ، اور آہستہ آہستہ میرا مطلب پٹھوں کے بڑے پیمانے پر بڑھنے کی قدرتی شرح کی طرح ہے ، جتنا صحت مند ہے کہ آپ کے لئے پٹھوں کا مساج ایک صارف کے طور پر آپ کے ل be ہوگا۔ میں غذائیت پسند نہیں ہوں ، میں ایک متحرک ، خوش مزاج ہوں ، آپ جانتے ہو ، کھانا پکاتے ہو ، اور ماں اور یہ سب اچھی چیزیں ہیں ، لہذا میں آپ کو ان لوگوں کے ساتھ تحقیق کرنے کی ترغیب دیتا ہوں جو مجھ سے زیادہ جانتے ہیں۔ ہم کرس کریسر پر بھی اس پر ایک عظیم وسائل کے طور پر تبادلہ خیال کر رہے تھے۔ لیکن جانوروں کا پروٹین واقعی ایک اعلی معیار کا ، آپ کے ل lots بہت سی مختلف غذائیت کا بہترین ذریعہ ہے۔

کیٹی: بالکل۔ اور میرا پس منظر غذائیت میں ہے اور صرف اس بات کو بھانپ رہا ہے جیسے آپ نے کہا ، بچے پیدا کرنے والے سالوں میں ، آپ کا جسم اپنے غذا کی قیمت پر بھی ، ان غذائی اجزاء کو پورا کرنے کے لئے ہر ممکن کوشش کر رہا ہے جو آپ کے بڑھتے ہوئے بچے کی ضرورت ہے۔ لہذا اگر آپ کو یہ غذائی اجزاء نہیں مل رہے ہیں تو ، آپ خود کو بھی خطرے میں ڈال رہے ہیں۔ اور مجھے لگتا ہے کہ اس موضوع کو جس سے آپ آگاہی لیتے ہیں وہ ہمارے وقت کے لئے اتنا اہم ہے کیوں کہ یہ معیار ، مقدار ، اور سورسنگ کے بارے میں بہت زیادہ ہے۔ یہ صرف گوشت حاصل کرنے اور پروٹین حاصل کرنے کے بارے میں نہیں ہے۔ اور جیسا کہ میں نے شروع میں ہی کہا تھا ، میں سمجھتا ہوں کہ ہم سب اس بات پر متفق ہوسکتے ہیں کہ ہم جانوروں کے ساتھ خراب سلوک نہیں کرنا چاہتے ، ہم جانوروں کو کھانا کھلانا نہیں چاہتے ہیں ، اور نہ ہی ہم اپنے اور اپنے بچوں کو اس طرح کا گوشت کھانا کھلانا چاہتے ہیں۔

لیکن یہ احساس کرتے ہوئے کہ ان امینو ایسڈ کی حیاتیاتی ضرورت ہے ، اور یہ انتہائی مشکل ہے ، شاید حمل کے دوران اور نرسنگ کے دوران اور ایک ترقی پذیر بچے کی حیثیت سے ان پروٹینوں کا کافی حد تک حصول ممکن ہے۔ اور اگر آپ بھی ایسا کرنے کی کوشش کر رہے ہیں تو آپ کو انتہائی محتاط رہنا چاہئے۔ اگرچہ آپ کو اعلی معیار کا گوشت مل سکے تو یہ اتنا آسان ہے۔

انیا: اور جن خواتین سے میں نے بات کی ہے ان سب کی تعداد جن سے سبزی خور ہوں ، حاملہ نہیں ہوسکتی تھیں ، اور پھر گوشت کھانا شروع کردیں اور ایک ماہ بعد جیسے حاملہ ہوئیں۔ میرا مطلب ہے ، میں نے یہ کہانی اب بہت بار سنی ہے ، یہ ایسا ہی ہے ، ہاں ، یہ آپ کا جسم یہ کہہ رہا ہے ، “ہاں ، عورت ، آپ کو یہ معلوم کرنے کے لئے مائکروکُنٹریٹینٹ بنیاد نہیں ہے۔” اور پھر وہ گوشت کھانا شروع کردیتے ہیں… یہاں تک کہ ہڈی کے شوربے کی بھی کم سے کم مقدار ، دائیں اور حاملہ ہوجائیں گی۔ لہذا آپ کی زرخیزی کے ارد گرد موجو ، صحتمند بچوں کی پرورش اور ان کی پرورش کرنے کی اہلیت ، بغیر کیٹی۔ ایسا کرنے کا ایک طریقہ ہے کہ آپ اپنا جسم لیں اور اپنے دانت کھوئے اور اپنے بالوں کو کھوئے ، ٹھیک ہے؟ لیکن ایسا کرنے کے ل you ، جس طرح سے آپ صحتمند اور مستحکم کہتے ہیں ، جانوروں کے پروٹین صرف انتہائی اہم دکھائی دیتے ہیں۔

ایک اور ٹکڑا ، میں بھی ، کال کرنا چاہتا ہوں ، یہ صرف پروٹین پیریڈ ہی نہیں ہے ، ٹھیک ہے؟ میں نے جو کچھ حال ہی میں سیکھا ، وہ آپ کے ل just حیرت انگیز ہے کہ آپ گلوٹاٹھیون نکالنے کی صلاحیت ہے جو آپ کو معلوم ہے ، جسم کا ماسٹر امینو ایسڈ… آپ شاید مجھ سے اس کے بارے میں بہت کچھ جانتے ہو ، کیٹی۔ لیکن صحت اور صحت کے ل gl گلوٹاتھائن انتہائی اہم ہے۔ اور بنیادی طور پر ، یہ ایک وجہ ہے کہ ہم گوشت کھاتے ہیں ، ٹھیک ہے؟ اب ، آپ جس پتلی پٹھوں کو کھاتے ہیں اس میں اس گلوٹاتھائن کو میٹابولائز کرنے کی صلاحیت دراصل ہے… آپ کے ہضم کرنے کی صلاحیت میں شرح کو محدود کرنے والا جز ہے ، جس کا تعلق کولیجن پروٹین کی دستیابی سے ہے۔

لہذا اگر آپ صرف دبلے پتلے پٹھوں کو کھا رہے ہیں اور اسٹویوز اور بریزز اور ہڈیوں کے شوربے کی طرح پیٹو ٹشو نہیں کھارہے ہیں تو ، آپ واقعی میں تغذیہ بخش چیز نہیں نکال پائیں گے۔ ٹھیک ہے؟ اس طرح کی ایک اور قسم ہے… میں اسے تقریبا almost اسی طرح سے پکارتا ہوں… یہ سبزی خوروں کی ایک قسم ہے جہاں آپ کی طرح ہوتی ہے ، “آہ ، مجھے تکلیف ہورہی ہے ، لہذا میں بغیر ہڈی کے بغیر چکن کے چھاتی کی طرح کھانا شروع کروں گا۔” ٹھیک ہے ، یہ دراصل آپ کے جسم پر کوئی احسان نہیں کر رہا ہے۔ لہذا اگر ہم گوشت کھانے کے بارے میں بات کر رہے ہیں تو ، ہم گوشت کے دوسرے موجو تک بھی رسائی حاصل کرنے کے بارے میں بات کر رہے ہیں ، جو ہڈیوں کا شوربہ ، بریکز ، جوڑنے والا ٹشو ہے۔ مجھے یقین نہیں ہے کہ میرو اور جگر آپ کا جام ہے ، لیکن حیرت کی بات ہوگی کہ اگر وہ ہوسکتے ہیں۔ ٹھیک ہے؟

لیکن میں سمجھتا ہوں کہ اڈہ کم از کم کچھ کولیجن سے بھرپور کنیکٹیو ٹشو سے بھرپور کھانے کی چیزیں حاصل کر رہا ہے ، اور آپ کولیجن پاؤڈر بھی لے سکتے ہیں ، جو عام طور پر جانوروں کے چھپانے سے تیار کیا جاتا ہے۔ لہذا کولیجن پاؤڈر تجارتی طور پر دستیاب ہے ، اسے چھپانے سے نکالا جاتا ہے۔ آپ جانتے ہو ، یہ ایک جانور کا ذریعہ ہے۔ عام طور پر ، آپ جو چیزیں اس کی فطری شکل میں کھا رہے ہیں اس کے ل your آپ کے جسم کو مربوط اور میٹابولائز کرنا آسان ہے۔ لہذا میں آپ کو بالکل ایسا مشورہ دوں گا ، اگر آپ خاص طور پر ارورتا بچے پیدا کرنے کی طرف دیکھ رہے ہو ، جیسے کولیجن سے بھرپور ہڈیوں کے شوربے یا سوپ ، نیز آپ کے مرغی کے سینوں یا آپ کے نیو یارک اسٹیک یا سور کا گوشت یا آپ کے پاس ہونے والا گوشت جو آپ کا کلاسک جیسا ، دبلی پتلی عضلاتی ہے۔

میرے لئے بھی میرے دوسرے بچے کے بعد ، میں نے پہلے کی نسبت اس سے کہیں زیادہ تیز ہڈیوں کے شوربے پر عمل کیا تھا۔ کیونکہ ہم نے واقعی اپنے دفتر کے ساتھ ہی ایک بیلکمپو ریسٹورنٹ کھولا اور میں نے ایک دن میں ہڈیوں کے شوربے کا ایک چوتھائی حصہ پینا شروع کردیا۔ کیونکہ میری کمپنی میں میری پالیسی ہے ، ہر ملازم کو ہڈیوں کے شوربے کا ایک بڑا کپ ہر دن مفت ملتا ہے۔ تو میں پسند کرتا ہوں ، “ٹھیک ہے ، میں اس کے لئے سائن اپ کروں گا۔” لہذا میں اسے اپنے ناظرین کے لئے زیادہ تیار کر رہا تھا ، اپنے لئے کم ، دن میں ایک چوتھائی پینا شروع کیا اور بڑے پیمانے پر تبدیلیاں کی۔ چار سالوں میں دو بچوں کو دودھ پلانے کے بعد جب میری چھاتی کے ٹشو واپس آ رہے ہیں تو ، میں دو کپ سائز نیچے چلا گیا تھا۔ اور صرف ڈیڑھ ماہ کے اندر ہی اس کولیجن سے بھرپور ، میں اپنے پری بی بی ایک کپ سائز میں واپس آگیا۔ اس کے باوجود ، آپ جانتے ہو ، اس معمول کی طرح وزن میں کمی ، وزن میں اتار چڑھاو ، آپ کا پورا جسم گھوم رہا ہے۔

لیکن میں نے بھی بہت کچھ حاصل کرنا شروع کر دیا… جیسے جیسے میری جلد کی جلد میں بہتری ، آپ کو معلوم ہے ، میرے چہرے میں جمنے کی طرح اچھا ہے کہ اس کے باوجود ، آپ جانتے ہو ، بچے کا وزن کم کرنا چاہتے ہیں۔ لہذا اس کولیجن کے ساتھ ساتھ میں اسے خوبصورتی کے جوس کی طرح بھی سوچتا ہوں کیونکہ یہ ایک طرح کا ہو جاتا ہے… یہ آپ کے بالوں ، جلد ، ناخن ، سینوں کے لئے بہت اچھا ہے ، خاص طور پر ہر طرح کے جسم کے ساتھ ، صرف جسم کی تباہی ہوتی ہے جو ولادت سے ہوتی ہے اور دودھ پلانا۔

کیٹی: بالکل۔ اور مجھے لگتا ہے کہ یہ ایک اور اہم امتیاز ہے جس کے بارے میں ہم جدید دنیا میں کافی بات نہیں کرتے ہیں وہ یہ ہے کہ بیشتر تاریخ کے لئے ، ہم نے سب جانور کھایا ، ہم نے اس میں سے ہر ایک کا استعمال کیا۔ ہم نے ہڈیوں کا شوربہ بنا دیا جیسے آپ کی بات ہو۔ اور یہ وہ چیز ہے جو بدل گئی ہے۔ ہم نے زیادہ تر تاریخ کے لئے ، صرف گراؤنڈ بیف اور چکن کا چھاتی نہیں کھایا تھا۔ مجھے کتاب “نیوٹریشن” پسند ہے ، وہ واقعتا اس کے بارے میں بات کرتی ہے اور اس قسم کو حاصل کرنا کتنا اہم ہے اور خاص طور پر ان مختلف قسم کے امینو ایسڈ جو شوربے میں ہیں پٹھوں کے گوشت کو متوازن بنانا ہے۔ اور مجھے لگتا ہے کہ ، آپ کی بات ٹھیک ہے ، دوسرا ٹکڑا جسے لوگ واقعتا، یاد کرتے ہیں۔

اور یہ بھی ، معیار کے نوٹ پر ، یہ نوٹ کرنا ضروری ہے کہ جب لوگ ان مطالعات کا حوالہ دینا شروع کردیں کہ گوشت صحت کے لئے کیوں اچھا نہیں ہوسکتا ہے ، یا لوگ ان تبدیلیوں کو دیکھ رہے ہیں ، تو یہ مطالعات گوشت کے معیار کی بنیاد پر بالکل الگ نہیں ہو رہے ہیں ، وہ ‘ ہم صرف روایتی گوشت کا استعمال کرتے ہیں ، جس کی ہم نے ابھی وضاحت کی ہے کہ اس میں یہ ساری خراب چیزیں ہیں جو لوگ اس طرح سوچتے ہیں ، “اوہ ، ٹھیک ہے ، میں ہارمونز نہیں دیکھ سکتا ، میں اینٹی بائیوٹک نہیں دیکھ سکتا ، لہذا میں اس کی فکر کرنے والا نہیں ہوں۔ اور یہ ہمیشہ ہی میرے ذہن کو چکرا دیتا ہے کیونکہ لوگ ایک موٹرین لیں گے ، جو یہ چھوٹی سی گولی ہے اور توقع کرتی ہے کہ اس سے ان کا یہ بہت بڑا اثر پڑے گا۔ اور پھر گوشت میں اتنی ہی مقدار کو نظرانداز کریں ، اور پھر سوچیں کہ یہ بالکل ٹھیک ہے۔ اور اس طرح میں سوچتا ہوں کہ جب معیار کی بات ہو تو وہ گمشدہ چابی ہے۔

گیئرز کو تھوڑا سا تبدیل کرنے کے لئے ، اگرچہ ، مجھے لگتا ہے کہ یہ واقعی اہم ہے کہ ہم ماحولیاتی پہلو میں بھی آجائیں کیونکہ مجھے یقین ہے کہ آپ مجھ سے بھی زیادہ واقف ہیں ، تمام پریس اور تشہیر ، حال ہی میں آب و ہوا کے لئے گوشت کے طریقوں کو مورد الزام ٹھہراتے ہیں۔ تبدیل کریں ، اور دنیا میں چل رہی بہت سی چیزوں کے ل.۔ اور یہ کہتے ہوئے کہ جانوروں کو خوراک کے لئے پالنا آب و ہوا کے لئے واقعی خراب ہے اور ماحول کے لئے بھی برا ہے۔ اور میں ذاتی طور پر بہت مختلف نظریہ اپناتا ہوں ، تھوڑا سا جاننے کے بعد میں پنرجیویت زراعت کے بارے میں جانتا ہوں اور نیم زراعت میں اور ہمارے پورے ماحولیاتی نظام میں جانوروں کے کردار کے بارے میں جانتا ہوں۔ لیکن میں جانتا ہوں کہ آپ اس سے پہلے کے نقطہ نظر اور علم کے مقام سے زیادہ بات کرسکتے ہیں۔ تو آئیے ، ماحولیاتی انتظام میں جانوروں کی پرورش کے کردار کے بارے میں بات کرتے ہیں۔

انیا: لہذا ناممکن فوڈز اور گوشت سے پرے گوشت جیسی کمپنیوں نے گائے کے گوشت کے کاربن اثرات کے بارے میں جو ڈیٹا پیش کیا ہے وہ 100٪ درست ہے۔ ٹھیک ہے؟ روایتی گائے کا گوشت ماحول کے لئے خوفناک ہوتا ہے۔ میں یہ واضح کرنا چاہتا ہوں کہ میں ان کے اعداد و شمار سے قطعی مخالفت نہیں کر رہا ہوں۔ وہ جو چیز آپ کو بطور صارف نہیں بتا رہے ہیں وہ یہ ہے کہ تمام شیر خوار پرجاتیوں اور ہر قسم کے مویشیوں میں گائے کا گوشت پیدا کرنے کا ایک مختلف طریقہ ہے جو کاربن اثر مثبت ہے۔ اور یہ وہ طریقہ ہے جس میں گائے کا گوشت اور دیگر شیر خوار ہزاروں سال پیدا ہو رہے ہیں۔ اور یہ انھیں نو تخلیقی طریقوں سے پروان چڑھا رہا ہے۔

لہذا ہمارے فارم بیلکمپو میں ، ہم شمالی کیلیفورنیا میں 27،000 ایکڑ پر کھیت لگاتے ہیں۔ اور ہمارا فارم کاربن اثر مثبت کے طور پر دستاویزی طور پر تیسرا فریق رہا ہے۔ اس کا مطلب یہ ہے کہ ہمارے طریق کار دراصل مٹی میں کاربن کی کثافت میں اضافہ کرتے ہیں۔ اور یہ جاننے کے ل that کہ یہ کیسے روایتی نظام سے مختلف ہے ، یہ ایک لمبی کہانی ہے۔

لیکن میں یہ کہوں گا ، مختصرا، ، روایتی گائے کا گوشت ، آپ جانوروں کی فصلوں کو کھلا رہے ہو جو آپ نے مٹی تک کاشت کرکے اٹھایا ہے ، اسے کھودنے کے لئے ، مکئی یا گندم جیسے بہت زیادہ غذائی اجزاء والا کھانا لگا کر۔ اور پھر بہت سارے نائٹروجن کا استعمال کرتے ہوئے اور کس طرح اس کی پرورش ہوتی ہے ، اور اس کی کٹائی ہوتی ہے اور اسے جاری رکھنے تک ، اسے ایک گائے کے پاس لایا جاتا ہے جو سیمنٹ پر ہے جس میں کثافت ہے ، جیسے آپ جانتے ہو کہ ان کھانوں میں سینکڑوں جانور اور پھر اسے اس میں کھلاتے ہیں بہت سی دوسری گھٹیا قیدیوں کے ساتھ قید۔ جیسے ، آپ جانتے ہو ، اسکاٹلس کینڈی ، اور چورا ، اور پلاسٹک کی مونڈیاں روایتی گائے کے کھانے میں استعمال ہوتی ہیں۔ آپ اس چیز کو گوگل کرسکتے ہیں اور اس کے بارے میں دیکھ سکتے ہیں۔

تو یہ روایتی نظام ہے۔ وہ اپنی زیادہ تر زندگی گھاس کھانے ، گھاس کے قریب ، گھاس پر نہیں ہیں۔ اگرچہ بچھڑا ، ٹھیک ہے جب اس کی پیدائش ہوتی ہے… ان میں سے بہت سے گائے کا بچھڑا عمل امبر گھاس پر ہوتا ہے۔ تو پہلے چھ مہینوں کے لئے ، وہ باہر ہوسکتے ہیں لیکن پھر اپنی باقی زندگی کے لئے ، وہ جانوروں کے وزن میں اضافے کے اس تناظر میں قید ہیں۔

جانوروں کے وزن میں اضافہ نائٹروجن انتہائی وسائل اور وسائل سے متعلق فصل پر مبنی ہے۔ سبسڈی کے نظام کی وجہ سے گائےوں کو اتنا مہنگا کھانا کھانا کھانا کیوں سمجھتا ہے؟ لہذا ان فصلوں کو اتنے موثر طریقے سے سبسڈی دی جاتی ہے ، ہم سستے گوشت تک مہنگا کھانا کھلاسکتے ہیں۔ یہی ہے. اور یہ کل جعلی معیشت ہے۔

ہمارا سسٹم ساتھ ہی امریکہ اور پوری دنیا میں بہت سے دوسرے نو تخلیق چھوٹے چھوٹے فارموں کے ساتھ ، ہم بارہماسی چراگاہوں پر گائے کا گوشت پال رہے ہیں۔ تو ہمیں گھاس کی سیکڑوں اقسام کے ساتھ گھاس کے میدان مل گئے ہیں۔ ہم ان تک نہیں کرتے ، ہم کبھی بھی مٹی کو درہم برہم نہیں کرتے ہیں۔ ان گھاسوں میں جڑ کے نظام موجود ہیں جو 30 فٹ گہرے ہیں ، ٹھیک ہے ، اسی طرح سے وہ کاربن کو الگ کرتے ہیں۔ جانور کم کثافت والے ہیں اور وہ چراگاہ سے چراگاہ میں منتقل ہوگئے ہیں۔ They don’t spend a whole season on one pasture, getting it muddy, right, and turning it into basically just kind of dirt. We move them from pasture to pasture. They eat a little bit, they move to another pasture. And then animals are brought back to that first pasture after a break of two or three weeks to recover.

So that’s more like mimicking a typical migratory pattern of how ruminants evolve, right? They would evolve by walking through a field and eating some stuff and then keep on moving. They drop a little bit of their manure, they till the earth a bit with their hooves. But you’re not talking about 1,000 beef all dumping manure onto an acre and then it being left kind of devastated. So you’re talking about a low-density use. So we mimic a natural migratory pattern for the animals and we do it on perennial pastures. And we’re not the only ones doing this, I mean, literally, there’s hundreds of regenerative livestock branches around the U.S. And they’re all practicing this and they’re all carbon positive. They’re just not very many of them. We’re less than 1% of the beef supply system.

But we’re actually…we’ve been tracking our carbon in our own farm using a third-party research group for five years now. And in that five-year period, we have increased the carbon density in our own soil, which is just something, you know, beyond proud of.

Katie: That’s amazing. And that has a long-term environmental positive effect as well. And I think that’s another just important correlation for people to understand, it’s just like the quality of the meat matters so much when we’re gonna consume it. It also really, really matters for the planet. And to compare regenerative agriculture and how beef is raised in that environment with feedlot, it’s like you’re comparing entirely separate…like they’re not even on the same playing field.

Anya: It’s like saying, oh, for me to get to work is X pounds of carbon, sometimes I take a helicopter to work and sometimes I walk to work, but it’s X carbon. Like that’s how…it’s like conflating two totally different things with totally different impacts. Helicopter versus walking. That’s the feedlot beef versus, you know, the regenerative beef. And it kind of kills me when I see the stats and I see people just bashing, you know, meat, “You’re killing the environment,” and then all those little pictures of the gallons of water and I’m like, “Damn, we don’t use one gallon of water.”

Like we have like rain that fills catchment ponds. I mean, there’s some stock water. But you know, it’s so minimal. There’s actually not even stock water usually, the animals are just drinking out of puddles out there in the fields, you know, and streams, right?

So it’s such a different environment, it kind of drives me crazy. But I’m happy, like I’m happy because I see people starting to pay attention. I feel like the whole movement of the alternative, like the fake meat, the highly processed vegetable meat, those guys are pulling aside the curtain a little bit, and they’re showing consumers just how bad things are. So I feel super grateful for those products existing. I feel like we’re kind of fighting the same fight in some ways, you know.

But I think that many of those consumers for the first time have their, like, the light switch gets flipped on where they’re like, “Wait, what the heck is going on? What am I eating” and they just really hadn’t thought because they’re like, “Well, I shop at X grocery store. It’s not the worst grocery store.” So they probably use better stuff and they don’t realize that it’s all bad, unless it’s really expensive and really different, you know. So it’s been useful, I think, in the broader education. It’s really not true about all beef, however.

Katie: Yeah, such an important distinction. And I’m glad you brought up these alternative meats that have gotten so popular and certainly have been extremely highly funded and publicized. Because to me, that brings up two things. You’re right. It’s shedding light on some really important stuff that we definitely all need to be aware of and to kind of unite around fixing both for ourselves and for the planet.

But also, it always is ironic to me of like, if humans didn’t have a need for meat, if we were supposed to be vegetarian, why do we need to spend so much time and money trying to make plants tastes exactly like meat if we don’t have a need for that. I think, you know, it’s an indicator that we actually are hardwired to need these kind of proteins, especially at certain phases of life, like we talked about, or for kids when they’re growing.

And like I said, multiple times, it goes back to at the end of the day, for both the planet, for ourselves, for all of it, for the animals, certainly, it’s all about the quality and how they’re raised. And so I love that there are practices like you guys that are really revolutionizing and getting back to kind of how it’s always supposed to have been done when it comes to that.

Anya: Yeah, that’s a great perspective that the Beyond Meat and Impossible exist because there is that kind of craving. I too I’m really perplexed by the need to make vegetables look like meat and the kind of genetically modified hyper-complicated processes that go into them. It seems like every time there’s kind of like radical innovation and something that is sort of too good to be true and fake and magical. It’s like, well, margarine and asbestos and like, there’s lots of like oh, yeah what was that crazy fat that you couldn’t digest and so you’d eat all chips you wanted? You know, those things, they tend to have a pretty short life cycle.

But it is interesting the amount of…like its appeal to almost like it’s captured the popular imagination in certain ways. Because the idea as well that you can kind of have limitless meat kind of for free with no need for processing an animal or the responsibility of an animal dying. Yeah, that would be an amazing solution were it not as fraught with challenges as it really is.

Katie: Exactly.

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Katie: And I wanna talk about the kid aspect a little bit more as well. Because, like from nutritionally, kids have a higher protein demand per pound of body weight than adults do, and especially during phases like when they’re in puberty or any kind of growth spurt, they need a certain amount of protein. And that’s really, really vital for them to function optimally. I also know as a mom, and I’m sure you can probably relate to this. Kids don’t always necessarily want to eat what you want them to eat.

And so realizing this and realizing that like this is really important for our kids, do you have any tricks as a mom or as a business owner in this industry, for helping kids be introduced to these kind of things and getting them to like it? Because like, in my house, for instance, bone broth is pretty much the first food for all my babies with the understanding that babies naturally have a semi-permeable gut. And this is really important, actually, because when babies are breastfeeding, that’s how a lot of stuff can transfer through. And they can develop their immune system this way, and it’s a wonderful design.

But because of that, you maybe don’t wanna put some foods that can be slightly inflammatory as the first other food they get in their gut. And so I always start with bone broth, because of its ability to soothe the gut. But I’m curious how you have integrated and when meat products with your kids and if you have any tips for that?

Anya: So I’m pretty radical on this front, I mean I ate raw meat with actually both my kids for too long with bone broth. And my kids to this day love raw meat, and love marrow, and love liver, and heart. It has to do with availability. But I also think, Katie, it has to do with it tasting really good. You know, I don’t think my kids would like liver if they were eating… I don’t know what kind of liver you can buy at the standard American grocery store, but it can’t be very good. It’s probably old and frozen.

So getting really delicious, fresh product is the first thing. I think that the kids have a natural ability to taste health, you know, they’re more in touch. I think in pregnancy, we as women have a little bit of that taste where we start to taste what we need. You know, and cravings, we talk about cravings as like this sort of crazy thing. But cravings actually, if we’re really eating intuitively, we should have them all the time and they’re very healthy for us, you know. And kids have those cravings too. And they actually listen to them more, you know, like that demand that they have where they’re like, “I’m really hungry right now. I really wanna eat a lot of that one thing.” Like they’re more in touch with that.

So my approach with my kids has been to really make them delicious food and super high-quality proteins. And you know, my daughter at seven can eat like six drumsticks. We eat a lot of meat and she loves it. My son is a little bit more of a carb lover, but also will just eat every type of meat. And I don’t have a good… It’s such a battlefield on this, you know, you don’t wanna judge other people’s choices. And also, there’s just… I live in a very, like, luxurious context where I have access to this really high-quality protein, you know, so I don’t know what I would do if I didn’t have that.

But in my own home for my kids, my major goals as a mom are to cook them breakfast every day and to cook them dinner for the most days, and to have their lunch be homemade leftovers. That’s what I try to get to. And I achieve it, you know, we have like three things that we make for breakfast and it’s always from scratch. Dinners, we do a lot of different things. I also have no refined carbohydrates snacks around my house at all. And I found… And I also don’t… This is gonna sound a little crazy, but I don’t carry snacks for my kids. You know, the pinch will throw a banana or an apple in a bag, you know, but I don’t carry boxes of raisins, or bags of goldfish, or any bags of Cheerios, or anything. And that’s in part because we don’t do any refined carbs.

But it’s also just by doing that I find that they’re… I think a lot of the reason that kids are picky is that they don’t experience being hungry. And so I like to be sitting down for dinner and the kids are like, “Oh my god, I wanna eat dinner.” If I’ve been feeding them snacks all day, they’re not gonna enjoy dinner in the same way.

So I really believe in very minimal…and we always have big bowls of fruit around. They can always have milk and water, you know, it’s not like there’s no snacks for them. But I don’t make snacking available and I find that they may eat with a lot more enthusiasm and they’re more open to trying more things, than on those days when they’ve been at playdates, or at, you know, the little like daycare center that I drop them off sometimes where they get fed goldfish all day, then they’re just not really hungry for dinner.

Katie: I am 100% in alignment with you on that. I always say hunger is an incredible teacher. And I think you’re right, kids are much more likely to try new foods when they have natural hunger. And it’s great for kids to experience hunger and to learn to eat when they’re hungry. And we’re the same where we don’t have refined carbs or sugar in our house because there’s no biological need for those. I mean, carbohydrates certainly eat some fruit, eat some sweet potatoes, but we don’t have a need for refined food at all or for refined sugar at all. So I know that sounds extreme to a lot of people.

But like you, I’m not the mom who’s like Uber controlling my kid’s diets when they’re not in my house. If they go to a friend’s house and they wanna make a choice, it’s 100% their choice to make. But in our house where I’m responsible for the food, I’m gonna have really high quality, nutrient-dense food, and that’s what I’m gonna feed them. And I think that’s an important metric that you don’t have to take…like, it’s not that you’ll never gonna eat these foods, but in my house, I’m certainly not gonna have them.

Anya: I also find too when we do make cookies, I’m like, “Eat all you want.” You know, like, I never wanna have there be guidelines around things like have… There are only cookies like once a month, you know, or twice a month. Maybe we’ll make them with coconut sugar and really good chocolate and they’re like, so delicious. But if my kids wanna eat 10, they will, but the thing is that now that they’re…they self-regulate well. They’ll have two and then they’ll want one the next day, you know. So it’s like I really try to have it be like when we do have something that’s like a little bit different or sweeter, knock yourself out, you know, and go crazy.

I just never wanna have the sense of like… You know, I think you have a big bucket of pretzels, a big bucket of goldfish, I’ve seen this in friends’ places and it’s like this constant thing of like not now and you’re constantly regulating it. And it’s actually a source of anxiety and stress in the home, you know, to have like these sort of like limitless bad foods available. And the same anything goes on Halloween candy, I’m like, “Get it all, eat all you want, make yourself sick,” and then a day later, I’m tossing it all out. It’s like go crazy while it’s there. So I don’t wanna have to be the food police, you know. I wanna teach my kids a natural appetite.

Another thing that I’ve noticed, too, is that the whole act of preparing foods with my kids has helped them appreciate home cooking more, you know. So involving them, like they make the pancake batter, this morning we made waffles and they do it together. They really enjoy. I mean, it’s sort of a no brainer. But one of the upsides of cooking from scratch is that it’s more fun for the kids, you know, there’s more parts and pieces. And what we do in our house is I have everything organized like in baskets. So it’s like a little basket with vanilla and baking soda and baking powder, and then the flour is in a tub. So I make it easy for them to get the parts and to participate in that, which they really enjoy.

But it’s hard to… You know, I was so afraid, Katie, when I had my, especially with my first, it was like, my terror that I’m gonna have a picky child. And then my daughter ate everything, it was amazing. And when she was probably three, I did my first like mom date with her best friend’s at the time, her mom and we went to a pizza restaurant and, you know, we got the pizzas. And then this mom brought out like four containers and one had watermelon chunks, and one had goldfish, and one had cheese sticks and one had like apple slices and I was like, “What’s going on here?” And she goes, “Oh, you know, so this child, she’s really picky and so I have to bring this or else she won’t eat.” And I’m like, okay, I felt empathy for her. But I also felt so relieved because I realized, oh, I’m never gonna have a picky eater.

And I completely get that there are some picky eaters that are born that way or may be allergy related. But I think by giving our children limitless choice… I mean, imagine if you went to work every day and sitting on your desk was like, all of your favorite foods, right, that were prepared for you with love. And they were there all day long. I mean, I’d gain 20 pounds in a week, you know, so would you. It’s not feasible to have people offering us our favorite, most highly processed delicious things all the time that we want, you know.

In this case, the mom was doing her best job and brought things that were pretty healthy and fresh, but it’s still meant that the daughter didn’t have to eat the pizza and try something new. Didn’t have to try the pasta and she could go on and say, “I only eat watermelon cubes.” You know, it can be a choice. And I just encourage people to let the child experience a little hunger, let them experience a little delight and joy with finding something that they do like. And that hunger also teaches cravings and teaches the concept of satiety, you know?

Katie: Exactly. Yeah, I think you nailed it. I think that’s such an important point and such a great point to start. And I can’t believe our time is flying by so quickly, but I wanna make sure we talk a little bit more about your farm, and also all your restaurants, and just all the amazing innovative stuff you guys are doing. So kind of give us a roundup of what the farms are like, how many cattle you have, and then what the restaurants are like?

Anya: Absolutely. So our farm is just shy of 30,000 acres in Northern California. It’s all organic certified. We have 3,000 beef, about 2,000 lambs, 2,000 pigs. And we produce about 50,000 chickens every year along with goose, duck, and turkey in smaller quantities. All of our meats are sold through our own channels, which we have six restaurants, butcher shops, one in New York and five in California. We also sell through select retail partners. So currently we’re selling through Erewhon, which is a great grocery store in Southern California. We’re expanding right now with grocery partners in Northern California and New York. So we’re looking to be in probably 100 stores by this time next year with all of our meats as well.

We also sell on belcampo.com direct from our own slaughterhouse. We have our own USDA slaughterhouse adjacent to our farm that’s certified humane and certified organic meat processing plant. And so we sell at belcampo.com, you can go online and it gets shipped to you directly from our meat plant in Yreka, California. Or you can go to williamsonoma.com and they sell some really awesome like gifting bundles as well as Belcampo.

But our claim to fame is I’d say we’re the first and only truly vertically integrated farm to table meat operation with animal wellness as its core. I consider Belcampo fundamentally an animal wellness company providing optimally healthy meats in support of optimal human nutrition. And really, you know, the why of it in all this complexity, man, we’ve built something insanely complex that’s also fun. You know, like this Christmas, I’m launching a line of animal fat-based moisturizer, and in beer bone and things that are… I actually developed this line when I was pregnant with my second and got kind of freaked out by the creams and things that I use and started to make my own using animal fat and now we’re selling them.

So we can do neat little line extensions like that, because of having the whole animal. But you know, we started from a ranch in 2012. And the idea was like, great, how do we get this product to the consumer in a way that honors it through the whole supply chain? And we can’t ship it to a massive consolidated slaughterhouse, you know, where thousands of animals are killed in an hour. There’s no traceability, there’s the animal handling processes are inhumane. So that was okay, let’s build a slaughterhouse. And then how do we get it into retail? And it’s, build a restaurant, so let’s give people a completely own supply chain so they can have absolute comfort in the quality of this product.

And it’s been so cool too, you know, we’re best burger in LA from “LA Magazine,” best in SF from “SF Magazine.” Like we’ve been winning on taste for years. And that’s sort of been the neat upside. You know, we started this around wellness and doing the right thing. And then wow, you do the right thing for the environment, for people, for animals, and it tastes a heck of a lot better. So that was a nice kind of like, positive upside of it, that our meat is consistently renowned for just tasting really awesome.

Katie: I can vouch for that. I’ve been to the LA restaurant and the burger is amazing, so is the steak. Definitely wanna get back and try a lot more things. But I’ll make sure that links to all of your websites are in the show notes. So if you guys are in or near any of those places, you can find the restaurants or you can go to the website.

Anya: Yeah, I’ll hook you up with a discount code for your audience as well.

Katie: Amazing. So yeah, you guys check the show notes at wellnessmama.fm for that discount code, and I’ll also post it on social media. But yeah, I can definitely vouch for the quality, it’s amazing and delicious. And I love that it’s run by a female founder and mom who is just really pioneering in this world. I think it’s incredible. Selfishly, there’s another question I love to ask toward the end of interviews because I’m always looking for new book ideas. And that is if there’s a book or number of books that have really impacted your life. If so, what are they and why?

Anya: First book would be “On Food and Cooking” by Harold McGee. It’s an oldie but goodie, published in the ’80s. And it was the first book that really got me thinking about the science of food and the microbiology of nutrition and food. So it’s “On Food and Cooking” by Harold McGee. And then Fergus Henderson’s book “River Cottage Meat Book” is amazing. And talking about just grass-fed operations and how different they are. That’s a really amazing introduction to free-range everything.

On the other side, there’s an incredible book called “The Meat Racket.” Racket like a tennis racket, “Meat Racket.” And that’s about the whole environmental and economic system around how Tyson farms its chickens. And what I learned from that is just how involved the USDA is from a financing perspective with all these farms. And also, that these confinement operations are almost exclusively now run by Southeast Asian immigrants who are really locked in to a lose-lose situation from an economic perspective with, you know, in over their heads with debt, owing money to Tyson and only having one client, was also Tyson.

So it was amazing to me just thinking about the kind of…the bad tentacles of the conventional operations. It just gave me a sense of, wow, this isn’t just about animals, this is human wellness and human stability is being threatened by the confinement system. So if anybody wants a real downer, I recommend the “The Meat Racket.” It’s pretty depressing, but it’s also just like kind of blew my mind to read about how the system actually works.

Katie: Love it. I will make sure all of those are linked in the show notes as well. I think this has been such a fun episode and such an important topic. And I love, like I said, multiple times, I love that you are providing such quality products and education. I think this is a really important topic, especially for moms and children. And I love that you are leading the way for this. So thank you so much for all your work, and for your time, and being here today.

Anya: You know, it all depends on people like you making a different choice, you know. I can offer the different choice, but people have to make a choice. So I’m just really grateful that you’re using your platform to support me being able to share my story and what we’re trying to do.

Katie: I love it. Well, thank you again for your time. And thanks to all of you for listening and sharing one of your most valuable resources, your time, with us today. We’re both so grateful that you did. And I hope that you will join me again on the next episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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